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[Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

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How this episode and this season has completely:

Underutilized Bran's abilities.

Deleted Ghost.

Overdone Sansa/Arya drama.

 

Only reason for above would be so there's no major reveal of what's to come in the books. Stay patient book readers =)

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10 hours ago, Zapho said:

To be quite honest, I think you should be more careful with the terms you use. I get it that you are really dissatisfied with what the show did to the books you love. Ok. Your opinion. Your pain. Yoiur personal feelings.

Others have a different opinion/experience and they come from different places maybe. There's no reason whatsoever to insult people who don't share your opinion, who try to find rational reasons for the show presenting the stuff the way it does before they cry bad writing and stupidity galore. Read the "troll" post again and you'll find that it asks for nothing more than some intelligence and maybe a semblance of a decent debating culture.

Well, nah, it calls critics of the show basement-dwellers who alienate their own families, which I'm happy to take as a joke, especially given I have a job, earn enough to support my own place, moving costs for next place, and someone else living with me, so it really doesn't make me do anything other than find it amusing. But nah, I won't hold back on my vitriol. Points are points, even if they're shown in a mean-spirited way.

When D & D and associated writers treat their critics with contempt by essentially saying 'Lol, you nerds actually think about this', and shit like 'themes are for eighth-grade book reports', I think people are free to talk as much shit and get as angry as they damn well please.

Also, you may note I'm taking MC and jcmontea's opinions on board and accepting them, for the most part. I'm only pissed at Megarova because she's coming up with bullshit on the fly and acting like it's completely true, guaranteed, and is laughably defending it because she doesn't want to accept that maybe, D & D are just a touch flawed.

What are you trying to achieve here by white knighting?

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6 minutes ago, Zapho said:

The point was not that you're the nerd in the basement out of sync with society. It was that you're the nerd who thinks his opinions are above other people's. Which you sadly proved with your post. 

Maybe I do have a superiority complex. Doesn't render my opinions invalid, unless you subscribe to postmodern ideas like 'Hitler saying a tennis ball won't fit in the neck of a wine bottle means that a tennis ball does fit in the neck of a wine bottle.'

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6 hours ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

When D & D and associated writers treat their critics with contempt by essentially saying 'Lol, you nerds actually think about this', and shit like 'themes are for eighth-grade book reports',

Critics? How about fans? As in, the people who made ASOIAF a big deal and even put it on their radar in the first place?

This is the second time I heard this and it still bothers me just as much. That is so damn insulting man. I don't see how someone could think so low of a group of a people but still want their money. It's like those game execs/devs who call gamers horrible things. Okay? Why are you here then if you think so low of us?

They can dislike the fans all they want. That is fine. But when you get in bed with people you do not even respect but still want their money and views, that speaks a lot about what kind of person you are. Whichever of them said the above is a horrible human. I can respect you if you are just bad at a job, but I cannot respect horrid people.

 

Edit When I asked Benioff and Weiss if it was possible to infer any overall intentionality to the upcoming 10 episodes, they sneered. “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me

This man is an idiot, confirmed 

Edited by MrJay

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2 hours ago, MrJay said:

Critics? How about fans? As in, the people who made ASOIAF a big deal and even put it on their radar in the first place?

This is the second time I heard this and it still bothers me just as much. That is so damn insulting man. I don't see how someone could think so low of a group of a people but still want their money. It's like those game execs/devs who call gamers horrible things. Okay? Why are you here then if you think so low of us?

They can dislike the fans all they want. That is fine. But when you get in bed with people you do not even respect but still want their money and views, that speaks a lot about what kind of person you are. Whichever of them said the above is a horrible human. I can respect you if you are just bad at a job, but I cannot respect horrid people.

 

Edit When I asked Benioff and Weiss if it was possible to infer any overall intentionality to the upcoming 10 episodes, they sneered. “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me

This man is an idiot, confirmed 

That's probably the long and skinny of why I get so emotional about these things. D & D's attitude and creative process represents everything wrong with today's cynical entertainment industry.

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Regarding Littlefinger's contrived trial, when he thought the charges leveled were against Arya what murder did he think she was being accused of?

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39 minutes ago, Southron Gourd said:

Regarding Littlefinger's contrived trial, when he thought the charges leveled were against Arya what murder did he think she was being accused of?

It doesn't matter, all they wanted was a cool moment of turning it to 'LORD BAELISH' so the Dank Memers could superimpose sunglasses onto Sophie Turner's dead eyes while overused clips of gamers/memelords screaming or airhorns play underneath.

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I ... don't know if rant and rave is the right thread. I mean we can rant for you if you wish .... Ok, let's try ...

... and obviously Sandra wanted to accuse Wolverine for the crimes she did commit while living in Winterfell: Fooling some guards and sneaking into Littlefingers room. As Sandra has a witness (Littlefinger) and Wolverine is clearly dangerous so she had to bring enough Vale peacekeepers to apprehend her. And the punishment for a girl not coming of age would be a spanking session.

Either that or Dark Sandra wanted to kill Arya because as she learned from Ramsay the one true heir is the survivor and she has to kill all claimants.

I have no argument for what Sansa is doing. But I also don't know why Arya is in Winterfell like at all. Shouldn't Arya search Jon ?

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6 hours ago, Beardy the Wildling said:

That's probably the long and skinny of why I get so emotional about these things. D & D's attitude and creative process represents everything wrong with today's cynical entertainment industry.

I call it Michael Bay syndrome.  I was a fan of Transformers since 1984.  I had to take a break altogether from the franchise after the third movie.  Not just because the films themselves had become insulting, but because Bay's interviews made it clear that he felt the fans were unrelenting nerds that were way too wrapped up in the past and needed to get over themselves because "no matter how much they complain, they're gonna watch it anyway."

Well, no actually.  That interview was enough to get me to stop.  And step away from Transformers altogether for several years while I regrouped and found what I actually liked about it to begin with.  (And it sure as hell wasn't Bay's shitty attitude towards the fans.)

D&D are on that path.  I honestly think if it were just me I probably would have stopped watching by the end of this season.  But my wife is all in on it until it's over.  So I know I'll see the next season.  And that makes me feel a bit queasy.  I really despise supporting arrogant people that have proven they don't deserve my time, my attention, nor my money.  And D&D have gone WAY out of their way to prove they deserve none of it.

On the bright side, my wife has given up watching the after the episode segments.  She said their attitude in those segments ruins the show for her, so she at least sees what I've seen.  She's just trying to ignore it and enjoy the spectacle.

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1 hour ago, Dragons Are Real said:

I call it Michael Bay syndrome.  I was a fan of Transformers since 1984.  I had to take a break altogether from the franchise after the third movie.  Not just because the films themselves had become insulting, but because Bay's interviews made it clear that he felt the fans were unrelenting nerds that were way too wrapped up in the past and needed to get over themselves because "no matter how much they complain, they're gonna watch it anyway."

Well, no actually.  That interview was enough to get me to stop.  And step away from Transformers altogether for several years while I regrouped and found what I actually liked about it to begin with.  (And it sure as hell wasn't Bay's shitty attitude towards the fans.)

D&D are on that path.  I honestly think if it were just me I probably would have stopped watching by the end of this season.  But my wife is all in on it until it's over.  So I know I'll see the next season.  And that makes me feel a bit queasy.  I really despise supporting arrogant people that have proven they don't deserve my time, my attention, nor my money.  And D&D have gone WAY out of their way to prove they deserve none of it.

On the bright side, my wife has given up watching the after the episode segments.  She said their attitude in those segments ruins the show for her, so she at least sees what I've seen.  She's just trying to ignore it and enjoy the spectacle.

Yeah, I think that's it for me. I'd be more forgiving of the show if D & D didn't clearly think they were inspired geniuses that are revolutionary and they do shit like 'crush the sexism debate' and have cutting religious commentary (I think their commentary is about nuanced as a wannabe fourth-wave radfem and an edgy teenage atheist respectively, and I'm an outspoken egalitarian atheist myself). They say they write for the smart people, but the moment the smart people criticise them they're like 'yeah there's a lot of losers who give a shit about dumb shit like themes and consistency, but they're wrong because we're still making money'.

Like, there's a difference between just making mistakes and being arrogant, unapologetic, near-deliberately hack-like assholes.

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