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8 hours ago, Greywater-Watch said:

Just watched the Episode. My first impressions:

  • not only has Littlefinger's arc been developed in a poor way, they also didn't grant him an honorable show-death (comparable to Stannis). Baelish wasn't a Coward to plead for his life like that.
  • Meeting of Samwell and Bran: well, they should have spent days discussing together to exchange knowledge etc. To grab Bran's power, Samwell should have been given time to understand it slowly. And, finally it seems Samwell listened to Gilly when she read him about Rhaegar's annulement and new marriage. In episode 5, I didn't think so. In short: material for a whole episode was stuffed into less than 5 minutes.
  • It seems Sansa and Bran finally talked to each other, shame we did not wittness it.
  • It seems Dany-Team did not prepare well for the negotiation. Why was everyone so upset by Jon's declaration to have bend his knee to Dany? Dany knew already. Why showing surprise then? Tyrion did not know? And why was is that tragic? I do not get it, sorry.
  • When un-dead-Viserion was burning (or freezing ???) the wall, I thought: they (Thormund etc.) will never have a better occasion than now (with Viserion standing still in the air) to kill him with a dragonglass-tipped spear or arrow. Shame, they did not even try.

Man, UnViserion is more powerful than Cyclops from the X-Men. The show characters are much less brave than the novel characters. Can you imagine Jon Snow, the special snowflake cowering behind a tree in fear as an Other made off with a baby boy? 

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Chain magic again!

 

It's a good thing the exactly measured out the chain length so that it would scream 5 cm from Cersei's face! Clever thinking! Also I love how the wights have oil all over them so they instantly burn. Jaime saw this magic of chains and oil and suddenly thought he must pledge to go North as well. Because there isn't any more character-driven reason to finally go away from Carol.

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ALthough I blew my load early in this thread I have one additional rant:

 

#boatsex.

Naked

On a boat

In winter

Heading north.

 

Think about that for a while.

For those of you who are like--uh? you gotta get nekked to do the deed, I do concur.  I also know that one can be under blankets, especially if you are

(1) On a boat

(2) in winter

(3) heading north.

Gratutitous butt and side-boob was just awkward like there was some fan-porno being filmed there. Possibly by Tyrion.  Or ghost.

 

THATS WHERE GHOST HAS BEEN!!! GHOST FILMED SEASON 7!!!

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4 hours ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

Ut oh, I didn't even contemplate the idea of a Jon Connington being in the Golden Company.  I'm double worried because Cers will need someone to command land forces, huh?  Granted, it'd just be a name, I think, unless they want to throw in a character who knew the Noble Rhaegar, as Oberyn called him.  Then again, any of our sellsword characters could wind up leading the Golden Company.  How about Tatters?  LOL  That reminds me, what happened to Davos's buddy Sallador Saan?  I would still like to hear him say the word Dragonstone......one.......more......time!! 

I got half a groat says she'll put Bronn in charge. 

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1 minute ago, madscientist596 said:

ALthough I blew my load early in this thread I have one additional rant:

 

#boatsex.

Naked

On a boat

In winter

Heading north.

 

Think about that for a while.

For those of you who are like--uh? you gotta get nekked to do the deed, I do concur.  I also know that one can be under blankets, especially if you are

(1) On a boat

(2) in winter

(3) heading north.

Gratutitous butt and side-boob was just awkward like there was some fan-porno being filmed there. Possibly by Tyrion.  Or ghost.

 

THATS WHERE GHOST HAS BEEN!!! GHOST FILMED SEASON 7!!!

Ghost has always been a talented wolf. Shame they didn't let him write the script too. 

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Is show Tyrion now the most different character from the books? Appearance wise he was always different but in the first four seasons I think the writing and his portrayal of the character captured most other things pretty well. He was clever, cunning and perceptive and while the show writers may have downplayed his narcissistic tendencies at times, they did eventually capture them.

But now in the last two seasons he has become a complete lackwit who misreads every situation, has no perception, and has basically screwed up the world through his incompetence. It was his plans that lost their Ironborn fleet and effectively Dorne (although I am unclear why their armies can't march overland), lost Highgarden, and lost a dragon which was apparently the only way the wall could be breached. I can remember he screwed up something in Mereen (although I have forgotten what exactly) before Dany came back to save the day with a Dragon. And now he got completely outplayed by Cersei and convinced Dany to open herself up to another betrayal.

This is the guy who, in the books, who figures out who Griff and Young Griff are, and likely figures out he is a fake, while masterfully manipulating him into prematurely invading the seven kingdoms presumably with the foresight to enhance his own position at Daenerys' side.

I have no idea why (in the show) they trusted him in Mereen at all but especially to such an extent. I have no idea why they continue to follow his plans. It's just unconvincing.

Initially I was most disappointed with Jaime's character after he arrived back in Kingslanding before Sansa escaped which led to his motivations changing. Then I was most disappointed with Jon as they dumbed him down to a noble, but dim-witted warrior. But now I think Tyrion's character takes first place on the most screwed up adaption. 

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13 minutes ago, Hound's She-Wolf 2 said:

I was sitting there wondering if Viserion was breathing ice, blue fire or then I started laughing because I thought, maybe it's icefire! Does it burn or does is freeze? Maybe it does the burning type freeze but how could a dragon wight burn a solid ice wall. I'm going with icefire. Makes no sense, but neither does anything else.

 

Blue flames are hotter than yellow or red flames actually, and an indication of being oxygen rich and soot free: a pure comlete combustion. Viserion was turned into a hot raging bunsen flame thrower (kindof like the device used for melding).

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4 hours ago, Tadco26 said:

Show-Littlefinger isn't really much of a master planner.  He betrayed the Lannisters for no reason when they were the ones legitimizing his lordship and claim in the Vale so he could ally with the Bolton's who betrayed the Lannister's for no reason as they were legitimizing their claim on the North and Ramsay not being a bastard.  Then Littlefinger betrayed the Bolton's too and each scheme had no apparent benefit for him.  He had more power before he left the vale than he has ever since and there was never any explanation of what his end game was.  No plan to marry Sansa or consolidate power in any way.  He has been a disappointing character for most of the show's run, more brothel owning buffoon than master plotter.

the minute the TV show deviated from the Sansa/Alayne plot in the Eyrie, Littlefinger's importance to the story disappeared.  all these inexplicable betrayals were hand-waved by the show runners with lines from Baelish that explained away the need for his actions to make sense or not....

in the books, the Lannisters conspired with the Boltons to perpetrate the Red Wedding, and subsequently continued to scheme together with the marrying of (fake)Arya to Ramsay Snow to consolidate power in the North.  Littlefinger and Sansa/Alayne had nothing to do with these machinations.

the incompetent showrunners could not keep the Alayne plot from the books (for whatever reason).  construction metaphor time:  they had a sheetrock partition with a hole in the middle.  instead of tearing down the partition and rebuilding it, they threw up some plaster compound in an attempt to simply patch over the hole.  they failed to see how this would affect the longterm durability and effectiveness of their partition.  after some settling and a few years of general wear-and-tear; the plaster compound starting to crack and chip away, until nothing was left but the original hole in the partition, with all the evidence of a band-aid attempt to fix the hole. 

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Questions that remain unanswered (and maybe it's for the best, because the aswers would be dumber than their absence): 

1. So what happened at Casterly Rock? Did Euron give Grey Worm and co a ride? Or did he just sail there to anchor in front of the rock and have a picnic and let Grey Worm march back in peace? Who runs the rock now? The same person who runs sunspear, the twins, storm's end, high garden and riverrun? 

2. Why the FUCK would you take two dragons and deliberately show that you lost one? Take ONE. And let them all think you still have three. How did NOBODY advise Daenerys on this and why is she so dumb herself? 

3. What the fuck was the purpose of Brienne here? Or what was the purpose of the lack of her presence in Winterfell?Other than d&d getting high on making the main cast meet? 

4. So the smartest company in the world went on a quest to get a wight south so they could be screwed over by the person they went into this whole trouble for? what were the previous 3 episodes for? 

5. So I still don't know if those fights were for real or faked for Littlefinger (who was never in the scene). If they were real, how did this 180 degree turn happen? Did they talk this out off camera? Did they ask Bran? Did Bran initiate this? Did Sansa? Did Arya? I mean all that would have been interesting to know. In any case, since it's been two and a half seasons since Littlefinger played any major role in the grand schemes of Westerosi politics, his death was pretty damn late and pretty underwhelming. 

6. Is Beric and/or Tormund STILL alive? I hope not. 

7. So one wee dragon is enough to bring the wall down? In... five minutes? Oooookay. 

But enough of questions. Let's get to the unforgivable shit that went down this episode from least unforgivable to most fucking unforgivable: 

- Ned Stark's son. Ned Stark's son. Our father. My father. STOP IT. We get it. Ned isn't really Jon's father but people don't know this yet. We fucking get it. And then that god awful conversation about "you don't have to choose, you are a Stark and a Greyjoy", my fucking god. If subtlety was a Pomeranian, the hints in this show would be like a rabid hyena. Also that Theon scene, complete waste of screentime. 

- Tyrion is the stupidest character in the show right now. The most moral and intelligent man in the universe has been outsmarted by Cersei three times in 7 episodes. What the fuck is going on with that? Tyrion is supposed to be the smarter one of the two. How could he possibly believe after lecturing Jon about lying to the enemy that Cersei suddenly changed her mind? How? And along the same lines, it's insanely unrealistic that Cersei, who did stupid shit after stupid shit for 5 seasons now grew her IQ by twenty points and is suddenly outsmarting literally everybody in Westeros. 

- and the Tyrion, the most wanted dwarf in the world with a price tag on his head decides to have a one to one conversation with the person who's been trying to have him killed for 3 seasons. And when he enters the room, she doesn't have him killed. What the fuck for fuck's sake?! I cannot imagine a scenario in which Cersei wouldn't immediately have Tyrion killed when given the chance. She is batshit crazy there's not a chance Tyrion could get through to her before she would have Gregor kill him. And all that just so we can have a goddamn scene with Peter Dinklage (who's been literally invisible for the past two seasons) and Lena Headey with whom I'm so bored there are no words to describe. 

- and then goddamn Bran. Who sees everything and knows everything that's happening in the present (and doesn't use this provide advantage to the living the Great War or help to his siblings - or if there's a three eyed raven rule against all this, at least show signs of struggle and inner conflict over this) but doesn't know that Rhaegar married Lyanna and doesn't know that Robert's Rebellion was built on a lie (which it totally wasn't, it was built on miscommunication and rash decisions). For fuck's sake, HOW can you not know that if you know everything? Argh. 

- and then it gets worse. My fucking god. Oh bloody hell. Like fuck off. Like seriously. My god. Why. Why.  I respect environmental protection and I respect budget constraints. But for fucks sake, if you are going to shoot (one of) the most hyped scenes of the entire story, can you fucking not recycle Harry Lloyd's wig and a seasons 1-3 Red Keep handmaiden/whorehouse dress for goddamn Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark?!?!?! What the fuck was that? What the fuck is viserys doing marrying random Handmaid number 637372. My god. WHY. 

- and it gets EVEN WORSE. Because with one cut we are at Kit Harrington's naked butt screwing his goddamn aunt! Do we still remember season 1 and 2 and 3 and even 4 that established how incest isn't cute by Westerosi standards? Like am I supposed to be happy? Oh look there's Kit Harrington's butt, and awww look there are his parents getting married and awww there's Emilia's butt and they are screwing while Bran narrates the love story of their mother/brother. This is the cutest thing I have ever seen. 

- and it's not over, becausr it can still get EVEN WORSE because Jon's real name is fucking Aegon. Like, did anybody read The Girl Who Saved the King of Sweden? Holger and Holger. But here it's Aegon and Aegon. So did it go like "Honey, I have to go to battle, but please, if you have this baby before I return, can you name it the exact same I already named my other son"? Or did it go like, "Oh shite, my water broke, but we didn't agree on a name, maaan, okay, I guess I'll go with Aegon, I'm sure he likes that name, he already named one child that"? It must have been like "hey so what do we name Jon?  / eeeeeerrr Aegon? Like the conquerer? / yeah, okay. Are there any other Aegons though? / random previous kings maybe? Should we check the HBO family tree?  / nah, don't bother, let's go with Aegon." Holy fucking fuck.  poor grrm (and I don't say that often), I hope he didn't watch this episode. 

 

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Something I just thought of. Why are we expectedly to cheer for Todd Snow and Daedpan to have an incestuous relationship and win the Iron throne together, thereby reestablishing the pattern of crazed inbred Targaryens ruling Westeros. Break the wheel my ass. 

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5 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

I got half a groat says she'll put Bronn in charge. 

And she'll send them to WF after all, with Lannister uniforms pretending to help, but only there to assassinate Jon Snow. We finally have a Cersei as looney and irrational, believing herself to be the New Tywin in dress of aFfC, and since Jon pretty much did his political deaf to advice plot of aDwD as LC at the Wall (except he was right to disregard Marsh's advice) as KitN, it sort of lines up, no? Oh, and Jaime can merge with JonCon to look after Rhaegar's son Aegon Targaryen.

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Just watched it.

Oh my words what a shame they made of LF. 

And what a fairy tale they made of this special story (Jon-Dany sex scene...).

So Jaime is going to fight WW like, alone on his horse ?

What is Tyrion's point by wandering around while Jonerys is happening ?

How could Theon know where Yarasha bloody is ?

This episode was like the whole season : does not make much sense but well it makes money.

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I've been trying to make a thread asking people for their own verions of how the plot should have been structured for 7 episodes, to fix some of the issues of the season, but it has not been getting approved, which makes me wonder if its vioalting some kind of forum rule? I've been trying to think of my own 'fan fiction' version of this season, mostly for fun really, of what I would have liked to happen in the course of 7 episodes to make things make a bit more sense. It's nice to complain, but if you were the writer, and given the general plot you have to cover, how would you go about it?

So here's what I would do. My main concern here is not to change the main climactic beats of the story, but try to get a similar basic plot outline to come through without some of the things that make no sense, and some additional character development.

Episodes 1 and 2, would be very similar to what we have in the show. The few things I would change are: I would have Tyrion show some more animosity towards the Sand Snakes for killing Myrcella, as it makes sense for his character. In Tyrion's plan, I would also have him propose that the Sand Snakes sail back to Dorne similarly to what we have in the show, but with just a small naval escort, explaining that it would make no sense to have such a large fleet move all the way to Dorne just to ferry 3 women. Fleet ambush in the end of the episode, where the Sand Snakes and Yara are captured, similar to what happened in the show.

Episode 3: Again, very similar to what we had in the show. Jon arrives in Dragonstone. One difference I would have is that when Jon arrives and walks towards the castle, 2 of the 3 dragons land down and approach - both curiously and menacingly, and then fly off. Everybody is surprised, including Misandei, who explains that they usually do not act in this way. This is to develop early a connection between Jon and the dragons. Similar ending to episode.

Episode 4: Fairly similar to show episode 4. At the very start of the episode I would have Daenerys agree to let Jon mine Dragonglass, and in the immediate next scene, when she approaches to tell him so, a dragon lands, and a very similar scene to what happened in episode 5 in the real show occurs, where the Dragon approaches Jon and lets him touch him. Building the notion that there is a hidden bond between Jon and the dragons, which in turn intrigues Dany and gives her a reason to show undue interest in Jon. I would also introduce a new scene at Eastwatch, where some Wildling scouts return and show Tormund that they've captured a Wight, and spotted the army of the dead far to the North, maybe a month's ride away . Tormund mentions that they need to inform Jon immediately. The news don't have to come from Bran, and Jon doesn't need to learn that Arya and Bran are alive yet, as realistically for his character, this means that he would want to return back to Winterfell.

Episode 5: Message arrives for Jon. Danerys returns from the battle, again with another bonding scene between Jon and a dragon. Meeting held in Dragonstone similar to the show. Jon tells them that there is no time to keep fighting in the South that they must move North given what he hears from Eastwatch.  He tells Tyrion that Cersei must be able to see that she cannot win this fight, that all odds are against her, and that she must be made to see there is no shame in surrendering, as all the kings of the 7 kingdoms did when Aegon the conqueror arrived. Tyrion claims that Jon does not know his sister. Jon responds that it must be worth a try, pleads with Dany to give Cersei honourable terms, so that further bloodshed can be prevented, and so that they can ride North to defeat their common enemy. Dany reluctantly agrees that it is worth at least organizing a parley, and Tyrion, sceptically, claims that he may be able to convince his brother.  No Wight fetching quest is devised.

Tyrion, is smuggled to King's Landing. Has a similar scene with his brother. Jaime and Cersei meet, agree to the parley. Back in Dragonstone, Jon and Dany talk outside as darkness starts to fall. Jon talks to Dany about the fact that she arrived very quickly to Dragonstone from King's Landing. Dany explains that it is faster to travel when you can fly, and that she could cross the great grass seas in Essos in a few days with her dragon, rather than the weeks it would take a Dothraki horde. Jon asks her how she can control the dragon, Dany explains that she is not sure, that she feels a connection, and that the dragons, particularly Drogon, just act in the way she wants them to.

A dragon lands near them once again. Dany is surprised and mentions that they seem to like Jon. The dragon approaches Jon again and crouches near him as if urging him to come near. Dany looks surprised, and Jon reluctantly, but seeming to understand what the dragon wants of him, climbs to his back while Dany looks. The dragon's lets him fly with him for a while before landing again. This is the climax of episode 5. Jon talks with Dany again after he lands, tells her that he knows she does not believe him about the army of the dead, and tells her to let him show her.

Episode 6: Rather than the various scenes of the magnificent 7 walking in the North, I would have a few scenes where Jon and Dany land near Eastwatch on 2 dragons. Tormund and the rest of the wildlings watch in amazement. Jon introduces Dany to them. Tormund asks 'What are they?', meaning the Dragons. Jon responds 'They, are how we beat him'. Next scene, in the cells of EastWatch, Dany is shown the captured Wight. She asks Tormund to confirm that the army of the dead is a few weeks North of EastWatch. He replies that he is not sure, that they move very slowly, but he thinks yes. She tells Jon, I want to go see them.

In the next scene they are flying through a blizzard over a massive army of the dead. The Night King, standing on a hilltop as his army moves around him spots them. They land on a large mountain, looking down at the army. Dany seems shocked at what she sees. In the distance they see the Night King. Dany claims 'We can end this right now'. Jon pleads with her not to do anything. She ignores him, begins attacking the army of the dead with Drogon. She flies closer to the NK. Drogon breathes fire on him, but the fire dies down from the cold and the NK's magic before it can reach him. Jon flies behind. The NK, uses his Javelin and kills Jon's dragon, who crash lands. Jon is injured in the crash. Dany lands and saves him. They fly off as the NK barely misses another shot.

They land in a field just north of EastWatch. The wildlings run out and pick up an injured Jon. In the next scene, Dany tends to his wounds, sees his stab wounds in the heart. Jon apologizes for making her come North. Dany apologizes back that it is her fault, that she should have listened and believed him in the first place, and never tried to attack the NK. Their adventure together brings them closer together.

In Winterfell, things develop very similarly to how they have in the show, but I would have one major difference. The Hound and the brotherhood are captured near Winterfell, and not near EastWatch. Both sisters have scenes with the Hound in a cell. He tells Arya that she never would have survived if she was in Sansa's place. This works both as fan service, but also as the Hound, having experienced both sisters, being the link that makes us believe they would be willing to talk to each other and understand each other.

Episode 7: Very similar to what we had in today's episode, with a few changes. Dany would offer Cersei peace, and the chance to end the war with no more bloodhshed if they surrender honorably. She promises to make the Lannisters Wardens of the West again. She says that she has been made to understand that Olenna Tyrell killed her son. She offers that as the Tyrell line has been destroyed, that she will grant Highgarden to the Lannisters as an offer of goodwill and as payment for Olenna's crimes - but only if they surrender, as the original 7 kings honorably did to Aegon, and agree to end the bloodshed and fight their common enemy. Cersei mocks the idea of a common enemy. Dany mentions that she went to the North and brought something with her to show them. We have the Wight scene. Cersei responds that she will agree to a truce, but not peace. That they can go to the North and fight the dead on their own, but that the war will continue afterwards, and that she is not afraid of bloodshed.

Cersei leaves. Tyrion has a scene with her. Tyrion asks her how they knew where the Sand Snakes would be sailing to in order to ambush them at sea. When Cersei reveals she has her sources, Tyrion admits to her that it was him who sent details of the movement of the Sand Snakes, so they would be captured, and be made to pay for Myrcella's murder. He claims that he does not want to see his family destroyed, understands that Cersei is pregnant. Pleads with her not to throw away this chance, for the sake of her child. Cersei returns. Pledges the Lannister army's to the war, but not to bend the knee, and proclaims that negotiations will continue after the war is done, and perhaps they can come to some agreement. Audience is left with some doubts as to Tyrion's loyalties to create drama. Everything else plays out similar to the real show. Jaime has a falling off with Cercei, both because of her betrayal of her promises, but also because he feels that this is the best offer they have, and he does not want to see more bloodshed if they can get peace. Cersei mocks him, he goes away as in the show. The Wall falls, and the season ends.

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3 minutes ago, Iotun said:

I've been trying to make a thread asking people for their own verions of how the plot should have been structured for 7 episodes, to fix some of the issues of the season, but it has not been getting approved, which makes me wonder if its vioalting some kind of forum rule? I've been trying to think of my own 'fan fiction' version of this season, mostly for fun really, of what I would have liked to happen in the course of 7 episodes to make things make a bit more sense. It's nice to complain, but if you were the writer, and given the general plot you have to cover, how would you go about it?

So here's what I would do. My main concern here is not to change the main climactic beats of the story, but try to get a similar basic plot outline to come through without some of the things that make no sense, and some additional character development.

Episodes 1 and 2, would be very similar to what we have in the show. The few things I would change are: I would have Tyrion show some more animosity towards the Sand Snakes for killing Myrcella, as it makes sense for his character. In Tyrion's plan, I would also have him propose that the Sand Snakes sail back to Dorne similarly to what we have in the show, but with just a small naval escort, explaining that it would make no sense to have such a large fleet move all the way to Dorne just to ferry 3 women. Fleet ambush in the end of the episode, where the Sand Snakes and Yara are captured, similar to what happened in the show.

Episode 3: Again, very similar to what we had in the show. Jon arrives in Dragonstone. One difference I would have is that when Jon arrives and walks towards the castle, 2 of the 3 dragons land down and approach - both curiously and menacingly, and then fly off. Everybody is surprised, including Misandei, who explains that they usually do not act in this way. This is to develop early a connection between Jon and the dragons. Similar ending to episode.

Episode 4: Fairly similar to show episode 4. At the very start of the episode I would have Daenerys agree to let Jon mine Dragonglass, and in the immediate next scene, when she approaches to tell him so, a dragon lands, and a very similar scene to what happened in episode 5 in the real show occurs, where the Dragon approaches Jon and lets him touch him. Building the notion that there is a hidden bond between Jon and the dragons, which in turn intrigues Dany and gives her a reason to show undue interest in Jon. I would also introduce a new scene at Eastwatch, where some Wildling scouts return and show Tormund that they've captured a Wight, and spotted the army of the dead far to the North, maybe a month's ride away . Tormund mentions that they need to inform Jon immediately. The news don't have to come from Bran, and Jon doesn't need to learn that Arya and Bran are alive yet, as realistically for his character, this means that he would want to return back to Winterfell.

Episode 5: Message arrives for Jon. Danerys returns from the battle, again with another bonding scene between Jon and a dragon. Meeting held in Dragonstone similar to the show. Jon tells them that there is no time to keep fighting in the South that they must move North given what he hears from Eastwatch.  He tells Tyrion that Cersei must be able to see that she cannot win this fight, that all odds are against her, and that she must be made to see there is no shame in surrendering, as all the kings of the 7 kingdoms did when Aegon the conqueror arrived. Tyrion claims that Jon does not know his sister. Jon responds that it must be worth a try, pleads with Dany to give Cersei honourable terms, so that further bloodshed can be prevented, and so that they can ride North to defeat their common enemy. Dany reluctantly agrees that it is worth at least organizing a parley, and Tyrion, sceptically, claims that he may be able to convince his brother.  No Wight fetching quest is devised.

Tyrion, is smuggled to King's Landing. Has a similar scene with his brother. Jaime and Cersei meet, agree to the parley. Back in Dragonstone, Jon and Dany talk outside as darkness starts to fall. Jon talks to Dany about the fact that she arrived very quickly to Dragonstone from King's Landing. Dany explains that it is faster to travel when you can fly, and that she could cross the great grass seas in Essos in a few days with her dragon, rather than the weeks it would take a Dothraki horde. Jon asks her how she can control the dragon, Dany explains that she is not sure, that she feels a connection, and that the dragons, particularly Drogon, just act in the way she wants them to.

A dragon lands near them once again. Dany is surprised and mentions that they seem to like Jon. The dragon approaches Jon again and crouches near him as if urging him to come near. Dany looks surprised, and Jon reluctantly, but seeming to understand what the dragon wants of him, climbs to his back while Dany looks. The dragon's lets him fly with him for a while before landing again. This is the climax of episode 5. Jon talks with Dany again after he lands, tells her that he knows she does not believe him about the army of the dead, and tells her to let him show her.

Episode 6: Rather than the various scenes of the magnificent 7 walking in the North, I would have a few scenes where Jon and Dany land near Eastwatch on 2 dragons. Tormund and the rest of the wildlings watch in amazement. Jon introduces Dany to them. Tormund asks 'What are they?', meaning the Dragons. Jon responds 'They, are how we beat him'. Next scene, in the cells of EastWatch, Dany is shown the captured Wight. She asks Tormund to confirm that the army of the dead is a few weeks North of EastWatch. He replies that he is not sure, that they move very slowly, but he thinks yes. She tells Jon, I want to go see them.

In the next scene they are flying through a blizzard over a massive army of the dead. The Night King, standing on a hilltop as his army moves around him spots them. They land on a large mountain, looking down at the army. Dany seems shocked at what she sees. In the distance they see the Night King. Dany claims 'We can end this right now'. Jon pleads with her not to do anything. She ignores him, begins attacking the army of the dead with Drogon. She flies closer to the NK. Drogon breathes fire on him, but the fire dies down from the cold and the NK's magic before it can reach him. Jon flies behind. The NK, uses his Javelin and kills Jon's dragon, who crash lands. Jon is injured in the crash. Dany lands and saves him. They fly off as the NK barely misses another shot.

They land in a field just north of EastWatch. The wildlings run out and pick up an injured Jon. In the next scene, Dany tends to his wounds, sees his stab wounds in the heart. Jon apologizes for making her come North. Dany apologizes back that it is her fault, that she should have listened and believed him in the first place, and never tried to attack the NK. Their adventure together brings them closer together.

In Winterfell, things develop very similarly to how they have in the show, but I would have one major difference. The Hound and the brotherhood are captured near Winterfell, and not near EastWatch. Both sisters have scenes with the Hound in a cell. He tells Arya that she never would have survived if she was in Sansa's place. This works both as fan service, but also as the Hound, having experienced both sisters, being the link that makes us believe they would be willing to talk to each other and understand each other.

Episode 7: Very similar to what we had in today's episode, with a few changes. Dany would offer Cersei peace, and the chance to end the war with no more bloodhshed if they surrender honorably. She promises to make the Lannisters Wardens of the West again. She says that she has been made to understand that Olenna Tyrell killed her son. She offers that as the Tyrell line has been destroyed, that she will grant Highgarden to the Lannisters as an offer of goodwill and as payment for Olenna's crimes - but only if they surrender, as the original 7 kings honorably did to Aegon, and agree to end the bloodshed and fight their common enemy. Cersei mocks the idea of a common enemy. Dany mentions that she went to the North and brought something with her to show them. We have the Wight scene. Cersei responds that she will agree to a truce, but not peace. That they can go to the North and fight the dead on their own, but that the war will continue afterwards, and that she is not afraid of bloodshed.

Cersei leaves. Tyrion has a scene with her. Tyrion asks her how they knew where the Sand Snakes would be sailing to in order to ambush them at sea. When Cersei reveals she has her sources, Tyrion admits to her that it was him who sent details of the movement of the Sand Snakes, so they would be captured, and be made to pay for Myrcella's murder. He claims that he does not want to see his family destroyed, understands that Cersei is pregnant. Pleads with her not to throw away this chance, for the sake of her child. Cersei returns. Pledges the Lannister army's to the war, but not to bend the knee, and proclaims that negotiations will continue after the war is done, and perhaps they can come to some agreement. Audience is left with some doubts as to Tyrion's loyalties to create drama. Everything else plays out similar to the real show. Jaime has a falling off with Cercei, both because of her betrayal of her promises, but also because he feels that this is the best offer they have, and he does not want to see more bloodshed if they can get peace. Cersei mocks him, he goes away as in the show. The Wall falls, and the season ends.

That sounds way better than what happened!

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14 minutes ago, RhaenysB said:

Questions that remain unanswered (and maybe it's for the best, because the aswers would be dumber than their absence): 

1. So what happened at Casterly Rock? Did Euron give Grey Worm and co a ride? Or did he just sail there to anchor in front of the rock and have a picnic and let Grey Worm march back in peace? Who runs the rock now? The same person who runs sunspear, the twins, storm's end, high garden and riverrun? 

2. Why the FUCK would you take two dragons and deliberately show that you lost one? Take ONE. And let them all think you still have three. How did NOBODY advise Daenerys on this and why is she so dumb herself? 

3. What the fuck was the purpose of Brienne here? Or what was the purpose of the lack of her presence in Winterfell?Other than d&d getting high on making the main cast meet? 

4. So the smartest company in the world went on a quest to get a wight south so they could be screwed over by the person they went into this whole trouble for? what were the previous 3 episodes for? 

5. So I still don't know if those fights were for real or faked for Littlefinger (who was never in the scene). If they were real, how did this 180 degree turn happen? Did they talk this out off camera? Did they ask Bran? Did Bran initiate this? Did Sansa? Did Arya? I mean all that would have been interesting to know. In any case, since it's been two and a half seasons since Littlefinger played any major role in the grand schemes of Westerosi politics, his death was pretty damn late and pretty underwhelming. 

6. Is Beric and/or Tormund STILL alive? I hope not. 

7. So one wee dragon is enough to bring the wall down? In... five minutes? Oooookay. 

But enough of questions. Let's get to the unforgivable shit that went down this episode from least unforgivable to most fucking unforgivable: 

- Ned Stark's son. Ned Stark's son. Our father. My father. STOP IT. We get it. Ned isn't really Jon's father but people don't know this yet. We fucking get it. And then that god awful conversation about "you don't have to choose, you are a Stark and a Greyjoy", my fucking god. If subtlety was a Pomeranian, the hints in this show would be like a rabid hyena. Also that Theon scene, complete waste of screentime. 

- Tyrion is the stupidest character in the show right now. The most moral and intelligent man in the universe has been outsmarted by Cersei three times in 7 episodes. What the fuck is going on with that? Tyrion is supposed to be the smarter one of the two. How could he possibly believe after lecturing Jon about lying to the enemy that Cersei suddenly changed her mind? How? And along the same lines, it's insanely unrealistic that Cersei, who did stupid shit after stupid shit for 5 seasons now grew her IQ by twenty points and is suddenly outsmarting literally everybody in Westeros. 

- and the Tyrion, the most wanted dwarf in the world with a price tag on his head decides to have a one to one conversation with the person who's been trying to have him killed for 3 seasons. And when he enters the room, she doesn't have him killed. What the fuck for fuck's sake?! I cannot imagine a scenario in which Cersei wouldn't immediately have Tyrion killed when given the chance. She is batshit crazy there's not a chance Tyrion could get through to her before she would have Gregor kill him. And all that just so we can have a goddamn scene with Peter Dinklage (who's been literally invisible for the past two seasons) and Lena Headey with whom I'm so bored there are no words to describe. 

- and then goddamn Bran. Who sees everything and knows everything that's happening in the present (and doesn't use this provide advantage to the living the Great War or help to his siblings - or if there's a three eyed raven rule against all this, at least show signs of struggle and inner conflict over this) but doesn't know that Rhaegar married Lyanna and doesn't know that Robert's Rebellion was built on a lie (which it totally wasn't, it was built on miscommunication and rash decisions). For fuck's sake, HOW can you not know that if you know everything? Argh. 

- and then it gets worse. My fucking god. Oh bloody hell. Like fuck off. Like seriously. My god. Why. Why.  I respect environmental protection and I respect budget constraints. But for fucks sake, if you are going to shoot (one of) the most hyped scenes of the entire story, can you fucking not recycle Harry Lloyd's wig and a seasons 1-3 Red Keep handmaiden/whorehouse dress for goddamn Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark?!?!?! What the fuck was that? What the fuck is viserys doing marrying random Handmaid number 637372. My god. WHY. 

- and it gets EVEN WORSE. Because with one cut we are at Kit Harrington's naked butt screwing his goddamn aunt! Do we still remember season 1 and 2 and 3 and even 4 that established how incest isn't cute by Westerosi standards? Like am I supposed to be happy? Oh look there's Kit Harrington's butt, and awww look there are his parents getting married and awww there's Emilia's butt and they are screwing while Bran narrates the love story of their mother/brother. This is the cutest thing I have ever seen. 

- and it's not over, becausr it can still get EVEN WORSE because Jon's real name is fucking Aegon. Like, did anybody read The Girl Who Saved the King of Sweden? Holger and Holger. But here it's Aegon and Aegon. So did it go like "Honey, I have to go to battle, but please, if you have this baby before I return, can you name it the exact same I already named my other son"? Or did it go like, "Oh shite, my water broke, but we didn't agree on a name, maaan, okay, I guess I'll go with Aegon, I'm sure he likes that name, he already named one child that"? It must have been like "hey so what do we name Jon?  / eeeeeerrr Aegon? Like the conquerer? / yeah, okay. Are there any other Aegons though? / random previous kings maybe? Should we check the HBO family tree?  / nah, don't bother, let's go with Aegon." Holy fucking fuck.  poor grrm (and I don't say that often), I hope he didn't watch this episode. 

 

:cheers:, thank you for at least making me laugh at how bad some of these parts were.

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23 minutes ago, madscientist596 said:

 

THATS WHERE GHOST HAS BEEN!!! GHOST FILMED SEASON 7!!!

Ghost went to an ashram after season 6 to mourn Rickon. And his shaman told him to quit the show altogether because CGI bears are more important. He found inner peace though. And a new brand of dog treats. 

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1 minute ago, RhaenysB said:

Ghost went to an ashram after season 6 to mourn Rickon. And his shaman told him to quit the show altogether because CGI bears are more important. He found inner peace though. And a new brand of dog treats. 

*wolf treats 

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You must follow Littlefinger: "when you think about difficult questions concerning season 7, you should look for the dumbest possible answer"

4 minutes ago, RhaenysB said:

1. So what happened at Casterly Rock?

Nothing, it was just a meaningless cliffhanger like Jaime sinking in the water.

5 minutes ago, RhaenysB said:

3. What the fuck was the purpose of Brienne here? Or what was the purpose of the lack of her presence in Winterfell?Other than d&d getting high on making the main cast meet? 

Correct. Neither Brienne nor the Hound had any relevance at the meeting, but the screenwriter loves to randomly put together characters.

11 minutes ago, RhaenysB said:

How could he possibly believe after lecturing Jon about lying to the enemy that Cersei suddenly changed her mind?

I'm afraid this will be the dumbest: Tyrion has a secret agreement with Cersei.

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Disliked  in this episode:

* The whole Littlefinger trial. I hope the next milleniums will see an improvement in the judiciary of Westeros. LF did not deserve better but greater than this.

* Rhaegar looking like Viserys.

* The "Targaryens were nothing without their dragons" talking. I always assumed the Valyrian civilization was considerably more sophisticated than all in Westeros (Kind of Atlantis folks). The Targs had their steel, the Blood&Fire Magic, and I am sure they could be very convincing even without their Dragons.

* Where was Varys? What is his purpose?

* Arriving with two dragons lead to obvious questions. Very obvious ones.

* The dead end plot with the unsullied in Casterly Rock.

* So the crown was nearly broke, but a few carriages from Highgarden buy you the golden company?

* And Cersei trust Euron to do this for her?

 

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