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What would most likely happen if the Trident was still a victory for the rebels, but Robert dies of his wounds a day after the battle. Word would not reach anyone in time to stop Aerys from getting killed or Ned from arriving to find Tywin sacking King's Landing while Jaime sits the Iron Throne. Aerys, Elia, and her children are all dead. Now word comes that Robert is dead.

What happens now?

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If Tywin and Ned's forces are in a ruined King's Landing when word gets out about Robert's death, then Tywin would make a bid for the throne himself. Wolf and Lion would fight in the streets and it would be difficult to tell who would win. On the one hand, Ned's forces are more organized and experienced, but they're probably less well armoured and weary. Safe to say that if the allies under Ned fought the Lannisters under Tywin, it would be a toss up as to who wins.

If Ned wins, and Jaime and Tywin are killed in the battle, then he secures the capital, waits for Jon Arryn to arrive, and rides off to relieve the siege of Storm's End. Then they would be honour bound to put Stannis on the throne, maybe they wed him to Cersei to try and make peace, or to one of the Tyrells. Either way Stannis will resent having to marry into a house he hates. Plus Cersei would be hell bent on avenging her dad and brother so Stannis' rule probably ends soon to some kind of assassination.

If Tywin wins, and Ned dies, he makes the surviving rebels bend the knee and reminds them that he was an awesome Hand of the King. He removes Jaime from the Kingsguard and makes him his heir and finally sends Tyrion to the Wall. Cersei gets married to secure the North or the Vale or whoever, and she resents the marriage. Maybe she plans a way to be reunited with Jaime somehow and cuckolds poor Benjen/Edmure/Stannis.

So really there is no happy ending and just more conflict either way.

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42 minutes ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

Stannis becomes king, gets drunk on power, then starts drinking to cope with cersei, the story continues as written 

not really

stannis figured out about the twincest. Whether he would do this if they were his children, however his death would have completely different effects on the realm in the event you're descirbing

without him, there wouldn't have been a battle of the blackwater. Also, the stormlords would likely side with Renly in TWOFK rather than Stannis 

the biggest changes of stannis becoming king (assuming his reign goes exactly as roberts did, which seems unlikely, as stannis appears to be a much better leader than bobby b ) would be that all of the things stannis did during TWOFK wouldn't have happened

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"Who becomes King?" seems like a less interesting question than "What does Eddard do with Jon Snow?"

Either Stannis (most likely) or Tywin (less likely) ends up on the Iron Throne, but Eddard definitely returns to Winterfell after the TOJ.

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If Robert dies within 24h of the battle this could mean that Ned and Jon Arryn set out for KL faster and get there well before Tywin. They would very well know that Robert is dead - it is c.450 miles from the Ruby Ford to KL - three weeks (if not four) march for an army. It is impossible for them not to learn of his death.

The Rebels arriving at KL before Tywin leads to the "Aerys manages to set KL on fire" scenario. Aerys, Varys, Ellia, Aegon, Rhanys, Jaime, Eddard Stark, Hoster and Brynden Tully and Jon Arryn - all dead. Most of the Rebel army as well.

Tywin arrives and mops up.

He could declare for Viserys with Cersei Queen as prize - she'd have to wait 6-7 years, though. Tywin is Regent from day one, however, and until the boy comes of age.

Or Tywin declares for the remnants of the Rebels, join forces with what's left and whips Mace's ass at Storms Ends and marries off his daughter to Stannis, the first of his name.

Or, seeing a power vacuum - there is no KL any more, remember? - Tywin carves up the "Lower Six" of Westeros with the Tyrells, grabbing the Riverlands for himself?

 

 

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It's up to Mace Tyrell and Paxter Redwyne. They're keeping the king of the realm and his heir trapped at Storm's End. They can bend the knee and hope to suffer no repercussions from Stannis, or...they can squeeze harder and make sure the castle falls. A very ambitious and very reckless Mace would then march to KL with his fresh troops and besiege the city, at the same time that the Redwynes send people to Dragonstone to fetch Viserys.

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-    The rebel army comes into a standstill at the trident. Eventually Ned takes control over the rebel’s army backed by Hoster Tully. 


-    Ned might lack Robert’s charisma but he compensate to that through his honour. He might not be king but he promises the former Targ loyalists his full support if they bend the knee to their cause


-    Considering that the Baratheon line is at risk of being extinguished, Ned decides to move his army to Storm’s end bypassing KL completely. The Tyrells flee and Stannis takes Robert’s role in the rebel’s coalition

 


-    The rebel army reach KL only to find it sacked. Jon Arryn tries to minimise the crime but is outvoted by Ned and Stannis who find such act as utterly disgusting. Stannis agrees to execute Tywin and Jamie with Kevan taken as hostage. In exchange the North and the Riverlands end up bending the knee. Eventually the Vale agrees to bend the knee too.

 
-    Cersei exploits Tywin’s death and Kevan’s absence to kill a 10 year old Tyrion off. Everyone in CR is terrified of her so they will do her bidding. At that point she declares war on the Northern co-alition. Tywin only took 12k to KL so the Westerlands can still raise around 30k troops if they want to.


-    Mace Tyrell is absolutely terrified of King Stannis’s retribution so he agrees to join the Lannisters cause. Cersei agrees to marry either Willas or Garlan when they come to age and rule Westeros together. 


-    The reach cuts supplies to KL forcing the tired and wounded rebel army to invade the Reach.


-    Soon enough the rebel army learns that Stannis is no Robert. Unlike the old stag, Stannis love leading the army from the back. The demoralised rebel army ends up fighting against a numerically superior force, on an unfamiliar turf and on an empty stomach. The Tyrells-Lannisters are masters in diplomacy and soon enough back room deals are made with the Boltons and the Freys to defect. The rebel army is crushed by Randyll and Tygrett


-    Uncle Tygrett ends up marrying Mina Tyrell and he’s given the Stormlands. He also rules KL alongside his new brother in law Mace Tyrell up until Willas-Cersei are of age and can get married. Meanwhile Roose is appointed Warden of the North, Lord Royce is appointed Warden of the East and Walder Frey is appointed LP of the Riverlands. Balon Greyjoy sieze this opportunity to invade the North and carve part of the North for himself only to be pushed back by Roose once he returns home. Dorne goes rogue and will remain like that up until the Targ returns. 
 

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On ‎8‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 3:14 PM, Floki of the Ironborn said:

What would most likely happen if the Trident was still a victory for the rebels, but Robert dies of his wounds a day after the battle. Word would not reach anyone in time to stop Aerys from getting killed or Ned from arriving to find Tywin sacking King's Landing while Jaime sits the Iron Throne. Aerys, Elia, and her children are all dead. Now word comes that Robert is dead.

What happens now?

Stannis the mannis will be king of the landis .

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7 minutes ago, Foot_Of_The_King said:

 At what point during the rebellion did they decide they were going to crown Robert if they achieved total victory?

Sometime around the Battle of Ruby Ford. That is what I've seen mentioned in other threads. Hopefully somebody will gift us with a quote :)

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say robert and rhaegar both die, ned goes onto kings landing, where the lannisters have sacked the city, jaime has killed aerys, and tywin has eliminated elia and the children. i remember something, not sure if its from the show or book, about cersie commenting on how ned had had the perfect opportunity to take the throne form himself, yet stepped aside for robert. say with robert dead, he does take that seat, and with the stark reputation, he would likely be generally accepted, except maybe by those within the Faith, who might be unhappy about a "pagan" sitting the iron throne. he waits for jon arryn to arrive, then moved down to relieve stannis at storms end, and after negotiating with the tyrells, he finds hisway down to the tower of joy, where he has to either kill 3 KG, or persuade them to step aside and let him see his sister. regardless of that outcome, he finds a dying lyanna and newborn jon, son of rhaegar. given what we know of eddard's personality, i think he would willing step aside as king on the iron throne, and instead act as regent for baby jon. with robert and his hate hard on for targs out of the picture, he might send for queen rhaella and young viserys. if they are willing to trust in stark honor, we might see baby dany and young prince viserys grow up in kings landing with jon. tywin might push to still tie his house to the throne by having cersie marry viserys, and ned, hating it all the while, is fores to play politics as people vie to betroth their younger or infant daughters to baby jon, or youngeor infant sons to baby dany.

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Complicated question, but I see a lot of secession.

It rooks Dragons and habit to keep Westeros together for close to 300 years.  So a lot of different leaders might have had different ideas.  I'll probably post more than once in this thread due to the varying interests of the big players but, for now I'll just give my overview.

Doran Martell/Dorne: If Elia and the kids are dead, then Dorne is done with the Iron Throne.  I know about Doran's "Viserys Plot", but that's a long game.  In the short-term it's probably better for Doran to declare independence.

Ned/Jon Arryn: With Robert dead, their best option would be to gather their armies, stop by Riverrun to pick up their wives and head back to their respective lands to see how it plays out.  The only question is whether Ned feels compelled to go South to look for Lyanna.

Hoster Tully: He's in a tough spot.  He's literally surrounded and if his goodsons go home he has a lot less power.

Tywin/Stannis/Mace Tyrell:. All three will probably try to make a play for the Iron Throne.

Stannis is dead.  Even if he survives the siege and defeats Tywin, Mace and Hoster, he'll try and fight Ned, Jon Arryn, Doran and Baelon Greyjoy.  He's hosed.

Mace is powerful, but could he hope to win against an independent North?  Same with Dorne.

Tywin Might take King's Landing, but then what?

Balon should just go away.

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If the North decides to go independent, then I imagine a scramble for the Iron Throne to be limited to the Lower Six. It took dragons for the North to bend the knee.

The struggle could well be limited to the Lower Five even, without the Vale. Without dragons the Vale may only be assaulted through amphibious operations.

I agree with PrinceHenryis - without his goodsons Hoster is in a tight spot. They do "keep his back" but he has three or four opponents in his southern arc.

But serve him right for his greed - he did not have to hoist Lysa on Jon. Jon would not have stabbed him the back anyway and he could had used Lysa to build an alliance with one of the southern powers.

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