ThinkerX Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, HelenaExMachina said: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/09/epa-scott-pruitt-abandon-clean-power-plan-obama *sigh* Coal is effectively dying and this stunt won't save it. Throwing red meat to Trumps base is what it comes down to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 37 minutes ago, Ormond said: It's always been hard to tell "on the net" or through email. There has been research showing that people are abysmal at telling sarcasm from sincerity in email-like communications even when they do know the other person well. It usually isn't wise to try to be sarcastic in an email unless you are using a stock phrase everyone understands as being sarcastic, or unless you specifically mark your statement as being sarcasm. Well yeah, but usually if someone starst talking about how they worship Crom and the moon is a giant dragon egg I know they're joking. Today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoughtful Jake Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, Ormond said: It's always been hard to tell "on the net" or through email. There has been research showing that people are abysmal at telling sarcasm from sincerity in email-like communications even when they do know the other person well. It usually isn't wise to try to be sarcastic in an email unless you are using a stock phrase everyone understands as being sarcastic, or unless you specifically mark your statement as being sarcasm. There is punctuation that can help ;). But yeah, as far as full-spectrum communication, the written word is basically shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, Thoughtful Jake said: There is punctuation that can help ;). But yeah, as far as full-spectrum communication, the written word is basically shite. Sarcasm and satire have been around since the first written language. How did they differentiate them from actual thoughts in let's say hieroglyphics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 8 hours ago, BigFatCoward said: They have to call his bluff on this surely. if they all kneel it makes him look like either a moron if he follows through, or a coward if he doesn't. I don't know, his team already more or less bowed to his bullshit on the Monday Night game that was the tale end of the first big protest. They all came out on field in a big prayer circle with the owner before the anthem. It was easily the most half-assed of all the protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Lindsay Graham claims that Trump shot a 73 on a par 72 course... Agree with Chris Hayes, why not just claim it was an 18? http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/lindsey-graham-almost-certainly-lied-about-trumps-golfing.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 And after failing to punish her when Trump called for her to be fired due to her colleagues refusing to fill in for her, ESPN have let two weeks pass and given Jemele Hill a 2 week suspension due to "social media" speech. I'm sure this is completely unrelated to pressure from POTUS though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, karaddin said: And after failing to punish her when Trump called for her to be fired due to her colleagues refusing to fill in for her, ESPN have let two weeks pass and given Jemele Hill a 2 week suspension due to "social media" speech. I'm sure this is completely unrelated to pressure from POTUS though. ESPN is such a shit show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, karaddin said: And after failing to punish her when Trump called for her to be fired due to her colleagues refusing to fill in for her, ESPN have let two weeks pass and given Jemele Hill a 2 week suspension due to "social media" speech. I'm sure this is completely unrelated to pressure from POTUS though. It's more likely because she bit the hand (NFL) that feeds ESPN. There is precedent there with the suspension and then firing of Bill Simmons after his constant criticism of Roger Goodell who is the NFL comissioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, kairparavel said: It's more likely because she bit the hand (NFL) that feeds ESPN. There is precedent there with the suspension and then firing of Bill Simmons after his constant criticism of Roger Goodell who is the NFL comissioner. You don't think "told to be silent after POTUS calls for her to be fired" then suspended 2 weeks later when she refuses to stay silent has any kind of connection? I'm not denying that what you said is part of it as well, but you can't just take that out of the equation. Nor can you remove what the criticism was about, which was specifically the Dallas owner and his shit that was just being discussed in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I'm saying that ESPN, shitshow that they are, are consistent in enforcing their social media clauses in employee contracts and trying to appease the machine that is the NFL. That the fact that her tweet about Trump didn't get her suspended but her tweets about the NFL did. One incident adds onto the other, but ESPN needs to keep the NFL happy more than ESPN needs to keep The Great Pumpkin happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 They did actually try to suspend her. Her colleagues refused to fill in and they backed down. I'm going to keep saying that because its a very different scenario to simply "didn't suspend her". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The tweet wasn't just about the NFL. If you read the BBC article, what she said was: "If you feel strongly about JJ's statement, boycott his advertisers." This is an attack on the NFL, yes -- but it is also a direct attack on ESPN itself because the latter is paid by the same advertisers. It is unreasonable to expect that attacking the revenue stream of one's employer will have no repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Week said: Lindsay Graham claims that Trump shot a 73 on a par 72 course... Agree with Chris Hayes, why not just claim it was an 18? http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/lindsey-graham-almost-certainly-lied-about-trumps-golfing.html A long time ago, several years ago, golf reporters who played with Trump said he was an excellent player. In fact in ranking presidents, they have said Trump's skill level is the highest of all presidents. However, they have also said the problem is he cheats. If you play golf and score your golf game in a friendly game, you know that many people will overlook some of the rules of golf when they play. They'll drop the ball at a better spot, they accidentally touch the ball and not take a stroke etc. so while he scored himself as a 72, it could easily have been a 74 or a 76. Still a good score, but not good enough for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: If you play golf and score your golf game in a friendly game, you know that many people will overlook some of the rules of golf when they play. They'll drop the ball at a better spot, they accidentally touch the ball and not take a stroke etc. so while he scored himself as a 72, it could easily have been a 74 or a 76. Still a good score, but not good enough for him. First, cheaters in friendly games cheat more egregiously than your describing. Second, my grandpa is huge golf cheater, and he's just about as great a person as Trump is a horrible person. So yeah, of course he's juicing his scorecard. On Jemele Hill - I think it's fair to wonder how much of this is due to her previous Trump comments and her race/gender. However, as others have pointed out, it's also important to emphasize she broke ESPN's cardinal rule - do not attack the NFL. This is why I have to google "the ringer" any time I'm curious what Bill Simmons thinks on a subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, dmc515 said: First, cheaters in friendly games cheat more egregiously than your describing. Second, my grandpa is huge golf cheater, and he's just about as great a person as Trump is a horrible person. So yeah, of course he's juicing his scorecard. Oh my goodness yes, all kinds of golfers cheat blatantly, but those are casual players (and I don't mean how many times they play). Serious players take their scores seriously, follow the rules, and Trump is a serious player. He brags about his scores. In one of the stories I saw, the reporter had reviewed a new Trump course for Golf magazine, playing a round on the course with Trump himself, and expected to receive a call from him about some of the criticisms he made. But to his surprise, when Trump called his big complaint was about the reporter's failure to report Trump shot a 72. He didn't, the reporter said, because Trump hadn't shot a 72 because of his cheating. A lot of people firmly believe the way a person plays golf reveals the true nature of the person. Your grandfather isn't revealing he's a cheater, he's revealing he doesn't take golf seriously but can still have fun and enjoy his rounds. Trump is revealing a basic truth about himself, that he doesn't have to follow the rules but should still get full credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin of Ice Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 US facing a relationship breakdown with yet another country. This time it's Turkey Quote The new fight began Sunday, when the US announced it was suspending most visa services at its diplomatic facilities across Turkey. The new restrictions mean that Turkish tourists, students, diplomats, journalists, and businesspeople will be barred from getting the paperwork needed to visit the US. Just a few hours later, Turkey announced a measure that mirrored the US’s ban almost exactly. The US and Turkey are NATO allies, but in the past year they’ve clashed over many issues, including Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s jailing of dozens of US citizens for their alleged ties to a failed coup attempt against him last year and the US’s refusal to extradite Fethullah Gülen, a Pennsylvania-based Turkish cleric whom Erdoğan accuses of orchestrating the coup attempt. ... Analysts say the visa fight doesn’t bode well for either country. Turkey’s tourism industry will likely take a substantial blow — tens of thousands of US nationals have visited Turkey annually in recent years. More than 37,000 US nationals traveled to Turkey in 2016. (That was a big drop from the 88,000 US visitors in 2015, a change that can be attributed to the coup attempt and security crackdown in Turkey last year.) And many of the Turks who will now be locked out of future travel to the US are very likely to be sympathetic to the US and critical of Erdoğan’s regime, according to Nick Danforth, a senior policy analyst focused on Turkey at the Bipartisan Policy Center. Influential critics such as politically disenchanted scholars or businesspeople are important sources of information for the US about how Turkey’s increasingly authoritarian government is evolving — and how to respond to it. In the past year or so, the number of US grievances against Erdoğan has grown quickly. He has responded to an unsuccessful coup attempt against him in 2016 with extraordinary measures, jailing more journalists than any other world leader, arresting tens of thousands of Turks on suspect charges, and successfully pushing for a referendum that eviscerated legislative and judicial checks on his rule. Erdoğan’s rising authoritarianism has had a direct impact on the US. The Turkish government has arrested dozens of American citizens while they’ve visited Turkey based on charges that they are linked to the coup attempt against the government. And Turkey has not been shy about targeting US consulate employees — last year, Turkish authorities arrested one, and on Monday they issued a warrant for the arrest of yet another one. Turkey also rankled Washington by signing a deal to purchase a Russian surface-to-air missile system in September — a move that suggested Turkey might reduce its commitment to the NATO military alliance and potentially move closer to Moscow. Two NATO countries openly feuding and one of them has been gradually entering Moscow's orbit over the course of years. Vlad must be so proud. Hacker study: voting machines are easily hackable Quote American voting machines are full of foreign-made hardware and software, including from China, and a top group of hackers and national security officials says that means they could have been infiltrated last year and into the future. DEFCON, the world’s largest hacker conference, will release its findings on Tuesday, months after hosting a July demonstration in which hackers quickly broke into 25 different types of voting machines. The report, to be unveiled at an event at the Atlantic Council, comes as the investigation continues by four Hill committees, plus Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller, into Russian meddling in the 2016 elections, on top of the firm intelligence community assessments of interference. Though the report offers no proof of an attack last year, experts involved with it say they’re sure it is possible—and probable—and that the chances of a bigger attack in the future are high. “From a technological point of view, this is something that is clearly doable,” said Sherri Ramsay, the former director of the federal Central Security Service Threat Operations Center, which handles cyber threats for the military and the National Security Agency. “For us to turn a blind eye to this, I think that would be very irresponsible on our part.” Often, voting machine companies argue that their supply chain is secure or that the parts are American-made or that the number of different and disconnected officials administering elections would make a widespread hack impossible. The companies also regularly say that since many machines are not connected to the internet, hackers’ ability to get in is limited. But at the DEFCON event in Las Vegas, hackers took over voting machines, remotely and exposed personal information in voter files and more. Las Vegas was a timed event to prove a point. But the hackers say that taking the machines apart in the months since has exposed deeper vulnerabilities. Parts and programs that could easily be embedded with malware and sleeper commands are being incorporated from all over the world, from suppliers and shippers without clear security measures. Campus police officer at Texas university shot and killed by an armed student who the officer tried to bust for drugs Man, it sure is great how more guns always equals more safety, and that nothing unexpected can happen when you allow young people known for bad judgement and a tendency to over indulge in alcohol and drugs top openly carry lethal weapons. No siree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The breakdown in US-Turket relations is basically nothing to do with Putin. It's all Erdogan and his gradual ascension into strongman dictatorhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Also, the NFL quietly went nuclear on the protest issue: https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-quietly-changed-its-obscure-rule-about-standing-1819300660 Basically changing the language around in the rules to say "We will fuck you hard if you keep this up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Wow. When the US falls below MY expectations, honestly, that's a bad day at black rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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