Wolf's Bane Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The plot was very hard to accept. I can suspend my disbelief but this one is asking me to stop thinking altogether. So the raven flew at Mach 3. Dany found them in that vast expanse. And I am just so pissed off that Viserion died for nothing. Nothing. Jon should have died but at least he recognized Dany's greatness and acknowledge her as his queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elder brother jonothor dar Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Interactions between the 7 heros was funny and worth the plot gymnastics of the previous episode, but as soon as the lake froze it went down hill quickly. How the fuck has Jon survived the lake, how did he crawl out why did the dead not hang around for more than a minute to kill him as he is crawling out. Benjen wtf and why bother just so they can kill another name, Jon has survived his hypothermia so instead of stopping at east watch the put him on a ship as being at sea is the perfect place to recover. (East watch will probably fall next episode so he could not stay) Not even going to ask where they got those chains from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglesghs Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The writing has really declined over the past season. GRRM had plenty of twists and wasn't afraid to kill off popular characters. HBO has really made the plot armor incredibly thick. Is anyone relevant going to die this season? How on earth did all of them go North and battle all of those wights to only have one semi-relevant character die? Am I seriously supposed to buy into this Sansa vs Arya plot when it's very clear that neither of them will die, and surely Littlefinger will die somehow. I still love watching the show, but man, it's getting frustrating when everything this season has been somewhat predictable. Edit: oh and Benjen. WTF. You bring back a season one character that we have all been wondering about, only to kill him off in 30 seconds. Why didn't he just get on the horse? Am I supposed to believe that Jon+Benjen would have been too slow, when it's literally taking the White Walkers months to travel the same distance that Jon travels in half a day? The Army of the Dead should have arrived at the Wall so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 "Raven" is code for DM. That's why Dany got there so fast after Jon hit "send", she couldn't wait to hit that. The dumbest moment for me was Gendry leaving his weapon behind before setting out to run across a giant tundra crawling with zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakraal Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 We could assume that the company marched 10-12 hours before sending Gentry back. Then we might accept that Gentry run non-stop and reached Eastwatch within 3-4 hours. Danny should know the approximate wherabouts of the party from the raven\s message. All this we can suspend our disbelief ... ...but... ...It's 2000 miles from Eastwatch to Dragonstone. A raven would at most do 70 miles per 24 hours. And thats literally at most. So it should take 29 days for the Raven to reach Danny. For this you are right. We don't have to suspend our disbelief but to stop thinking altogether.., They could easily do without this comical situation with a bit better writing. I would better accept to see Danny ex machina out of the blue. She got stressed for old Jon's life and spontaneously flew to find them. Also, I can't accept all those last minute saves for Jon unless he is proven to be protected by some kind of "higher power" or something like that, by the end of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Have you confirmed that it was in fact Viserion? That was the first event since HBO took over that has felt like it had Martin's influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurid Jester Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Joshy said: Have you confirmed that it was in fact Viserion? That was the first event since HBO took over that has felt like it had Martin's influence. According to the internet, and I suspect production leaks, its Viserion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMachine Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This is a tv show. Enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Cinders Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 D&D should have dropped a pair of seeing stones in the dragon glass cathedral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_no_one Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Joshy said: Have you confirmed that it was in fact Viserion? That was the first event since HBO took over that has felt like it had Martin's influence. The closed captions said it was Viserion that was screeching and wailing after the dragon was hit, so we assumed it was Viserion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Cinders Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 About the dragon hit. I suspect that the dragon fire is created from a binary chemical reaction and the two are kept in separate bladders and when they mix they ignite. I think the ice spear broke both and that is why fire was spilling out as the dragon fell. Now that the dragon is undead will those glands/bladders be repaired or will the dragon bear the wounds unhealed like all the other undead do? Without a heal this dragon may have no breath weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwoofwoof Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, elder brother jonothor dar said: Not even going to ask where they got those chains from. I actually shouted at the TV "where the hell did they get those chains?" And how did they attach them to the dragon under the ice cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, TheMachine said: This is a tv show. Enjoy it. You mean this is fictional? No way, I thought this was just a very intense episode of "Alaskan Bush People" :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon_is_Azor Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Gendry doesn't have a weapon anymore. Hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis II (KLII) Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, TheMachine said: This is a tv show. Enjoy it. There are good TV shows and Bad Tv shows... thats fine. The problem when you spend 5 years watching John Oliver and in the 6th and 7th year becomes Jerry Springer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snormund Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, King Louis II (KLII) said: There are good TV shows and Bad Tv shows... thats fine. The problem when you spend 5 years watching John Oliver and in the 6th and 7th year becomes Jerry Springer It's like Black Sabbath following up Paranoid (the album) with one with Justin Bieber on vocals and Lil Wayne on guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 37 minutes ago, Joshy said: Have you confirmed that it was in fact Viserion? That was the first event since HBO took over that has felt like it had Martin's influence. We use close captions... It was Viserion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said: We use close captions... It was Viserion. The dragon's eyes looked green to me, before death. So I assumed it was Rhaegal, but I'll take your word on this. I would have been more upset if it had been Rhaegal, but still plenty upset. Especially at Dany's lack of mourning, as she decided to focus more on Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I had assumed that it was Viserion, because he would be the most poetic of the dragons to have turn against Dany. He was named for Viserys, after all, the brother who turn against her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 32 minutes ago, direwoofwoof said: I actually shouted at the TV "where the hell did they get those chains?" And how did they attach them to the dragon under the ice cap? Exactly !!! They couldnt swim through water to get to the fellowship (7 good men), yet they dived in, attached the chains and came back to the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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