The Sunland Lord Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 5 hours ago, Falcon2909 said: Master of Whisperers: Ilyn Payne Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon Master of Ships: Drogo Master of Laws: Gregor Clegane Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Penny Hand of the King: Moon Boy for all I know... OMG yours is the worst already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihlus Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Robert is not a bad economist (or he wasn't bad at appointing one, anyway). GRRM just doesn't know how economics work. The economy under Aerys was supposedly doing great, because at the end of a massive civil war, the Crown's vaults were overflowing with gold. This is then used to bash Robert for supposedly spending so much that the Crown is in debt. Money that the Crown loans to people (what LF does, and the same people Tyrion then allows Joffrey to throw off the walls because some of them wanted to help Stannis in the battle), when LF explicitly made the Crown's income several times more than it was through very simple economics. All that money Robert "wasted"? Loaned or funneled directly into the economy. Like how a government should be spending its money. On top of the crown's income being increased, public events like tourneys being thrown at apparently greater frequency, and tons of money being loaned out, with increased ties to the world's largest bank to boot, Robert has been throwing money into the Crownlands' economy to the point that the capital city is as wealthy and developed as ever a mere 15 years after Tywin brutaly sacks it in an orgy of murder and pillage. This spending is treated by the fans as a waste of perfectly hoardable money, like that makes any damn sense. The Targaryens by contrast, in 300 years, built a few hundred kilometers of dirt road to connect to the one built by the Storm Kings, and then renamed it the "King's Road". That's the sum total of their investment in their kingdom's infrastructure and economic development. The worst Master of Coin would be Tywin, probably. That the royal vaults were still filled to the brim with gold while apparently no loans were being given out and none of it was being devoted to infrastructure speaks very poorly about his ability as an economist, as does his policy crippling the trade city of Duskendale in an attempt to boost the status of Lannisport (which is on the wrong fucking side of the continent and so should not be that useful as a trade node). Unless that was Aerys. Tywin also seems to be under the impression that real life works like a C&C game where infinite gold = infinite power, instead of the massive infusion of gold just devaluing it like what happened when the Spaniards started importing shit loads of gold and silver from the New World. To be fair, it seems GRRM agrees with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lya's Winter Rose Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Master of Whisperers: Moon Boy Master of Coin: Aegon IV Master of Ships: Steffon Baratheon Master of Laws: Ramsay Bolton Grand Maester: Hodor Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Robert Arryn Hand of the King: Patchface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Highland Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Master of Whisperers: Wun Wun Master of Coin: Lynnesse Hightwer Master of Ships: Khal Drogo Master of Laws: Vargo Goat Grand Maester: Tormund Giantsbane Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Old Nan Hand of the King: Nimble Dick High Septon: Craster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romaine3 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 @Lord Highland I think that Old Nan would be an effective LC! Anyone who dared to approach the king would be first subjected to sitting down with Old Nan. After a few of her "scary" tales, whatever sinister ideas they may of had initially will have disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe of Generic Hall Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Hand of the King: Edmure Tully Grand Maester: Aeron Damphair Master of Coin: Jorah Mormont Master of Whispers: Mace Tyrell Master of Ships: Quentyn Martell Master of Laws: Walder Frey Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Ser Dontos Hollard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Master of whispers: Hallis Mollen Master of coin: Illifer the Penniless (I just think that alias is an awesome one for a master of coin) Grand maester: Cellador Master of ships: Gylbert Farwynd (buh bye Royal Fleet, off to explore neverland) Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Jaime Lannister. Can't argue with this one. Having a dude known as kingslayer as your personal guard commander is the weirdest choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Hand of the king ; Joffrey Baratheon Lord of Ships ; Boros Blount Lord of Whispers ; Jinglebell Lord of Coin ; Petyr Baelish Master of Laws ; Renly Baratheon Grand Maester ; Walgrave Commander of the King's Guard IIyn Payne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon2909 Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 7 hours ago, BRANDON GREYSTARK said: Hand of the king ; Joffrey Baratheon Lord of Ships ; Boros Blount Lord of Whispers ; Jinglebell Lord of Coin ; Petyr Baelish Master of Laws ; Renly Baratheon Grand Maester ; Walgrave Commander of the King's Guard IIyn Payne Why is Walgrave a bad maester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 23 hours ago, Falcon2909 said: Master of Whisperers: Ilyn Payne Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon Master of Ships: Drogo Master of Laws: Gregor Clegane Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Penny Hand of the King: Moon Boy for all I know... Well, there's a meme out there for Game of Thrones saying that Boltons would make good Maesters. Remember Spoiler Sam flaying Jorah to get all the greyscale off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Eyed Crow Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Master of Whisperers: Hodor Master of Coin: Patchface Master of Laws: Viserys Targaryen Grand Maester: Mirri Maz Duur Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Jinglebell Hand of the King: Robert/Robin Arryn Keeper of Wine: Tyrion Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elder brother jonothor dar Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On Sunday, September 03, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Falcon2909 said: Master of Whisperers: Ilyn Payne Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon Master of Ships: Drogo Master of Laws: Gregor Clegane Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Penny Hand of the King: Moon Boy for all I know... Whispers - Stannis, would probably kill most of his informants for braking and entertaining. Coin - Tytos Lannister Ships - Brandon (burner) Stark Laws - Robert, would probably forgive anyone without the last name Targ after a few pints. Grand Maester - Euron Lord Commander - Balon Swann Hand - Joff/Cersi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Master of Whisperers - Ser Dontos Hollard Master of Coin - Ser Jorah Mormont Master of Ships - Gendry (electronic visual version) Master of Laws - Robert Arryn (make the bad men fly!) Grand Maester - Marwyn the Mage, who sadly seems to relate everything to injured gentalia Hand of the King - Hizdhar zo Loraq Lord Commander of the Kingsguard - Ser Meryn Trant Master of Revels - Stannis Baratheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gravepisser Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Retching Rodric as master of the ships I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 9:27 AM, Falcon2909 said: Why is Walgrave a bad maester? He is long past his prime , considering that he keeps the title of Archmaester out of courtesy and once he was know for his ravencraft now he is known for soiled night clothes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Hand, Master of Whisperers, and Grand Maester: Qyburn. Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Robert Strong. General Hanger-on Without Portfolio: Jaime Lannister. Master of Ships: Empty. We can trust Euron to do any naval stuff, because I'm sure he'd never have a different agenda than the Crown Master of Laws: Empty. Who needs laws? Master of Coin: Empty. Who needs coin? If worst comes to worst, we can just sack one of our own realms to pay off our overdue debts and then immediately borrow new money. Every other position: Empty. Who needs a council? I'd also leave most of the Lords Paramount in abeyance for years on end to make sure they're governed just as efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raksha 2014 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 9/3/2017 at 9:54 AM, Falcon2909 said: Master of Whisperers: Ilyn Payne Master of Coin: Robert Baratheon Master of Ships: Drogo Master of Laws: Gregor Clegane Grand Maester: Ramsay Bolton Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Penny Hand of the King: Moon Boy for all I know... Master of Whisperers: Ned Stark Master of Coin: Robin Arryn Master of Ships: Sam Tarly Master of Laws: Cersei Lannister Grand Maester: Sandor Clegane Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Petyr Baelish a.k.a. "Ser Petyr the Little" Hand of the King: Ser Bronn of the Blackwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairwarging Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/3/2017 at 1:43 PM, Nihlus said: Robert is not a bad economist (or he wasn't bad at appointing one, anyway). GRRM just doesn't know how economics work. The economy under Aerys was supposedly doing great, because at the end of a massive civil war, the Crown's vaults were overflowing with gold. This is then used to bash Robert for supposedly spending so much that the Crown is in debt. Money that the Crown loans to people (what LF does, and the same people Tyrion then allows Joffrey to throw off the walls because some of them wanted to help Stannis in the battle), when LF explicitly made the Crown's income several times more than it was through very simple economics. All that money Robert "wasted"? Loaned or funneled directly into the economy. Like how a government should be spending its money. On top of the crown's income being increased, public events like tourneys being thrown at apparently greater frequency, and tons of money being loaned out, with increased ties to the world's largest bank to boot, Robert has been throwing money into the Crownlands' economy to the point that the capital city is as wealthy and developed as ever a mere 15 years after Tywin brutaly sacks it in an orgy of murder and pillage. This spending is treated by the fans as a waste of perfectly hoardable money, like that makes any damn sense. The Targaryens by contrast, in 300 years, built a few hundred kilometers of dirt road to connect to the one built by the Storm Kings, and then renamed it the "King's Road". That's the sum total of their investment in their kingdom's infrastructure and economic development. The worst Master of Coin would be Tywin, probably. That the royal vaults were still filled to the brim with gold while apparently no loans were being given out and none of it was being devoted to infrastructure speaks very poorly about his ability as an economist, as does his policy crippling the trade city of Duskendale in an attempt to boost the status of Lannisport (which is on the wrong fucking side of the continent and so should not be that useful as a trade node). Unless that was Aerys. Tywin also seems to be under the impression that real life works like a C&C game where infinite gold = infinite power, instead of the massive infusion of gold just devaluing it like what happened when the Spaniards started importing shit loads of gold and silver from the New World. To be fair, it seems GRRM agrees with him. This makes me never want to be a writer. I was envying GRRM for his extensive knowledge on warfare and castle architecture bc I've tried to write historical fiction and found however much you think you know you never know enough. But I can learn that- economics? Hell no. Luckily nobody wants to hear about the economy beyond "Oh no our gold's run out!" "Look, cool shady bankers doing cool shady things!" "Wheeere is Littlefinger getting all this gold?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon2909 Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, fairwarging said: This makes me never want to be a writer. I was envying GRRM for his extensive knowledge on warfare and castle architecture bc I've tried to write historical fiction and found however much you think you know you never know enough. But I can learn that- economics? Hell no. Luckily nobody wants to hear about the economy beyond "Oh no our gold's run out!" "Look, cool shady bankers doing cool shady things!" "Wheeere is Littlefinger getting all this gold?" What was Aragorn's Robert's tax policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThreeEyedCow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Master of Whisperers: Yellow Dick Master of Coin: Dolorous Ed Master of Ships: Brienne Master of Laws: Walder Frey Grand Maester: Cotter Pyke Lord Commander of the Kingsguard: Old Nan Hand of the King: Ramsey Bolton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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