Sivin Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: 32 million, if the early estimates are to be believed. It won't directly effect my coverage either, but that's hardly the point. I can't take comfort in the fact that some of the folks who voted for these chumps will be screwing themselves when they're dragging down many others who didn't. But the rules are clear, I certainly don't take comfort in knowing that those 'folks' will wither and die by their own hand, and as I am not being directly affected I simply can't condone any violation of the rules to prevent this bill. Don't worry though, you have the right to make a protest. I'm sure that will be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, WinterFox said: But the rules are clear, I certainly don't take comfort in knowing that those 'folks' will wither and die by their own hand, and as I am not being directly affected I simply can't condone any violation of the rules to prevent this bill. Don't worry though, you have the right to make a protest. I'm sure that will be effective. Who's talking about violating any rules? Other than yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Who's talking about violating any rules? Other than yourself. I'm just making sure that we're all on the same page that this is going to happen and there's nothing that we can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, WinterFox said: I'm just making sure that we're all on the same page that this is going to happen and there's nothing that we can do about it. Like the last two times they brought this bullshit to the floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Like the last two times they brought this bullshit to the floor? It only has to pass once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, WinterFox said: It only has to pass once. If this passes, those voting yes WILL be subjected to living hell by their own constituents when they head back home for Town Halls. Actually, it won't matter if they hold Town Halls or not; their lives still become hell. Nor will security measures improve their circumstances. I posted multiple links to articles on this in the past. Direct physical violence is highly possible, including fatalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, ThinkerX said: If this passes, those voting yes WILL be subjected to living hell by their own constituents when they head back home for Town Halls. Actually, it won't matter if they hold Town Halls or not; their lives still become hell. Nor will security measures improve their circumstances. I posted multiple links to articles on this in the past. Direct physical violence is highly possible, including fatalities. edit: Misread what was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just now, Sword of Doom said: That's if they even decide to hold town halls. No. The ones that tried this last time were harassed at their own homes, as well as during ANY public appearances. Again, I linked to multiple articles on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, WinterFox said: It only has to pass once. Sounds like you're a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Sounds like you're a fan. Look, I get that you think some people are being pessimistic but do you (and the other people who keep responding in a similar tone) really think that harassing them about it is the best and most productive response? Can't you just fucking lay off, maybe just not reply and let it sit there ignored if you think its so bad. You consistently refuse to think things are as bad as others do - fine, that's your choice, but please at least try show some empathy for the fact that they're really concerned about the state of the nation. Its not like there hasn't been a fucking smorgasbord of shit just in the last few days to get you concerned. Obviously this isn't just directed at you ME, or at this particular interaction. Fairly consistently it seems like more effort is spent shitting on the people on the far left that are very scared than is spent on dealing with the very scary shit coming from the far right. You can take that as an attack, like it has admittedly been in the past including from me, or you can take it like an appeal for empathy which on this occasion it actually is. The only thing that saved the ACA the last time around was John fucking McCain showboating for adulation after he'd just had brain surgery for a tumour. As I understand it he's already indicated support for this particular iteration of the repeal? But even if he hasn't, that's not the most stable foundation for hope, fear is warranted. You're absolutely right that the response to that fear should be action though, not paralysis. Blow up the phones to the Senators again etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 remember how activists from ADAPT took incredibly effective direct actions to protest the last ghoulish healthcare atrocity, and basically helped galvanize the public backlash? well the house is now introducing a bill to weaken the ada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Pretty funny to hear on Morning Joe that several White House staffers are suspecting that other White House staffers of wearing wires. This clown show never ceases to get more and more bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 And here’s your daily reminder that even the smartest among us are still pretty dumb: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/trump-lawyer-heard-gossiping-about-russia-probe-at-lunch.html The Veep is strong in them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRider Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 0:34 PM, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Hadn't heard anything about the Manning thing, but as far as the Jemele Hill thing goes, of course that is unacceptable behavior by the White House. That said, it has done nothing to impede her freedom of speech. She didn't take down the Tweets and despite apologizing to her employer has continued to post about it on her Twitter feed. The Trump administration has attacked numerous journalists since its' inception. If this had cost her the job, then yes, I would have an issue with this. Had it compelled her to shut up, I'd have an issue with this. As it stands, it's just another ham-handed and futile attempt by the Trump administration to shut up a critic publicly. It's not cool, but it's also not effective. Look at the pushback Huckabee got from the White House Press Corps seconds after she made the statement. God damn. Has anyone even read the 1st amendment? There is more there than Freeze Peach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRider Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 1:52 PM, IheartIheartTesla said: I'm curious why we have a Constitution, why don't these religious Presidents just govern by opening random pages of the new Testament? Its ridiculous to attest atheists are not bound by anything. Just look at the distribution of criminals in the US and you'll find not many of them being atheists. Why is that, when these atheists are apparently some sort of Constitution ignoring mobsters. http://www.newsweek.com/chaplain-urges-service-members-reject-religious-tolerance-665614 The modern Crusade of the "Religion of the Prince of Peace" doesn't need you stinking Constitution anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 9 hours ago, karaddin said: Look, I get that you think some people are being pessimistic but do you (and the other people who keep responding in a similar tone) really think that harassing them about it is the best and most productive response? Can't you just fucking lay off, maybe just not reply and let it sit there ignored if you think its so bad. You consistently refuse to think things are as bad as others do - fine, that's your choice, but please at least try show some empathy for the fact that they're really concerned about the state of the nation. Its not like there hasn't been a fucking smorgasbord of shit just in the last few days to get you concerned. Obviously this isn't just directed at you ME, or at this particular interaction. Fairly consistently it seems like more effort is spent shitting on the people on the far left that are very scared than is spent on dealing with the very scary shit coming from the far right. You can take that as an attack, like it has admittedly been in the past including from me, or you can take it like an appeal for empathy which on this occasion it actually is. The only thing that saved the ACA the last time around was John fucking McCain showboating for adulation after he'd just had brain surgery for a tumour. As I understand it he's already indicated support for this particular iteration of the repeal? But even if he hasn't, that's not the most stable foundation for hope, fear is warranted. You're absolutely right that the response to that fear should be action though, not paralysis. Blow up the phones to the Senators again etc. I'm the harasser in this case? I posted up a simple summary of the "new" bill (which as near as I can tell is the same shit sandwich, only in a different wrapper) and Winterfox comes in and tries to somehow connect the dots between this issue and my general stance on non-violence. Not sure how that relates to healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Prolly not political enough for this thread, but Sean Spicer showing up to mock himself/Trump at the Emmys may have been the funniest thing to come out of the mass convergence of shit that's been happening since 2016. The guy is a repulsive propagandist and unrepentantly complicit in a lot of garbage, he should not be let in on the jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 47 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: Prolly not political enough for this thread, but Sean Spicer showing up to mock himself/Trump at the Emmys may have been the funniest thing to come out of the mass convergence of shit that's been happening since 2016. His redemption tour is bullshit -- he worked as the propaganda mouth-piece of an administration that is destroying social norms and actively making life worse for much of the country (to the delight of white supremacist supporting, leaning, and sympathizing groups). See: DACA, Travel ban, Hitler apologia (he never stooped to using chemical weapons - ), ACA-repeal efforts, upcoming tax reform (aka handouts to wealthier Americans), etc. etc. http://jezebel.com/complicit-1818507213 @Morpheus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Let's Get Kraken said: I disagree (with the last part). The more divided the GOP is, the easier it will be for Democrats to keep their heads above water until 2018. Except that the Democrats are even more divided and dysfunction then the Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 The 4 steps for Republicans to repeal Obamacare in the next 2 weeks Cassidy-Graham is gaining steam. Here’s what the Senate must do. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/18/16327468/senate-republicans-obamacare-repeal-cassidy-graham-4-steps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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