princess brittany

sansa, arya, and dany

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7 minutes ago, Deminelle said:

Arya should be thrilled to see the dragons.

Totally. Given what we know of Arya, Daenerys should be a hero to her. Not only is she a dragonrider like Visenya, she is a conqueror like Aegon and she loves her "brother".

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4 hours ago, Risto said:

In case, Gilly knows that Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, which she doesn't.

So what? Doesn't matter what she doesn't know, what's important is that piece of information that she does have.

She will hear familiar surname during introductions, and will blurt out something like: You're Targaryen? Are you, by any chance, related to Rhaegar Targaryen? Because, funny thing, just recently I have read in some maester's diary, that Rhaegar Targaryen annuled his marriage with Elia Martell, and married with someone else in a secret ceremony.

Sam's reaction - :blink: Gillyyyyiiii that was a SEEEECREEEEET! <_<

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4 minutes ago, Megorova said:

So what? Doesn't matter what she doesn't know, what's important is that piece of information that she does have.

She will hear familiar surname during introductions, and will blurt out something like: You're Targaryen? Are you, by any chance, related to Rhaegar Targaryen? Because, funny thing, just recently I have read in some maester's diary, that Rhaegar Targaryen annuled his marriage with Elia Martell, and married with someone else in a secret ceremony.

Sam's reaction - :blink: Gillyyyyiiii that was a SEEEECREEEEET! <_<

Bran next: "It was a beautiful wedding... and then you were born, Aegon." Looks at Jon. Then at Dany: "You'll have his baby."

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8 hours ago, Kytheros said:

Actually ... I think Bran and Sam, while they're going to tell Jon as soon as they can, they're going to tell Jon in private. Then it'll be up to Jon to either sit on it, try to figure out who he can talk to about it, or tell people about it.

That is, unless Daenerys says something about being the rightful Queen of the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms in front of Bran that triggers his Three Eyed Raven uncontrolled words mode, and he drops the identity bomb then and there.

 

 

That said, I'm rather looking forward to the Bran/Jon and Arya/Jon reunions. Also, the Sam/Jon reunion.

And the Stark siblings/Daenerys introductions and interactions; Bran's weird enough that Daenerys might try to minimize interactions with him, but if she is brought to believe in what he can do, he's a potential window into the past of her family; Sansa and Arya, however, aren't robots like Bran, and are Jon's beloved sisters - normally, you want your significant other's family to like you - and can tell her things about him that he won't, but they're also going to be protective of him and suspicious/dubious of her.

But mostly the Arya/Jon reunion - and I hope the show does their relationship justice.

Lots of great stuff in your post!

Yeah, the Jon and Sam reunion will be great, too, I hadn't even thought abou that.

I hadn't thought about the possibility that Bran and Sam might tell Jon privately what they know, and that Jon might keep it private.  Could b e.

And, oh, you think Dany will try to get dirt on Jon out of Arya and Sansa??  HAR!!  Maybe, but actually, as far as I know, there IS NO dirt on Jon.  Seriously, what could they say?  "He was very quiet, very nice, kept to himself, basically perfect, never had even a single girlfriend."  (Sam's got some dirt on Jon, though, so maybe Dany can get it out of Sam...)   

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44 minutes ago, jcmontea said:

Totally. Given what we know of Arya, Daenerys should be a hero to her. Not only is she a dragonrider like Visenya, she is a conqueror like Aegon and she loves her "brother".

I DO NOT want Arya added to the Dany sycophant list.  I want the Stark children to be vehemently against Dany being their "queen" 

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1 hour ago, Megorova said:

And I'm looking forward to Sam/Dany introduction.

Dany: Hi, Sam. Nice to meet you. Thank you for curing Jorah. By the way, I roasted your father and brother.

Sam: Oh... (What to say under this circumstances?) ... Nice to meet you too, Your highness.

I suspect that since they went to truly ridiculous leghts to keep this information from Sam (I mean - first the Citadel, then the guy was travelling to Winterfell ON LAND. His father was the frigging Randyll Tarly, a lord so important that apparently the Tyrells went down in a minute after he turned on them. Seriously, how could he possibly not hear about it?), they're indeed saving it for their meeting. Then again, time will only tell if it wil be really a problem against Dany (she sould have burned anyone... but her lover's best bro's family? UNFORGIVABLE!), or a two-minutes conflict.

Sadly, I think the latter. I mean, Ellaria killed Myrcella, Tyrion burned Davos' son alive, Oberyn died as Tyrion's champion and Olenna Tyrell was the one who triggered half of that circus (ok, nobody knew about the last one), but still they worked together because oh the mighty Dany.

7 hours ago, Risto said:

When Bran drops a Targ bomb, Dany will either be thoroughly confused or enraged. Probably both.

Dany is a Targaryen, she might just decide to keep banging Jon and rule together with him as her husband, per family tradition.

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1 hour ago, Deminelle said:

Bran next: "It was a beautiful wedding... and then you were born, Aegon." Looks at Jon.

Sam's reaction: BRAAAAN!!! You promised that you will let ME tell him!

Bran: By the way, Sam, Daenerys Targaryen roasted your father and brother.

Sam: Noooooo!

Gilly: Yippee!!! (To Dany): High five! (whispers): I never liked those two.

Dany: Me too. I dislike those who doesn't bend the knee. (To Jon): I was going to roast you too that morning. But you made a right decision just on time. Though I already promised yummy breakfast to my dear children. Fortunately I found on board bastard of Usurper Robert Baratheon, and fed him to dragons instead of you.

That's where Gendry is. Answer to this thread - http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/148198-where-was-gendry/

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2 hours ago, JonSansaBranArya said:

I DO NOT want Arya added to the Dany sycophant list.  I want the Stark children to be vehemently against Dany being their "queen" 

 

I get it. But I don't think people can avoid the Dany sycophant list. That is just who Dany is.

Plus, setting aside the fact thar Dany is portrayed as the most charismatic figure in history, she is literally saving the North. 

For the Stark children to go against her when she has literally decided to protect and save their homeland would make them look like the most petty and ingrateful people ever. 

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6 minutes ago, jcmontea said:

 

I get it. But I don't think people can avoid the Dany sycophant list. That is just who Dany is.

Plus, setting aside the fact thar Dany is portrayed as the most charismatic figure in history, she is literally saving the North. 

For the Stark children to go against her when she has literally decided to protect and save their homeland would make them look like the most petty and ingrateful people ever. 

Since when does protecting and saving people equate to being deserving of  being their Queen?  

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7 minutes ago, JonSansaBranArya said:

Since when does protecting and saving people equate to being deserving of  being their Queen?  

There are lines in the book that talk about what are Kings for if not to protect people. That is why one of the titles is even protector of the realm. 

To provide security is a key piece of the job. 

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Well she's not really doing a bang up job when its her dragon that just destroyed the wall that keeps the White Walkers out

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1 minute ago, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

Well she's not really doing a bang up job when its her dragon that just destroyed the wall that keeps the White Walkers out

Your right. The people of the North are going to tell her you should have let our King die and because you didn't let him die we can't accept you.

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34 minutes ago, AryaNymeriaVisenya said:

Well she's not really doing a bang up job when its her dragon that just destroyed the wall that keeps the White Walkers out

it was clearly Daenerys idea to go wighthunting.
It was clearly Daenerys who pushed Jon to join in on this great plan.
It was clearly Daenerys idea to have them travel by foot instead of by horse.
It was clearly Daenerys idea to only bring 7 men and some redshirts.
It was clearly Daenerys idea to have them get caught on the middle of a frozen lake.
It was clearly Daenerys intent to have Viserion die to a enemy she has never faced before.
It was clearly Daenerys intent to have the Nightking win in the end.

Ah, if only she had stayed at Dragonstone. This show would've been much more entertaining if Jon, Tormund, Jorah, Beric, Sandor and Gendry had died in episode 6, don't you agree? Both the audience and the northerners would've loved her for it.

...oops, it seems I just reached the daily sarcasm quota. Shame, I really enjoy reading your posts where you continue to blame Daenerys for everything wrong that happened in this season. Hmmm, guess I wasn't entirely out of sarcasm. :rolleyes:
 

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5 minutes ago, MinscS2 said:

it was clearly Daenerys idea to go wighthunting.
It was clearly Daenerys who pushed Jon to join in on this great plan.
It was clearly Daenerys idea to have them travel by foot instead of by horse.
It was clearly Daenerys idea to only bring 7 men and some redshirts.
It was clearly Daenerys idea to have them get caught on the middle of a frozen lake.
It was clearly Daenerys intent to have Viserion die to a enemy she has never faced before.
It was clearly Daenerys intent to have the Nightking win in the end.

Ah, if only she had stayed at Dragonstone. This show would've been much more entertaining if Jon, Tormund, Jorah, Beric, Sandor and Gendry had died in episode 6, don't you agree? Both the audience and the northerners would've loved her for it.

...oops, it seems I just reached the daily sarcasm quota. Shame, I really enjoy reading your posts where you continue to blame Daenerys for everything wrong that happened in this season. Hmmm, guess I wasn't entirely out of sarcasm. :rolleyes:
 

Lol. It is all Dany's fault for trusting and listening to stupid Tyrion and Jon instead of naming Olena hand of the queen. 

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3 hours ago, Cron said:

Lots of great stuff in your post!

Yeah, the Jon and Sam reunion will be great, too, I hadn't even thought abou that.

I hadn't thought about the possibility that Bran and Sam might tell Jon privately what they know, and that Jon might keep it private.  Could b e.

And, oh, you think Dany will try to get dirt on Jon out of Arya and Sansa??  HAR!!  Maybe, but actually, as far as I know, there IS NO dirt on Jon.  Seriously, what could they say?  "He was very quiet, very nice, kept to himself, basically perfect, never had even a single girlfriend."  (Sam's got some dirt on Jon, though, so maybe Dany can get it out of Sam...)   

Well, perhaps, not so much "dirt", as all the fun childhood stories, some of which may be embarrassing to Jon, but also "what was Jon like growing up", "what does he like to do for fun when the world isn't ending", "what's his favorite color", "what's it like having Jon as a family member", "what's it like having an older brother that's not a flaming asshat", etc.

Remember, it's not like Daenerys actually knows that much personal information about Jon or his history, and there's nobody else she can really ask about him. Tyrion doesn't know that much about Jon, and what he does, he's basically already told Daenerys. Varys? Jon likely wouldn't have been someone Varys ever paid close attention to, although he may know or suspect R+L=J, but Varys would likely keep his mouth shut about that until/unless it came up some other way. Theon's gone off to get Yara, and it's not like Daenerys would've had time to grill Theon about Jon before Theon left.

 

Also, it's not impossible that an initial Arya/Jon reunion happens in front of Daenerys before she knows it's Arya jumping on Jon. Remember how their goodbye went - and that was knowing they'd see each other again - and how things have gone for them since, and remember how the Sansa/Jon reunion went, and they never got along and didn't even say goodbye to each other, and remember that Arya and Jon were a whole lot closer to each other than Sansa and Jon. Sansa and Arya even said something about how Jon would react to seeing Arya again during their reunion.

In addition, Daenerys's experiences of family relationships are going to mostly be based on the abusive relationship she had with Viserys, and the sexual undertones there, and most of the other family relationships she knows about aren't that great either - the Lannisters from Tyrion's perspective, and the Greyjoys from Theon and Yara's perspective that their uncle murdered their father and wants to do the same to them. The Stark siblings family interactions are something that's almost entirely new to her. Daenerys never really had much of a family life growing up, and definitely not one in a loving, caring family - she can have that kind of vicariously through learning about the childhood the Stark siblings and Jon had with each other.

Plus, talking about Jon is bound to be a more pleasant subject than the army of the dead, and less contentious than politics.

 

Bran and Sam telling Jon about his parentage and everything that entails seems a whole lot more like something they'd plan to do in private with him, rather than in public, so he could figure out what he wanted to do with the information instead of springing it - and everything that follows - on him (and everyone else) publicly. Although, Sam did set Jon up to be elected Lord Commander of the Night's Watch without mentioning it to him.

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3 minutes ago, jcmontea said:

Lol. It is all Dany's fault for trusting and listening to stupid Tyrion and Jon instead of naming Olena hand of the queen. 

Wasn't it Tyrion's idea to go wighthunting? Jon volunteered. Dany was like I didn't dismiss you. And he was like I'm a king. Then she said ok. 

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16 minutes ago, King Jon Snow Stark said:

Wasn't it Tyrion's idea to go wighthunting? Jon volunteered. Dany was like I didn't dismiss you. And he was like I'm a king. Then she said ok. 

Don't worry, we're just making fun of people who blame Daenerys for things she obviously had no say or part in. ;)

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32 minutes ago, King Jon Snow Stark said:

Wasn't it Tyrion's idea to go wighthunting? Jon volunteered. Dany was like I didn't dismiss you. And he was like I'm a king. Then she said ok. 

It was Tyrion's idea but Jon really gave Dany the hard sell with his talk about how he trusted in her and she needed to trust in him.

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29 minutes ago, jcmontea said:

Plus, setting aside the fact thar Dany is portrayed as the most charismatic figure in history

Can't agree with that. 80% of her charisma is her dragons, and out of remaining 20, half is her looks.

She got married to Drogo because he liked how she looked. Daario pledged himself to her, because he was interested in her body. Dany and her people were allowed to enter into Astapor, because those slavers and the Undying were interested in her dragons. She got an army of Unsullied because their master wanted to have one of her dragons. Eventually she was acknowledged as Queen of Meereen because her dragons roasted Great Masters of Meereen. She survived ambush from Sons of the Harpy thanks to Drogon. She 'conquired' all Dothrakis thanks to her dragon blood/fire resistance. And so on. Who is she without her dragons? Beautiful girl with hot temper, high ambitions and good intentions to change the world for the better (with no specific plan, or means of how to accomplish this).

While Jon Snow, bastard, that in the beginning of his path was a lowly recruit of Night's Watch, managed to become their Lord Commander in less than one year, add to that - fifth youngest Lord Commander in 8,000 years of NW's history (while the youngest ever Lord Commander was a 10 year old Osrik Stark. Though I doubt that he was chosen as their leader thanks to his feats of valor, or victories in battles. Probably his election was purely a political decision).

Jon managed to climb the Wall on his first try. How many people from this side of it, can boast of such an achievement? None. And even those wildlings that were with him, didn't all make it. Jon not only managed to reach the top, but also in the process, saved his woman from falling off the Wall. While more experienced climbers fell to their death.

Also Jon is the only person in Westeros' history who managed to reconcile and unite wildlings and northeners.

He's the only person alive, who killed not one, but TWO White Walkers. Sam killed one, but that was rather an accident than a gest. In his haste to kill Sam and retrive Little Sam, WW just ran himself into a dragonglass dagger that Sam was holding in his hand. And when Meera picked up one of Children's spears, and managed to kill with it WW, she was even more surprised of it than that Walker. Just look at her face in that scene ^_^

Add to that that Jon was often complimented/commented because of his looks, by both women and men.

So Dany is NOT the most charismatic figure in history. Jon is deservedly more charismatic than her.

Not to mention that so far, for majority of Westerosi, Dany is still overshadowed by her father the Mad King.

And the most charismatic figure in history is Aegon the Conqueror. People even resetted year count to BC and AC, before and after his conquest. While in real world we count years from birth of Jesus Christ.

Take away dragons from her, and what will be left? Nothing much -_- 

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