winter daughter Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, zandru said: It would be the combination of decent looks with grace, prowess, and kindness that would make Arya and Lyanna "great beauties." Neither Cersei nor Sansa have these qualities, just their looks, which for most men is more than enough. (And it says a lot in favor of Rhaegar Targaryen.) I agree about Arya and Lyanna. But Sansa is not just beautiful. she is also graceful, charming and witty. she charmed Harry not with her beauty but with her wits. And post AGOT Sansa is kind. she is nothing like hateful and heartless Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 At least a 1-10, up to a 10-10. Need a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Ashara was very likely beautiful. So many men wanted to dance with her during the Harrenhal tourney and it can't be all because she was flirty. On the beauty scale, I will say Ashara would rank far below Dany and a little below a younger-Cersei, slightly above Lynesse, but be comfortably above Catelyn, Margery, Arrianne, Roslyn, and Sansa. If we were to find a real world comparison, perhaps she is on the same level as the lovely actress Raina Hein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, winter daughter said: But Sansa is not just beautiful ;-) In the eye of the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter daughter Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, zandru said: ;-) In the eye of the beholder. Of course. and I get that you don't like her at all but are you saying she is not charming, graceful and witty? and that she has not shown kindness to people around her time and time again after AGOT? even in the first book she is the only person that treats Sandor like a human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, winter daughter said: I agree about Arya and Lyanna. But Sansa is not just beautiful. she is also graceful, charming and witty. she charmed Harry not with her beauty but with her wits. And post AGOT Sansa is kind. she is nothing like hateful and heartless Cersei. I can agree that Sansa is a better person than Cersei. I mean, really, Cersei helped little Melara to fall down the well, just a bit. But Sansa is not what you would call admirable. She's not a hero. She looks out for #1 in most of her chapters. Sansa's main sins are her incredible selfishness. We have read here a theory that she will murder Robert Arryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 For whatever it's worth Kevan Lannister thought that prime Cersei was more beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I believe we are edging towards the Apple of Discord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_of_Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter daughter Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Widowmaker 811 said: I can agree that Sansa is a better person than Cersei. I mean, really, Cersei helped little Melara to fall down the well, just a bit. But Sansa is not what you would call admirable. She's not a hero. She looks out for #1 in most of her chapters. Sansa's main sins are her incredible selfishness. We have read here a theory that she will murder Robert Arryn. And do you think current Arya and Bran are admirable? all of our main characters are grey and flawed. And about her selfishness, she was selfish in the first book. but after her father's death she has changed a lot. in her first ACOK chapter she tried to save Dantos risking getting punished by psycho Joffrey. I can provide you with other examples of her kindness if you want. And about that theory... she has not killed him yet, has she? she has not even thought about killing him. for now she is taking care of him patiently and teaching him some manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elder brother jonothor dar Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 She sat beside him on the grass. Her every movewas graceful. Her curling blond hair moved in the wind, and her eyes were green as the leaves of summer. It had been a long time since Ned Stark had seen her beauty, but he saw it now. "I know the truth Jon Arryn died for," he told her. Ned 12 GoT Cersei has been trained to be a lady and all that entails (including curtisies when in the mood) from a young age, she also exudes power and can be seductive making her number 1 (let's forget about Dany with her exotic Targ looks for now) Cersei is undoubtedly beautiful and undoubtedly a bunny boiler, it is telling that Ned does not always see her beauty as we know Cersei always looks her best, indeed it would seem beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and every man thinks he has the prettiest wife at home. Individual characters can rank women in different order of beauty and that order can change with perception and a moment in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faera Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Widowmaker 811 said: I can agree that Sansa is a better person than Cersei. I mean, really, Cersei helped little Melara to fall down the well, just a bit. But Sansa is not what you would call admirable. She's not a hero. She looks out for #1 in most of her chapters. Sansa's main sins are her incredible selfishness. We have read here a theory that she will murder Robert Arryn. In all fairness, it wouldn't be difficult to be a better person than Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Фейсал Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Widowmaker 811 said: Ashara was very likely beautiful. So many men wanted to dance with her during the Harrenhal tourney and it can't be all because she was flirty. On the beauty scale, I will say Ashara would rank far below Dany and a little below a younger-Cersei, slightly above Lynesse, but be comfortably above Catelyn, Margery, Arrianne, Roslyn, and Sansa. If we were to find a real world comparison, perhaps she is on the same level as the lovely actress Raina Hein. Interesting. Why would you go with ''far below Dany'' when Barristan ranks her slightly above her? she had the same purple eyes thing going on and she was from Dorne which gives her bit of an unusual, eye catching look too, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 4 hours ago, TMIFairy said: I believe we are edging towards the Apple of Discord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_of_Discord Hail Eris, hail Discordia, five is a demon. Who has the hot dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretWeapon Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but i like thinking of her as the most beautiful. Makes her a bit more special. My head image of her is something like this https://img00.deviantart.net/e8a8/i/2015/159/b/8/megan_fox___angelina_jolie_by_thatnordicguy-d8wj075.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 20 hours ago, winter daughter said: And do you think current Arya and Bran are admirable? all of our main characters are grey and flawed. I don't think Arya is admirable. No way. Bran has done some admirable things but warging Hodor is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 28/09/2017 at 0:50 PM, The Bard of Banefort said: One of the things I dislike about this series is how so many characters are described as absurdly beautiful. How can their beauty be so rare if there are fifteen other characters described the same way? Really? Considering the population of Westeros, and that most of our characters are from the wealthier end of society, I'm not surprised at all. I see insanely beautiful people walking around the city all the time. I mean, most of them are ugly, but you do get a lot who aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Hold Em Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 It's a fantasy story. You will have extremes of ugly and extremes of beautiful. On the matter of Ashara. She's more hot than outright beautiful. The kind of girl that most men will find appealing and attainable. Her open nature and not her looks could have intimidated the shy wolf. I don't think Ashara will take your breath away with her beauty but she is very attractive enough. She's closer to the beautiful end of the scale and far from the ugly end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maudisdottir Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 46 minutes ago, Texas Hold Em said: She's more hot than outright beautiful. If you think of them as the celebrities of Westeros, then you can see that it's not always the most classically beautiful people that get all the attention, it's also the "hot" ones. Elia was unfavourably compared with Ashara, even though she was considered a beauty of sorts herself. But who's going to look at Eva Longoria when Elizabeth Taylor walks into the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 To be fair, Ned is used to seeing the long face of the north. So he goes to the tourney in the south and sees a better proportioned face. Even a mildly attractive Ashara would light his senses. Ashara is beautiful but she's not in the same league as the Targaryen women and perhaps not even in the same league as Cersei Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 When i think of Ashara Dayne I picture Alexandra Daddario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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