Katleesi Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 If Ser Jorah shows up on Dragonstone while Jon is hanging about with Longclaw, does Jon give the sword to Jorah? Jon needs Valerian steel to fight walkers, but he's too MF honorable, and knows it's a Mormont sword. On the other hand, he didn't offer it up to Lady Mormont, who probably deserves it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elder brother jonothor dar Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I just realised that long claw is just as apt a name for a bear direwolf or dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 No, he won't and Jorah won't bring it up either. That Jeor Mormont gifted Jon an ancient family heirloom makes zero sense in both the show and the books. But that's what happened because it was important for Jon to get a special sword as part of his hero's journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Pecan said: No, he won't and Jorah won't bring it up either. That Jeor Mormont gifted Jon an ancient family heirloom makes zero sense in both the show and the books. But that's what happened because it was important for Jon to get a special sword as part of his hero's journey. Uh.. it makes perfect sense. Jeor Mormont was a very honorable man who took the black in Jorah's place since Jorah fled Westeros. Jon saved him from wights so as a sign of appreciation he gave the sword to Jon. Makes sense to me. What I don't get is why Jeor brought the sword with him to the wall in the first place. If Ned had taken the black back in book 1, would he have brought Ice? Seems like he probably would have left it at Winterfell. Maybe for Jeor, since he was paying for his son's sins, he brought Longclaw as additional cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerDuncanTheShort Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Preston Jacobs is usually a bit too critical of the show for my liking(although it can be really funny!), but I like his prediction for this: Jon: Oh by the way do you want your sword back? Jorah: Nah you can keep it. Jon: Okay cool let's never bring this up again.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjlxking Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It is Jons. Good luck taking it from him. Dude is considered as a legend in the north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 40 minutes ago, xjlxking said: It is Jons. Good luck taking it from him. Dude is considered as a legend in the north Rising from the dead has a tendency of doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeuva Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Lurid Jester said: Uh.. it makes perfect sense. Jeor Mormont was a very honorable man who took the black in Jorah's place since Jorah fled Westeros. Jon saved him from wights so as a sign of appreciation he gave the sword to Jon. Makes sense to me. What I don't get is why Jeor brought the sword with him to the wall in the first place. If Ned had taken the black back in book 1, would he have brought Ice? Seems like he probably would have left it at Winterfell. Maybe for Jeor, since he was paying for his son's sins, he brought Longclaw as additional cost? That part you spoke of makes sense. The part that doesn't really make sense is why Jeor, upon leaving to go to the wall to take the black, would take his family's heirloom sword with him. It was in his family's possession for generations, and he was leaving for the wall, forsaking his name/titles/possessions. Why did he take the sword, which by all accounts is more valuable than the entire worth of many houses? He should have left it in the Mormont family on Bear island, not taken it with him to the north. It's the Mormont family sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMachine Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 8/10/2017 at 6:49 PM, Katleesi said: If Ser Jorah shows up on Dragonstone while Jon is hanging about with Longclaw, does Jon give the sword to Jorah? Jon needs Valerian steel to fight walkers, but he's too MF honorable, and knows it's a Mormont sword. No. Jorah disgraced the family name and has no claim to it. As you stated the only person who has any type of claim would be Lady Mormon, but she would not ask as her father gave it to Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Greenleif Stark Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 50 minutes ago, mykeuva said: That part you spoke of makes sense. The part that doesn't really make sense is why Jeor, upon leaving to go to the wall to take the black, would take his family's heirloom sword with him. It was in his family's possession for generations, and he was leaving for the wall, forsaking his name/titles/possessions. Why did he take the sword, which by all accounts is more valuable than the entire worth of many houses? He should have left it in the Mormont family on Bear island, not taken it with him to the north. It's the Mormont family sword. He could take the Black, take the sword with him, when his watch is ended the Night's Watch sends the sword back to the Mormonts, not rocket science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheonGreyjoy Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 By all rights, Longclaw belongs to Jon. It was given to him by its previous owner and it is Jons to keep or to give away as he pleases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl7 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, TheonGreyjoy said: By all rights, Longclaw belongs to Jon. It was given to him by its previous owner and it is Jons to keep or to give away as he pleases It was Lord Mormont's decision to give it to Jon.. The Weserosi tradition would give it to Jorah, but Jeor chose Jon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallam Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 8/10/2017 at 6:49 PM, Katleesi said: If Ser Jorah shows up on Dragonstone while Jon is hanging about with Longclaw, does Jon give the sword to Jorah? Jon needs Valerian steel to fight walkers, but he's too MF honorable, and knows it's a Mormont sword. On the other hand, he didn't offer it up to Lady Mormont, who probably deserves it more. Oh dear, you are forgetting that Jon is the prince (or princess) who was promised. He will be getting a better sword soon enough. Also Jon has just captured Jamie who was carrying widow's wail which is the reforged remains of Ice. It is thus properly the property of house Stark. So Jon is going to have enough Valerian swords to start on a throne of them at this rate. The books make plain that there is a whole tradition round the swords and the great houses make great efforts to return them to their owners even after defeating them in battle. So it would probably be understood that Longclaw would return to its family on Jon's death. So giving it to him would not lose it from the family permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl7 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 51 minutes ago, hallam said: Oh dear, you are forgetting that Jon is the prince (or princess) who was promised. He will be getting a better sword soon enough. Also Jon has just captured Jamie who was carrying widow's wail which is the reforged remains of Ice. It is thus properly the property of house Stark. So Jon is going to have enough Valerian swords to start on a throne of them at this rate. The books make plain that there is a whole tradition round the swords and the great houses make great efforts to return them to their owners even after defeating them in battle. So it would probably be understood that Longclaw would return to its family on Jon's death. So giving it to him would not lose it from the family permanently. My dear friend who told you that Jon is the prince that was promised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elder brother jonothor dar Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 57 minutes ago, hallam said: The books make plain that there is a whole tradition round the swords and the great houses make great efforts to return them to their owners even after defeating them in battle. So it would probably be understood that Longclaw would return to its family on Jon's death. So giving it to him would not lose it from the family permanently. I always assumed Jon would have the blade returned on his death, same gos for Mormont, who incidentally did leave longclaw for his son, and only got it back after his exile, still a little odd it did not stay on bear island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gala Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, TheMachine said: No. Jorah disgraced the family name and has no claim to it. As you stated the only person who has any type of claim would be Lady Mormon, but she would not ask as her father gave it to Jon. Wasn't Jeor Lyanna Mormont's great-uncle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gala Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, the Greenleif Stark said: He could take the Black, take the sword with him, when his watch is ended the Night's Watch sends the sword back to the Mormonts, not rocket science Agree. NW surely is more honourable than Tywin Lannister was. That bastard didn't give back the Ice!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddard Scissorhands Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Jorah would not accept it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Baratheon Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Jorah leaving it behind indicates that he no longer has a claim to it and he understands why. It's Jon's sword now. I think it would be funny if Jorah looked at the sword and is like, "Hey! That looks a lot like my family's Valerian sword... oh! It has a little wolf on the pommel and not a bear. My mistake" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow is the man Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Well how would he know it was his sword? it isn't a very distinctive sword (except being valyrian steel but they are a few of those) except the white wolf pommel which wasn't on the sword because the original one melted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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