Season 8 Predictions?

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

4 minutes ago, jcmontea said:

I loved Season 7. Loved Beyond the Wall. The whole Dany Jon relationship and their individual arcs really worked for me. Cersei and Jaime were amazing. All the Dragon stuff. Viserion’s death hit me in the stomach. The reunions. It was great. 

There were some things that didn’t quite work or I wish had been handled differently. I wasn’t crazy about the Arya/ Sansa stuff. I get that they would have fought, i just would have wished that instead of structure it as a mystery/ suspense tale of will they kill each other or not they would have structured it as a regular drama of two sisters fighting because they grew so far apart and different but who are able to find each other again in the face of a common threat. I also think they should have spent a little more time explaining the strategic backdrop of the war, how Cersei/ Euron had such an informtation advantage relative to Varys, why Tyrion thinks his sister would listen to Jaime. I get why they did 7 episodes, but even just one more episode would have been nice. There where just slightly too many things handled with a little too much screen and narative economy for my tastes.

But overall I thought it was great. 

I think some of what you are talking about will be resolved next year.

I would have liked to have seen the Arya-Sansa thing developed a little more before killing Little Finger. I know they cut a confab between Sansa and Bran, but they could have done something between Sansa and Lord Royce.  She would need to make sure she had Royce on-side before making her move, so orchestrating a conversation between them with a degree of ambiguity (maybe with Arya or LF spying) might have added to the impact of the final reveal.

An extra Tyrion/Varys scene would have been good too.  Only because Varys was under-utilized this year and scenes between those two tend to be good.  Also, I share a theory as to what's going  on with Varys and dropping another hint would be good.

[jcmontea]

1 minute ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

I think some of what you are talking about will be resolved next year.

I would have liked to have seen the Arya-Sansa thing developed a little more before killing Little Finger. I know they cut a confab between Sansa and Bran, but they could have done something between Sansa and Lord Royce.  She would need to make sure she had Royce on-side before making her move, so orchestrating a conversation between them with a degree of ambiguity (maybe with Arya or LF spying) might have added to the impact of the final reveal.

An extra Tyrion/Varys scene would have been good too.  Only because Varys was under-utilized this year and scenes between those two tend to be good.  Also, I share a theory as to what's going  on with Varys and dropping another hint would be good.

I agree. I am very curious to see how i react to season 7 once 8 comes out, 

my appreciation for season 5 increased significantly once 6 came out. To the point where i almost see them both as one season now since so many of the character acrs that start in season 5 don’t resolve themselves until season 6. 

[Meera of Tarth]

9 hours ago, jcmontea said:

Maybe you should just accept that you have a subjective opinion that the show sucks and has declined in quality.

I'm actually being quite objective, maybe you should accept the same.

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Many other people have equally valid subjective opinions that the show is great and is as good now as it was in the past. Doesn’t mean they are stupid, or casual viewers, or influenced by what is popular etc. Just different subjective opinions reacting to the same work of art. 

I agree with the bolded, I have not said the contrary.

[Meera of Tarth]

9 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

So, hypothetical award show rigging and hypothetical clandestine leaking of footage and scripts explains a viewership jump from 6.88 million in season 5 to 10.26 million in season 7, and, (season 7) 95% critics and 92% audience scores on rotten tomatoes?

D&D clearly are geniuses.

Edit: Evil Geniuses.

In regards to understanding the market, they are (if they are behind the leaks). We will have to disagree on being genuises in terms of script-writing.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

1 hour ago, Meera of Tarth said:

In regards to understanding the market, they are (if they are behind the leaks). We will have to disagree on being genuises in terms of script-writing.

Yup.
And Game of Thrones is what they'd be working on when taking time off from being Emperors of the universe. Forgetting that there's no proof for any of this, pulling off what you're claiming doesn't take genius at "understanding the market".  It takes actual magical powers.

[Meera of Tarth]

2 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Yup.
And Game of Thrones is what they'd be working on when taking time off from being Emperors of the universe. Forgetting that there's no proof for any of this, pulling off what you're claiming doesn't take genius at "understanding the market".  It takes actual magical powers.

Actually hbo india and hbo Spain leaked two epusodes 

[4 Eyed Crow]

In season 8, we will finally find out the ending to Tyrion's honeycomb and jackass story/joke.

[Blackwater Revenant]

21 hours ago, jcmontea said:

He is not crediting them with attracting viewers like yourself. As you said, you were hooked based on the source material. He is crediting them with succesfully adapting these books into the biggest TV show in the world. +95% of the show audience is not people like you who watch because they read the books.

He is crediting them with creating a show that appeals to that many people and he makes a very good point that adapting material is hard and a lot of crap entertainment gets made that is not as popular as GoT nor as critically aclaimed as GoT despite having good source material from which to draw.

No, that's exactly what he's arguing. These are the quotes of his that I responded to.

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On the contrary, the show runners are obviously geniuses.  You know how I know? Because there is no shortage of people who love to come on these boards and criticize everything from major events to meaningless triva or who constantly bitch about what hacks D&D are.  Yet, these same people have tuned in to the show religiously for seven years.  Anyone who can do that is clearly a titan of cinema.

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No. the criteria was that there are people on these boards who think the show is shit. Despite this opinion, they continue to consume shit.  Instead of waving off the next helping of shit, they complain about the previous helping of shit and ask for another steaming bowl of shit. They have done so without fail for seven years. Anyone who can convince people to eat shit for seven years is a pretty sharp cookie. 

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By almost any metric aside from your own subjective tastes this show has been an incredible success. They deserve credit for that regardless of whether or not you want to give it.

Wrong again. I don't dispute the the show is an incredible success. I would have to be an ignorant fool to make such an argument. My stance is that the success of the show is due to many varying factors, the least of which would be the involvement of D&D.

20 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

1. They. CREATED. The. Show.  I'd call that a bloody great big contribution, wouldn't you?

Sure, but their contributions as a result of them being the creators producers of the show has nothing to do with the reason I continue to watch.

...and if they were talented geniuses as you posit, they would be able to adapt such amazing source material in a manner that would satisfy all demographics of their audience. Not just pandering to the casual viewer that doesn't care about awfully story telling - many of, who still don't even know the names of the main characters - while alienating and pissing off the fans of books, and of intelligent well thought out story telling. You know, the audience that made their show a success in the first place, and are the reason that D&D didn't receive pink slips after season one.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

1 hour ago, Meera of Tarth said:

Actually hbo india and hbo Spain leaked two epusodes 

Uh, huh.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

 

48 minutes ago, Blackwater Revenant said:

No, that's exactly what he's arguing. These are the quotes of his that I responded to.

Wrong again. I don't dispute the the show is an incredible success. I would have to be an ignorant fool to make such an argument. My stance is that the success of the show is due to many varying factors, the least of which would be the involvement of D&D.

Sure, but their contributions as a result of them being the creators producers of the show has nothing to do with the reason I continue to watch.

...and if they were talented geniuses as you posit, they would be able to adapt such amazing source material in a manner that would satisfy all demographics of their audience. Not just pandering to the casual viewer that doesn't care about awfully story telling - many of, who still don't even know the names of the main characters - while alienating and pissing off the fans of books, and of intelligent well thought out story telling. You know, the audience that made their show a success in the first place, and are the reason that D&D didn't receive pink slips after season one.

Right. This coming from the person who effectively said no adaptation of ASOIAF would be too shitty to consume, spare me.

So tell me, how is the porn parody?  How's the GAY porn parody?  Does Martins brilliance shine through?

 

 

[Blackwater Revenant]

18 hours ago, Meera of Tarth said:

I miss those days! I was an Unsullied and I thought the show was good, and it entertained me. How disappointed I was when after Reading the books (after season 4) I watched season 5! I completely agree with you, they'd not have renewed for a second season without the source material.

Me too!!! During the first three seasons GoT was one of, if not the only show that that excited me, and I looked forward to watching.

And that is something that I can give credit to D&D for. I think they are talentless hacks when it comes to writing their own story, but they have shown that when they put their minds to it, they are capable of adapting the writing of others. Although in hind sight, you can see some of their crappy writing peaking through in the first few seasons, it wasn't near as prominent as you see now, and I thought they did a fairly decent job back then.

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I hope season 8 is better because in theory it's supposed to be inspired again by the autor of ASOIAF, and I'd really like to enjoy it. They are very bad inventing stuff.

Yes, we can only hope so, although that is the mind set I've entered previous seasons with, and was sorely let down.

[Blackwater Revenant]

18 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

So tell me, how is the porn parody?  How's the GAY porn parody?  Does Martins brilliance shine through?

Better than D&D's adaption. Far more consistent character development, less plot holes and gratuitous nudity.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

13 minutes ago, Blackwater Revenant said:

Better than D&D's adaption. Far more consistent character development, less plot holes and gratuitous nudity.

Ah, you're squeamish about nudity yet you managed to choke down the porn parodies and a series of novels containing some extremely graphic depictions of sex.

Fascinating.

[Blackwater Revenant]

18 hours ago, jcmontea said:

If the last few seasons have been so bad why do the ratings just keep going up? 

i find it odd to say the show is so bad now that had it been like this it would not have been renewed yet the ratings continue to go up. 

So clearly there is a big enough group that is liking the recent seasons enough so that they continue recomending it to people.

 

Nobody is disputing that this is the case. It's already been explained to you why. You can reject those reasons all you want, doesn't change the fact that it's true.

[Blackwater Revenant]

2 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Ah, you're squeamish about nudity yet you managed to choke down the porn parodies and a series of novels containing some extremely graphic depictions of sex.

Fascinating.

For the love of the Seven, please stop trying to put words in my mouth. What makes you think that I am squeamish about nudity?

[Blackwater Revenant]

16 hours ago, jcmontea said:

What you write here could apply to every show. But not every show has the continued growth in popularity that GoT has. Most shows that suffer actual declines in quality also start suffering declining ratings and lose popularity as people abandon the show. 

The fact that that has not happened with GoT and in fact the opposite has happened, suggests to me that any perceived decline in quality is either not a universal opinion or whatever decline in quality is simply not that material. 

No other shows that you can compare to GoT were even close to having the same level of ground breaking source material, with such avid and dedicated fans to draw from, nor did they benefit from the largest budget ever allocated to a tv show in history, or the ability to draw an audience with state of the art CGI dragons and battle scenes. Again, this is what made the show a cultural phenomenon, these contributions by GRRM and HBO, not D&D.

[Blackwater Revenant]

15 hours ago, jcmontea said:

Maybe you should just accept that you have a subjective opinion that the show sucks and has declined in quality. Many other people have equally valid subjective opinions that the show is great and is as good now as it was in the past. Doesn’t mean they are stupid, or casual viewers, or influenced by what is popular etc. Just different subjective opinions reacting to the same work of art. 

Whether it's a good show as far as the ability to entertain people and draw a large following is subjective. Whether it's a good show in regards to the quality of writing judged by literary standards is not. By Benioff's own admission, his scripts wouldn't get a passing mark from an eighth grade English teacher.

[jcmontea]

17 minutes ago, Blackwater Revenant said:

Whether it's a good show as far as the ability to entertain people and draw a large following is subjective. Whether it's a good show in regards to the quality of writing judged by literary standards is not. By Benioff's own admission, his scripts wouldn't get a passing mark from an eighth grade English teacher.

Do you even know what those words mean? 

“writing judged by literary standards” is inherently subjective. 

Whether “its a good show as far as the ability to entertain people and draw a large following” is objective. It either has a large following or it does not and that following can be measured through ratings and piracy figures. We don’t have to depend on anyone’s interpretation. 

[Blackwater Revenant]

13 minutes ago, jcmontea said:

Do you even know what those words mean? 

I do, but apparently you don't know what literary standards are.

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“writing judged by literary standards” is inherently subjective. 

No it's not. A work of literature either has plot holes and inconsistencies, etc. or it doesn't. That can be determined objectively.

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Whether “its a good show as far as the ability to entertain people and draw a large following” is objective. It either has a large following or it does not and that following can be measured through ratings and piracy figures. We don’t have to depend on anyone’s interpretation. 

You are describing whether or not it is successful, which is objective. That all of those followers think it's a good show is a subjective opinion.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

39 minutes ago, Blackwater Revenant said:

For the love of the Seven, please stop trying to put words in my mouth. What makes you think that I am squeamish about nudity?

Special.

20 minutes ago, Blackwater Revenant said:

Whether it's a good show as far as the ability to entertain people and draw a large following is subjective. Whether it's a good show in regards to the quality of writing judged by literary standards is not. By Benioff's own admission, his scripts wouldn't get a passing mark from an eighth grade English teacher.

No. The show has objectively has and average viewership of 10 million plus for season 7.  It is objectively the most popular series in HBO history.

 

2 hours ago, Blackwater Revenant said:

..and if they were talented geniuses as you posit, they would be able to adapt such amazing source material in a manner that would satisfy all demographics of their audience. Not just pandering to the casual viewer that doesn't care about awfully story telling - many of, who still don't even know the names of the main characters - while alienating and pissing off the fans of books, and of intelligent well thought out story telling. You know, the audience that made their show a success in the first place, and are the reason that D&D didn't receive pink slips after season one.

1. I am not a pandering casual viewer and I'm a big fan of the show. You think you speak for all the hard core fans?  Go watch your porn parody.

2. The "all demographics" comment along with your other comments demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to adaptations.  I would explain it but why bother?