Gronzag Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 So its just bad writing from Bakker, because he failed to indicate to readers that something is wrong with Khellus throughout Aspect Emperor, and that wrong is becoming progressively worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Don't be silly, Bakker is incapable of making mistakes. We, the readers, have failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, John D. said: EDIT: Or you can break it down as Ajokli speaking through his Kellhus-puppet from the Threshold onward? Agree with what @Hello World said in response. But also (!) what is missing from the break down you point to above is: What was Kellhus' plan for the Golden Room if he didn't expect Ajokli to take over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 hours ago, Hello World said: Bakker said you can pronounce his character's names however you want though. Ear-lo wa-ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Anyway, it could simply be that Kellhus is so compromised by the point of the golden room that he had no plan for getting past a million skin spies with chorae. He was the walking manipulated, by that point. It's like a paraphrase of Roger Rabbit "You could have possessed him at any time?" "No!...Only when it was funny!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 [mod] Folks, another small reminder: if someone shows up who you think is an alt of a banned user, a troll, or about whom you otherwise have concerns, please don't engage with them. Just report it to the mods and leave it there. As someone noted upthread, we have the tools to look into it. Nothing is gained by you responding to such accounts - it's just a little extra work for the moderators to clean up. [/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman and Chair Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 8/28/2017 at 9:44 PM, Darth Richard II said: What I want to know, is what the fuck wa she smoking when he came up with the MRA Dragon, cause seriously, wtf. Are hideous, monstrous villains not allowed to belittle heroic characters during battles anymore? It's not as if it's the first time a dragon ever took a weird, untoward interest in a human female, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Batman and Chair said: Are hideous, monstrous villains not allowed to belittle heroic characters during battles anymore? It's not as if it's the first time a dragon ever took a weird, untoward interest in a human female, either. Oh, let's do a weird dragon comparison! Which other dragons are you thinking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Rothfuss had opium-addicted dragons, that's sorta weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think there's a dragon in the Illiad that keeps screaming about vagina. Or maybe that was Hamlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligula_K3 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Ajûrbkli said: Rothfuss had opium-addicted dragons, that's sorta weird. That was definitely weird, and the fact that it was the climax of the book was one of the things that made me not like TNotW as much as others. I think dragons are pretty hard to get right and not be cheesy. Smaug and the ASoiAF dragons are the exceptions for me rather than the rule (and even the latter can get pretty cheesy sometimes). But I think Bakker's dragon in this book may be one of the worst dragons I've ever encountered in fiction. That dragon battle comes at the climax of the story, and all it made me do was consistently roll my eyes and make me embarrassed to be reading this book and author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Dagger and Coin has a drunk dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligula_K3 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rhom said: Dagger and Coin has a drunk dragon. Right! That dragon was actually enjoyable for me, maybe because it was more of a fully fleshed out character who happened to be a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 hours ago, Batman and Chair said: Are hideous, monstrous villains not allowed to belittle heroic characters during battles anymore? It's not as if it's the first time a dragon ever took a weird, untoward interest in a human female, either. I don't even know how to respond to this. Like, you don;t get how a dragon screaming about vagina(cunny) is hilariously cringe worthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutarez Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think Kellhus was being manipulated the moment he "broke" in the wilderness. He (and us) thought it was normal and expected, same for the many small instances of irrationality/feelings he had trough the series. That was his first and biggest test, he failed. After that Ajokli "had a way in"... I am sure Moe survived the wilderness, that's why he is not insane and Kellhus is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unJon Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, Lutarez said: I think Kellhus was being manipulated the moment he "broke" in the wilderness. He (and us) thought it was normal and expected, same for the many small instances of irrationality/feelings he had trough the series. That was his first and biggest test, he failed. After that Ajokli "had a way in"... I am sure Moe survived the wilderness, that's why he is not insane and Kellhus is I don't disagree but as Wuttereat would say: WHAT WAS KELLHUS's PLAN FOR THE GOLDEN ROOM?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Maybe he didn;t have a plan? Maybe he is a true authorial insert and was just making shit up as he went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 LOL. I think he came up with a cool scene/reveal and then retconned it. I recently re-read the Kelmomas/beetle scene in the first book. It's pretty clear lil Kel was originally supposed to be the Ajokli vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I do get the feeling that he leaves a lot of things open for interpretation just so he can decide later on what he wants to do, like most of the characters' fates at the end of TUC being unknown and the Ajokli / Gilgaol descriptions being confusingly similar. I wouldn't be surprised if he did retcon on some things throughout the series, in fact I think he did retcon on Meppa being Moenghus, maybe even he didn't intend to bring Cnaiur back at first. There is no point asking him or quoting him on this because he can lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callan S. Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: I don't even know how to respond to this. Like, you don;t get how a dragon screaming about vagina(cunny) is hilariously cringe worthy? You just don't arbitrarily consider it outside the scope of what a character could do, even if they happen to be a dragon. "Oh, how they should behave is..." Oh ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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