snow is the man

so why was the wight that they had so hard to kill when the rest weren't? Found it odd that it was like the wight from season one and the books

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At hardhome and at the adventure north of the wall to capture a wight the dead could be killed far easier. We saw tormound at hardhome throw that sword he had and it killed a wight and alot of stuff like that. At the wight hunt just last episode they were killed easily. The hound used that hammer to kill them just by hitting them it the chest and some other did it with regular swords and such. So why was this wight able to be cut in half,impaled on a dragon spike,had it's arm cut off and still lived. To top it off the limbs that were cut off still moved. Don't get me wrong I think the dead are better that way but why did it change all of a sudden? Was I the only one who noticed it

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Only fire and dragonglass kill wights (in the show). Other weapons can disable part of them, specially if the bones are broken (the magic goes away).

During the wight hunt, they were somehow prepared. This image shows this well:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/RZxyM.jpg

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If you dismember a wight with regular swords, the limbs still move and they don't die. (Killed by fire and dragonglass) But the dismembered parts aren't as dangerous, so maybe that's why nobody paid attention to the parts that were badly damaged by the warhammer. 

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5 hours ago, snow is the man said:

The hound used that hammer to kill them just by hitting them

 

Was I the only one who noticed it

No, actually you missed something. The hammer was inefective. He hit with that hammer the same wight, whom he previously hit with the stone, and that wight fell on the ice, but then it got up, and went again to attack the Hound. And when Hound saw this, he took out dragonglass dagger, and from then on fought with it.

5 hours ago, snow is the man said:

some other did it with regular swords and such

They used regular swords to cut or dismember wights. Because daggers are short, and some wights have swords. So fighting against them with only a closerange weapon, like daggers, would be a suicide.

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During the wight hunt, Beric and Thoros had castle steel swords that were lit on fire through blood magic, Jon had Longclaw, a valyrian steel, aka dragonsteel, blade, everybody else was using secondary weapons made of obsidian/dragonglass (the spears the redshirts had may have also been obsidian/dragonglass).

At the Dragonpit, the Hound cut the wight up with a castle steel sword. Jon set the wight's detached hand on fire, and then stabbed the upper torso with an absurdly sized and shaped obsidian/dragonglass blade.

 

 

Hardhome is probably a continuity error, or VFX failure, if at Hardhome the wights hit with normal weapons didn't keep moving, even if they were dismembered. Haven't rewatched Hardhome lately, so can't really say.

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14 hours ago, snow is the man said:

At hardhome and at the adventure north of the wall to capture a wight the dead could be killed far easier. We saw tormound at hardhome throw that sword he had and it killed a wight and alot of stuff like that. At the wight hunt just last episode they were killed easily. The hound used that hammer to kill them just by hitting them it the chest and some other did it with regular swords and such. So why was this wight able to be cut in half,impaled on a dragon spike,had it's arm cut off and still lived. To top it off the limbs that were cut off still moved. Don't get me wrong I think the dead are better that way but why did it change all of a sudden? Was I the only one who noticed it

Bad writting/plot demanded it. The funner response is the nights king is just toying with evreyyone. Hell it appears he know the group was coming, let them killsome of his men, surrounded them, could of killed them at any time but choose not to. Easily killed a far away dragon, let the other bigger dragon go, than he even let jon escape. It like he thinks its a joke that mare humans are going against him and do not even warrant being taken seriously. 

 

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16 hours ago, UnViserion said:

The plot demanded it.

This the one and only explanation

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I think the all-bone wights are easier to kill.  They just break up.  But if they have some meat on them, they are more difficult to kill.

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22 hours ago, Kytheros said:

During the wight hunt, Beric and Thoros had castle steel swords that were lit on fire through blood magic, Jon had Longclaw, a valyrian steel, aka dragonsteel, blade, everybody else was using secondary weapons made of obsidian/dragonglass (the spears the redshirts had may have also been obsidian/dragonglass).

At the Dragonpit, the Hound cut the wight up with a castle steel sword. Jon set the wight's detached hand on fire, and then stabbed the upper torso with an absurdly sized and shaped obsidian/dragonglass blade.

 

 

Hardhome is probably a continuity error, or VFX failure, if at Hardhome the wights hit with normal weapons didn't keep moving, even if they were dismembered. Haven't rewatched Hardhome lately, so can't really say.

There's an awfully glaring part where Jon stabs a wight trying to break through the wall with Longclaw and dude keeps on a' kicking, that bit really annoyed me.

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If you look at 4x10 decapitating a wight also seemed to kill it... that is until it started moving again and stabbed Jojen to death. I guess some accept defeat more readily than others. 

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On 9/4/2017 at 4:19 PM, Hoo said:

I think the all-bone wights are easier to kill.  They just break up.  But if they have some meat on them, they are more difficult to kill.

I will accept this

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On 09/03/2017 at 11:02 PM, Tucu said:

During the wight hunt, they were somehow prepared. This image shows this well:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/RZxyM.jpg

Except that at the beginning of the episode Tormund has a war axe (steel or copper) and suddenly the axe disappears and is replaced by the bizarre dragonglass haleberd. This is so amateurish…

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16 hours ago, Nowy Tends said:

Except that at the beginning of the episode Tormund has a war axe (steel or copper) and suddenly the axe disappears and is replaced by the bizarre dragonglass haleberd. This is so amateurish…

They all had their normal primary weapons, and dragonglass secondaries. Tormund switched to his secondary.

The guys with spears might have had dragonglass spears as primary weapons though.

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On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 8:48 PM, Starkistbeforethedawn said:

There's an awfully glaring part where Jon stabs a wight trying to break through the wall with Longclaw and dude keeps on a' kicking, that bit really annoyed me.

Jon says fire and dragonglass, we are never told valyrian steal kills wights.

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If you guys want a continuity error, how about the dragons not just firebombing the few white walkers standing alone at the top of the hill clearly marking themselves.

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8 minutes ago, aryagonnakill#2 said:

If you guys want a continuity error, how about the dragons not just firebombing the few white walkers standing alone at the top of the hill clearly marking themselves.

How is that a continuity error? Daenerys and the dragons have never seen a White Walker before. They don't know what the White Walkers look like, what they are capable of and are not predisposed to attack them on sight.
Their sole focus was clearing the area around the survivors of wights and then getting the hell out of there.
For all we know, Daenerys probably didn't even notice the White Walkers until the Nightking killed Viserion, and at that point it was too late to attack them, so fleeing was the right call. Good thing too, because it seems that the Nightking (unsure about the WW's) are immune to both fire and dragonfire.

 

 

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1 hour ago, MinscS2 said:

How is that a continuity error? Daenerys and the dragons have never seen a White Walker before. They don't know what the White Walkers look like, what they are capable of and are not predisposed to attack them on sight.
Their sole focus was clearing the area around the survivors of wights and then getting the hell out of there.
For all we know, Daenerys probably didn't even notice the White Walkers until the Nightking killed Viserion, and at that point it was too late to attack them, so fleeing was the right call. Good thing too, because it seems that the Nightking (unsure about the WW's) are immune to both fire and dragonfire.

 

 

Continuity was probably the wrong word, fair enough.  But completely illogical still applies.  When your a thousand feet up on a dragon you'd have an excellent view, and having seen them before or not, that was a completely missed opportunity.  It would not have been hard to distinguish the leader.

We have absolutely no knowledge that WW's/night king are immune to dragonfire.

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2 minutes ago, aryagonnakill#2 said:

Continuity was probably the wrong word, fair enough.  But completely illogical still applies.  When your a thousand feet up on a dragon you'd have an excellent view, and having seen them before or not, that was a completely missed opportunity.  It would not have been hard to distinguish the leader.

We have absolutely no knowledge that WW's/night king are immune to dragonfire.

When you're a thousand feet up on a dragon you won't see the difference between a horse and a handful of wights, and remember that she wasn't actively looking for them either, her focus was on the survivors. Besides, she had no idea that the wights would all disintegrate if the WW's died. In those 10 seconds it would've taken her to aim for the WW's to possibly kill them, Jon and his crew would've been swarmed and killed. She came to their rescue at the very last second.

We do, we see him walk over dragonfire in this very episode, and just like regular fire it dissipates when he gets close.

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Why is anyone pretending that the answer is anything other than: 

On 9/3/2017 at 9:48 PM, UnViserion said:

The plot demanded it.

I mean, you'd think from the forum that people assumed D & D are capable of anything other than writing SHOCKING™ scenes.

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