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Casterly Rock Why?

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I was rewatching the old episodes and in one of them Tywin and Cersei are talking about how they need the help of the Tyrell's as there has been no gold being produced for several years from Casterly Rock. With that being the case way back then, why did Tyrion feel the need to attack a place that had nothing but sentimental value? Its no longer the seat of the lannister's power if they do not produce any gold from there. I am sure the Iron Bank also knew that there was no gold to be had from that place.

The Casterly rock attack made no sense. 
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It was one of Tyrions plans to delay Daenerys attacks on Kings Landing in an attempt to save his family (Jamie).

The attack did make absolutely no sense, it was a worthless keep with no noteworthy loot and no Lannisters in it.

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A couple reasons I beleive. 

1. Tyrion secretly helping his family. 

2. Losing your "home base" is seen as a serious loss. 

But what I want to know is how caster ly rock fell to Aegon when they could have turtled like Dorne? 

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Tyrion didn't know that Casterly Rock's mines had run dry.  Even Cersei didn't know before Tywin told her in Season 4.  Although it seems like Olenna did figure it out at some point, so why wouldn't she mention that in the war council "there's no point the mines have run dry" or something like that.  It seemed to be a pretty well kept secret.  Also taking an opponent's home base is a sound strategic move.  Robb's move to raid the Westerlands put Tywin at a massive strategic disadvantage in the Wo5Ks, and may have even won the war if not for Edmure's stupidity. 

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In retrospective, the attack was indeed useless. A bunch of unnamed soldiers died and Grey Worm survived without a scratch, then appeared in front of King's Landing. The entire plot could have been scraped and frankly nobody would have cared.

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I don't know. The narration is strange. I would put  the "defeat of Dany because she occupied an undefended CR" in the same basket as "the rebellion was based on a lie". A lot of half-truth. I mean taking CR makes sense - if the Lannisters have moved the forces out. It's a cheap conquest of one of the strongest castles in Westeros. Plus Lannisport would be a significant gain. 

In my mind it makes sense but only in a completly reverted narrative with Lannisport in the picture. 

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2 minutes ago, SirArthur said:

I don't know. The narration is strange. I would put  the "defeat of Dany because she occupied an undefended CR" in the same basket as "the rebellion was based on a lie". A lot of half-truth. I mean taking CR makes sense - if the Lannisters have moved the forces out. It's a cheap conquest of one of the strongest castles in Westeros. Plus Lannisport would be a significant gain. 

In my mind it makes sense but only in a completly reverted narrative with Lannisport in the picture. 

Lannisport wasn't even mentioned in the show since...season 1? It might have been scraped alltogether by D&D.

Pretty bizzare considering it's the 3rd largest city in Westeros, after KL and Oldtown.

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21 hours ago, Tyrek Lannister said:

In retrospective, the attack was indeed useless. A bunch of unnamed soldiers died and Grey Worm survived without a scratch, then appeared in front of King's Landing. The entire plot could have been scraped and frankly nobody would have cared.

Maybe they just wanted the Unsullied out of the picture for the "battle of the loot train"; they wanted to show Dothrakis + dragons…

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Tyrion's plan was, on paper, great. However, he didn't count several things. First of them was of course that the mines have dried. That alone is a huge hit for Lannisters, but the ancestral seat still remains an important thing (We know how Robb was treated after Winterfell was sacked). Second was Euron. And that was why the plan backfired.

I believe Tyrion was more concerned with PR than efficiency. We have seen glimpse of what Tyrion was speaking in Tarlys (although that was not developed properly). He wanted to stop Cersei from gaining more allies but ultimately he failed. I wouldn't only blame Tyriion for that. I believe Olenna should have done something with Tarlys. If we suppose that one of numerous Margaery's cousins survived KL, she could have offered the girl to Randyll and unite the Houses through a girl and Dickon, ensuring the loyalty of her bannermen. That is also why the pace of this season was so off. It didn't allow some storylines to properly breathe. There were no intelligent solutions to any of the problems. 

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But didn't Tyrion want Casterly Rock for himself and Tywin refused? Some say that Tyrion only wanted to delay Dany's plans and give Lannisters more time with the attack. Tyrion must have been unaware of the state of Casterly Rock's financial situation. However, Tywin said earlier that Tyrion would get something more suitable for him instead of Casterly Rock. Was Tywin planning to give him something more valuable after all?

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41 minutes ago, Risto said:

Tyrion's plan was, on paper, great. However, he didn't count several things. First of them was of course that the mines have dried. That alone is a huge hit for Lannisters, but the ancestral seat still remains an important thing (We know how Robb was treated after Winterfell was sacked). Second was Euron. And that was why the plan backfired.

The plan did not backfire in any way. The narrator backfires the plan. Mines can't be mined fast, ships that supply the army would go to the Reach at least if not a far greater distance and Ironborn raidings on ships in the Westerlands - is almost a given. (So the army should have enough supply for the short term).The plan makes not much sense because the army has no connection to the rest of the forces. They could easily be hold up by a well defended castle - like the Rock - and then get raided and killed by reinforcements. It happened to Jaime in Riverrun. 

Nothing makes any sense - the target makes no sense and the declaration of a backfire makes also no sense. Because it did not backfire. It would have backfired if the troops would still be in Casterly Rock. Riverrun all over again until a relief army mobs up the Unsullied. Almost to the letter. The army in the Rock could now take the Westerlands - instead they move to King's Landing. Which again - makes no sense. Dany's Dothraki are large enough and she did not build siege engines anyway. So she is also not in need of infantry.

This entire story has a smell of a really well thought through war and well thought reactions. However it is narrated so unbelievable bad .... 

 

The more I think about season 7 the more I feel there is something awesome and great in the background. Something that want's out. Unfortunately someone has put a "Last Airbender" narration in front of it. To the point where it lacks so much sense that you can almost smell the genious side of the Targaryen coin that was thrown. 

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