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If a publisher were interested in having a hard cover book out in time for 2017 black Friday shopping, and if they expected the initial order to sell 2+ million copies, how long in advance of black Friday would they need the book in a finished electronic format?

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Based on precedent - Dan Brown books, Robert Jordan, Martin's last couple of books, it'd be about 3 months from receiving the final, finished, copy-edited and proofed manuscript.

For a smaller market you can shave a bit off that. The UK got ASoS out about 2 months after hand-in, but the Americans had to wait several months longer.

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On 10/2/2017 at 4:34 PM, Col Cinders said:

If a publisher were interested in having a hard cover book out in time for 2017 black Friday shopping, and if they expected the initial order to sell 2+ million copies, how long in advance of black Friday would they need the book in a finished electronic format?

winds will not be out this year. GRRM stated that he MIGHT have a book published next year but if he does he is not sure if it will be winds or the targ history novel. winds seems more likely to be 2019 

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 0:07 PM, Dorian Martell's son said:

winds will not be out this year. GRRM stated that he MIGHT have a book published next year but if he does he is not sure if it will be winds or the targ history novel. winds seems more likely to be 2019 

 

On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 8:11 PM, Werthead said:

Based on precedent - Dan Brown books, Robert Jordan, Martin's last couple of books, it'd be about 3 months from receiving the final, finished, copy-edited and proofed manuscript.

For a smaller market you can shave a bit off that. The UK got ASoS out about 2 months after hand-in, but the Americans had to wait several months longer.

TY for the replies.  I will probably bail out on the book series.  There's only so many times Lucy can pull the football off the tee for me.

I'm looking forward to HBO finishing the story for me albeit at a reduced quality.

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13 hours ago, Col Cinders said:

There's only so many times Lucy can pull the football off the tee for me.

Hard to argue with this.

13 hours ago, Col Cinders said:

I'm looking forward to HBO finishing the story for me albeit at a reduced quality.

And in many ways that are fundamentally different from the books.

We know for sure the show has already been fundamentally different for years now and it's not suddenly going to morph into an accurate reflection of the canon.

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On 10/2/2017 at 4:34 PM, Col Cinders said:

If a publisher were interested in having a hard cover book out in time for 2017 black Friday shopping, and if they expected the initial order to sell 2+ million copies, how long in advance of black Friday would they need the book in a finished electronic format?

Seeing how this did not happen, coupled with the show not returning until 2019, I have a small shred of hope that the targ history novel is on the back burner and winds will show up so we only have one book left by the time we know how the whole story ends. 

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4 minutes ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

Seeing how this did not happen, coupled with the show not returning until 2019, I have a small shred of hope that the targ history novel is on the back burner and winds will show up so we only have one book left by the time we know how the whole story ends. 

That is exactly what I think. Because if we take into account the amount of commitments grrm will have in 2019 because it is the last year of GoT, the prequels will start to be a thing and because he will at least publish fire and blood then in 2019 he won t have time to write.

Even 2020 with the premiere of 1 or more prequels will be a bad year for him... I think this has to be the year of winter...

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On 10.01.2018 at 11:40 PM, divica said:

That is exactly what I think. Because if we take into account the amount of commitments grrm will have in 2019 because it is the last year of GoT, the prequels will start to be a thing and because he will at least publish fire and blood then in 2019 he won t have time to write.

Even 2020 with the premiere of 1 or more prequels will be a bad year for him... I think this has to be the year of winter...

But unlike in 2011, the publishers are in no position to demand anything from GRRM.

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On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 0:48 PM, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

But unlike in 2011, the publishers are in no position to demand anything from GRRM.

Exactly. There is nothing they can hold over his head.

I think we won't see Winds until 2020 personally. We'll get Fire and Blood possibly this year or next and likely Winds in 2020.

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On 03.10.2017 at 2:11 AM, Werthead said:

Based on precedent - Dan Brown books, Robert Jordan, Martin's last couple of books, it'd be about 3 months from receiving the final, finished, copy-edited and proofed manuscript.

For a smaller market you can shave a bit off that. The UK got ASoS out about 2 months after hand-in, but the Americans had to wait several months longer.

What about Kindle/ electronic versions? That shouldn't take very long. :)

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2 hours ago, Dragonsbone said:

Hope never dies 

Say it again when the post count is a lot higher 

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1 hour ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

What about Kindle/ electronic versions? That shouldn't take very long. :)

they do the print first. Then for the electronic stuff second 

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2 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

What about Kindle/ electronic versions? That shouldn't take very long. :)

The time-consuming stuff is the final edit. The actual printing I think they can do quite quickly (a couple of weeks for a few hundred thousand copies), and of course they launch all versions on the same day.

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Ahh...Winds. I look online every few days with hope in my heart that there will be an announcement, but I've come to the point where I'm coming to accept that Martin will never finish the series, and the tv show fan fiction is the only closure we will ever get. I even have serious doubts that Winds will ever see the light of day.

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I tend to agree with you, at this point the only thing you can theorise on is when winds will be out and why the delay, everyother topic has been exhausted

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