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u.s. politics: a cruel and unusual government

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Mr. Theobald,

Then please be more explicit with your statements.  Are you not strongly implying that the proper remedy here is to just let Trump do his thing and if we don't like it make sure someone else wins the Presidency in 2020?

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Today in: Pity The Billionaire

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/12/billionaire-investor-schwarzman-i-was-accused-by-people-of-being-a-nazi/

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 Billionaire investor Stephen Schwarzman said Tuesday that President Trump's former business councils crumbled under "astonishing" pressure after violent protests by white supremacists in Charlottesville.

According to this clown, Obama was planning to invade Poland, lookin for some lebensraum evidently, because he suggested raising taxes.

Now cries his eyes out over being compared to a Nazi. Boo hoo.

Today In:
Expansionary austerity. Or when conservatives fuck you over, man they really fuck you over.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23789

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The Great Recession and the Global Financial Crisis have left many developed countries with low interest rates and high levels of public debt, thus limiting the ability of policymakers to fight the next recession. Whether new fiscal stimulus programs would be jeopardized by these already heavy public debt burdens is a central question. For a sample of developed countries, we find that government spending shocks do not lead to persistent increases in debt-to-GDP ratios or costs of borrowing, especially during periods of economic weakness. Indeed, fiscal stimulus in a weak economy can improve fiscal sustainability along the metrics we study. Even in countries with high public debt, the penalty for activist discretionary fiscal policy appears to be small.

 


Also,
http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2017/september/disappointing-facts-about-black-white-wage-gap/

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The most important fact highlighted by our decomposition is that a significant portion of the wage gap between blacks and whites is not traceable to differences in easily measured characteristics, but rather is unexplained within our model (red bars).

 

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31 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

By which I take to mean that you have no substantial argument to counter my criticism of the ineffectual nature of the travel ban to actually do what Trump claims it will, or Adam's point that it exceeds the authority of the POTUS.

Who is Adam, and what is his argument?  It might be a good one, for all I know.

It might exceed the authority of the POTUS, under the US Constitution and/or established caselaw. Though I doubt many people would have had that opinion had Obama done it.  But if it exceeds his authority, it should be stopped.

POTUS's (including Trump, to an extent) have been making war for years without authorization of Congress, and I'm not too happy about it; though I don't see it ever changing either.   Border security issues seem like small potatoes, compared to that.

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1 minute ago, Lew Theobald said:

Who is Adam, and what is his argument?  It might be a good one, for all I know.

It might exceed the authority of the POTUS, under the US Constitution and/or established caselaw. Though I doubt many people would have had that opinion had Obama done it.  But if it exceeds his authority, it should be stopped.

POTUS's (including Trump, to an extent) have been making war for years without authorization of Congress, and I'm not too happy about it; though I don't see it ever changing either.   Border security issues seem like small potatoes, compared to that.

My real name is "Adam".

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5 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

My real name is "Adam".

Oh, shit my bad. I've been up all night, got my wires crossed.

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14 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

No, you implied it but didn't say it.  You are very good with implication.  Then you jump up and down pointing out that you never explicitly said what you implied.  I will grant you that you didn't explicitly say "elections are the remedy".  But you continue to strongly push that implication.

Scot, technically we can't hear his voice, so we don't know what he 'says' and doesn't 'say'. Oh, you cunning fiend, Lew! You win again! At this rate pointless semantic excercise in snide unmeaning will cease to be the open field of endeavour it has heretofore not unbeen. 

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1 minute ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

Shit, I'm sorry about that. I've been up all night, got my wires crossed.

It's cool. :)

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19 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Mr. Theobald,

Then please be more explicit with your statements.  Are you not strongly implying that the proper remedy here is to just let Trump do his thing and if we don't like it make sure someone else wins the Presidency in 2020?

I'm saying that the 2020 Presidency is one remedy.  Impeachment is another if the POTUS every actually commits a crime.  And SCOTUS can step in if the POTUS ever exceeds his authority.

A travel ban may or may not exceed his authority.  But, to the (limited) extent that border security is his job, he needs to be able to do that job.  Certainly, there is no reason for immediate panic: a travel ban affecting non-citizens does not threaten the democratic process.

I'm not convinced SCOTUS is not doing its job, merely because they declined to stay all aspects of his order while they are waiting to rule on it.  Seems to me that judicial oversight is happening, and the process is working.

And in the meantime you can all keep yelling at him.  Freedom of speech, and all that.  Very important!    

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4 minutes ago, Lew Theobald said:

I'm saying that the 2020 Presidency is one remedy.  Impeachment is another if the POTUS every actually commits a crime.  And SCOTUS can step in if the POTUS ever exceeds his authority.

A travel ban may or may not exceed his authority.  But, to the (limited) extent that border security is his job, he needs to be able to do that job.  Certainly, there is no reason for immediate panic: a travel ban affecting non-citizens does not threaten the democratic process.

I'm not convinced SCOTUS is not doing its job, merely because they declined to stay all aspects of his order while they are waiting to rule on it.  Seems to me that judicial oversight is happening, and the process is working.

And in the meantime you can all keep yelling at him.  Freedom of speech, and all that.  Very important!    

Indeed it is.  I, for one, hope that the Courts act upon their proper authority and reign in Pres. Trump.

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22 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

I mean, yeah you're right, he's clearly trolling and I shouldn't feed him. "Lewis Theobald" was an English playwright credited with writing "Double Falsehood", which many scholars believe was actually a lost Shakespeare. This reeks of sock puppet fuckery.

Though I'm not entirely sure why you linked me to an article on GamerGate lol.

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6 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

I mean, yeah you're right, he's clearly trolling and I shouldn't feed him. "Lewis Theobald" was an English playwright credited with writing "Double Falsehood", which many scholars believe was actually a lost Shakespeare. This reeks of sock puppet fuckery.

LOL!  Looks like I'm under investigation.

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2 minutes ago, Lew Theobald said:

LOL!  Looks like I'm under investigation.

Yup. He's getting excited about stirring up drama. Welcome to my ignore list.

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25 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said:

I mean, yeah you're right, he's clearly trolling and I shouldn't feed him. "Lewis Theobald" was an English playwright credited with writing "Double Falsehood", which many scholars believe was actually a lost Shakespeare. This reeks of sock puppet fuckery.

Though I'm not entirely sure why you linked me to an article on GamerGate lol.

Has anyone seen Solo recently?

I linked it because it has a good section on trolling and how to deal with the different types of trolls.      

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1 hour ago, Lew Theobald said:

I'm saying that the 2020 Presidency is one remedy.  Impeachment is another if the POTUS every actually commits a crime.  And SCOTUS can step in if the POTUS ever exceeds his authority.

Note that impeachment is not remotely only in the case of the POTUS committing a crime. That is certainly one thing it can be used for, but gross neglect of duties and misuse of powers (albeit legally, such as pardoning a relative) are also right up there. 

In practice, impeachment doesn't matter until public support has been massively eroded. 

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43 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

I linked it because it has a good section on trolling and how to deal with the different types of trolls.      

Ah okay, I gotcha. It wouldn't open on my phone past the title for some reason. Thanks tho.

Funnily enough, I'm actually in the middle of reading Zoe Quinn's memoir atm.

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32 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Note that impeachment is not remotely only in the case of the POTUS committing a crime. That is certainly one thing it can be used for, but gross neglect of duties and misuse of powers (albeit legally, such as pardoning a relative) are also right up there. 

In practice, impeachment doesn't matter until public support has been massively eroded. 

Well, if you were to ask Sandor Clegane's opinion, or that of some other cynic, he would probably say that the only thing required is majority of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate, and all else is empty words.  Of course, the House and the Senate don't want to piss off the public.  So ultimately, the words will matter somehow, if the public believes in them.

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6 minutes ago, Lew Theobald said:

Well, if you were to ask Sandor Clegane's opinion, or that of some other cynic, he would probably say that the only thing required is majority of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate, and all else is empty words.  Of course, the House and the Senate don't want to piss off the public.  So ultimately, the words will matter somehow, if the public believes in them.

Yes, exactly. Whether or not it is criminal is really not an issue. As an example, Trump blatantly profiting from the office of POTUS as he did with the recent Malaysian diplomatic trip is easily impeachable, and could be very easily convicted, but it's not actually a crime. 

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