Jordan La Cabra Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 This game reminded me of last September when Chelsea lost 3-0 away to the Emirates. That game changed everything for Conte. It made him rethink his line up and go to his tried and tested three at the back. For some reason, I can't see this as being a 'catalyst for change' for Wenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, ljkeane said: Thierry Henry isn't putting his punches on Sky. This could start to get unpleasant at the Emirates if they're going to put in performances like this. It's already unpleasant. You can tell by how well the team has played recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan La Cabra Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 And so the Premier League halts and now international break begins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mme Erzulie Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 While Arsenal were poor, and Wenger's tactical decisions were odd, to say the least, that was a really good game by Liverpool. If you're gonna come out and play against this side, you better have something. Can was outstanding today, as was Gini. Salah could have had two or three more goals, but a goal and assist is pretty damn good. Mané was class, which we're almost starting to take for granted. Bobby superb, work rate, hold up play and incisiveness all impeccable. The weight on the pass for Mané's goal was tantalising. Hendo was great defensively, but should have scored at least one, and probably two. Back four didn't have much to do, but that's also a result of playing disciplined and with good positioning and pressing. Karius somehow managed to almost gift Arsenal not one, but two goals in a match where they had zero shots on goal. Generally more assured with field work and punching the ball than Mignolet, about whom all kinds of rumours are suddenly swirling. But maybe the backline looking assured against a normally very impressive attack has something to do with who's playing behind them? The best bit about these first few games is that we honestly don't seem to be missing Coutinho that badly. You can tell that (most of) the players have had a season and a half now of learning Klopp's playing style and tactics, and the interplay, give-and-gos and 1-2s always seem purposeful and instrumental in unlocking organised defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mme Erzulie Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, JordanJH1993 said: And so the Premier League halts and now international break begins... Pardon double post, but wanted to reply to this. So fucking annoying, and I feel a dreaded sense of deja-vu of going into an international break on great form and then having one or more pivotal players injured, messing up the team's rhythm and momentum. I look forward to when the World Cup Finals will inevitably include every nation in the world, eliminating the need for qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Suso is arguably Milans best player now imo. He is so good. Maybe he wouldn't have flourished if he had stayed at Liverpool but I always felt he was quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Damn, Asensio is an incredible talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 A defense of Karius, Gomez, Matip, Lovren and Moreno kept a clean sheet and prevented any shots on target at all. For shame, Arsenal, for shame. There's a lot more criticism of Arsenal than praise for Liverpool, which seems a bit harsh. Liverpool's performance today would have beaten almost anyone. That Arsenal team finished last season very strongly, that 3-4-3 formation was supposed to be a better fit for their players, and they had no significant players absences that I can think of other than Cazorla as a long term absentee (maybe Mertesacker, although he would have been destroyed by pace). Unfortunately for Arsenal, they don't know how to adapt their style to play against Klopp. Last season they used Giroud and Welbeck for a long outball against the press, but it didn't work. This time they kept in Welbeck for an outball and press and used WBs plus wide forwards to overload down the wings, but it didn't work. They aren't organized enough to sit deep against us, their attacking play isn't good enough to go end-to-end with us and their possession isn't quite slick enough to evade our press. They're good at lots of aspects of the game but can't dominate us in one aspect to take control of the game. We're a tough match-up for them, just like Atletico is for us. Aaron Ramsey (in Can's role) or Ox-C (in Gini's) would thrive in our midfield but they lack cover in Arsenal's and so look terrible. Xhaka, Coq and even Elneny are all specialist DMs but there's never the right balance to shield the defense so they become bystanders. Monreal, Bellerin (as a RB), Kos and Cech are man-for-man better players than Moreno, Gomez (as a RB), Lovren and Karius, but our attackers evaded their defensive shape with ease. Liverpool are just a more cohesive unit at the moment, and are using fast starts to get an early goal advantage so that they can counter-attack as the game wears on. If anything, we were annoyingly wasteful with our chances again but at least we scored four of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 44 minutes ago, Mark Antony said: Suso is arguably Milans best player now imo. He is so good. Maybe he wouldn't have flourished if he had stayed at Liverpool but I always felt he was quality. He was a quality player and I was disappointed when he left. But he might never have thrived in the faster and more physical PL environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Iskaral Pust said: Liverpool's performance today would have beaten almost anyone. It's hard to say that really. They did play really well, but Arsenal's setup and mentality were so badly suited to facing Liverpool specifically that it's basically impossible to say that they'd do it to any other team with any definitiveness. As you say, they're just particularly badly suited to facing you lot under Klopp, and were doubly so today, with Xhaka and Ramsey leaving huge gaps between them, Holding being unable to live with Mane whatsoever, Sanchez of form and Welbeck, probably the most commited attacking player in the starting lineup, not a finishing threat. Like, you've got Leicester coming up twice in September: I could see 'Pool approaching those two ties precisely as well as they did today and losing both the games. Because Leicester, conversely, are (being basically a budget Atletico) a team very well suited to facing Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teng Ai Hui Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Iskaral Pust said: A defense of Karius, Gomez, Matip, Lovren and Moreno kept a clean sheet and prevented any shots on target at all. For shame, Arsenal, for shame. For me, this part is more embarrassing than the shambolic defensive performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I was pleased with how well our midfield played today, and Salah had his best game yet (despite missing two very good chances), but considering we had a tough midweek game in Europe while Arsenal did not, we were a bit fortunate that it's early enough in the season that we didn't have to rotate much to keep players fresh. A month or two from now and I expect we'll need to rotate at least three or four outfield players from CL to PL or else run the risk of fatigue catching up with us. As it is, once we've reached the 65-70 minute region with a commanding lead (in both games this week), I'm yelling at Klopp to bring on Milner, Sturridge and Solanke for Can, Firmino and Sane. We need to learn our lesson from last year. Nice to see Grujic look composed during his cameo today. It was a very easy outing but I'd like to see him develop this season and we have League Cup games soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mme Erzulie Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 And for the first time in a long time, I'm excited to see what a team of our "kids" would look like. ----------------------------Ward-------------------------- Flanno---------Gomez-----------Klavan-----------TAA -----Woodburn-----------Grujic-----------Ejaria-------- Ings---------------------Solanke------------------Kent The team would probably include a couple of other oldies, but it's a pretty exciting line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 13 hours ago, Consigliere said: Damn, Asensio is an incredible talent. Yes, sensational. So good they cannot keep him out of the team really, makes me wonder what they do when Ronaldo returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, Calibandar said: Yes, sensational. So good they cannot keep him out of the team really, makes me wonder what they do when Ronaldo returns. Bale or Benzema will be dropped when Ronaldo gets back. While team sheets show Ronaldo on the left he doesn't actually play there anymore and hasn't for a while. He's a box player now. Last nights game showed just how important Ronaldo still is. Real played very well yet squandered alot of opportunities. Ronaldo is the one who consistently turns one point into three for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Liverpool have reportedly put in a club record bid for Thomas Lemar from Monaco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 If Liverpool sign Lemar Arsene should comit metaphorical seppuku on the spot. Unless he somehow persuades Asensio to sign, which seems unlikely. Is he really going to let this week go by without signing any midfielders though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, polishgenius said: If Liverpool sign Lemar Arsene should comit metaphorical seppuku on the spot. Unless he somehow persuades Asensio to sign, which seems unlikely. Is he really going to let this week go by without signing any midfielders though? I agree and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Pretty awesome news! Coutinho will surely be off next summer but wow was not expecting to have Keita confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Monaco are being completely decimated should Lemar leave especially since lots of reports are now coming out that PSG have reached an agreement for Mbappe as well - a loan deal with an obligation to purchase next year for around €180m inclusive of add-ons (this structure apparently allows PSG to remain FFP compliant). Wouldn't be surprised if Fabinho starts pushing for move as well. 17 minutes ago, polishgenius said: If Liverpool sign Lemar Arsene should comit metaphorical seppuku on the spot. Unless he somehow persuades Asensio to sign, which seems unlikely. Is he really going to let this week go by without signing any midfielders though? We all know that Wenger will never be able to convince Asensio to leave the best club in the world where he is a big part of their plans to join Arsenal. I don't think anyone could at this point. Wouldn't surprise me if Arsenal don't sign any midfielders. That or they will sign more dead weight on deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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