Kalbear Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Well, this is a cautiously good sign - Trump approval ratings down everywhere, including battleground states. Though if he can actually get some wins here and there from a platform perspective that might not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Eater Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 There is a part of me that really wants Trump to submit himself to an IQ test that would be leaked to the media when his results show an IQ of 65, he could call it "fake news", and blame the "lying media" I cant believe Rex Tillerson hasnt called out Trump for being a moron in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 14 hours ago, Fragile Bird said: Oh my goodness yes, all kinds of golfers cheat blatantly, but those are casual players (and I don't mean how many times they play). Serious players take their scores seriously, follow the rules, and Trump is a serious player. He brags about his scores. In one of the stories I saw, the reporter had reviewed a new Trump course for Golf magazine, playing a round on the course with Trump himself, and expected to receive a call from him about some of the criticisms he made. But to his surprise, when Trump called his big complaint was about the reporter's failure to report Trump shot a 72. He didn't, the reporter said, because Trump hadn't shot a 72 because of his cheating. A lot of people firmly believe the way a person plays golf reveals the true nature of the person. Your grandfather isn't revealing he's a cheater, he's revealing he doesn't take golf seriously but can still have fun and enjoy his rounds. Trump is revealing a basic truth about himself, that he doesn't have to follow the rules but should still get full credit. so you're saying this is just.... par for the course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mance Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 *golf clap* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 47 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Well, this is a cautiously good sign - Trump approval ratings down everywhere, including battleground states. Though if he can actually get some wins here and there from a platform perspective that might not matter. I think it’s safe to say, short of an economic miracle and/or a successful defeat of NK, that Trump’s numbers will never go back up in a significant way and that he’ll probably only be able to get 25-28% of the eligible vote in 2020. Therefore, he will have to replicate his scorched Earth tactic that worked at the tail end of the 2016 campaign. This means that Democrats need to mindful during the 2020 primary and select a clean candidate that will be hard to undercut from a personal standpoint. 38 minutes ago, Frog Eater said: There is a part of me that really wants Trump to submit himself to an IQ test that would be leaked to the media when his results show an IQ of 65, he could call it "fake news", and blame the "lying media" I cant believe Rex Tillerson hasnt called out Trump for being a moron in public I want him to go one on one against Tillerson in a public spelling bee and vocabulary test. He can’t decline, since he has the best words… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Trump is so so fragile. I just hope his health is as fragile so we will be done with this shit when he inevitability has a fucking stroke or heart attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sword of Doom said: Trump is so so fragile. I just hope his health is as fragile so we will be done with this shit when he inevitability has a fucking stroke or heart attack. Shitty people live forever, Dick Cheney is still kicking despite numerous attempts by his heart to act for the public good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 34 minutes ago, Morpheus said: Shitty people live forever, Dick Cheney is still kicking despite numerous attempts by his heart to act for the public good. Hocruxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Darth Richard II said: Hocruxes. Voldemort only looked like a snake, how many do you think Cheney made to look like that? And how many more do you think where needed to get to Trump level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 27 minutes ago, TrueMetis said: Voldemort only looked like a snake, how many do you think Cheney made to look like that? And how many more do you think where needed to get to Trump level? 911? Eh I guess that would be Guilani. However you spell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Ormond said: The introductory psychology textbook I teach out of (Myers & DeWall, 10th edition) uses "the mental potential to learn from experience, solve problems, and use knowledge to adapt to new situations." I know, this is one of the standard definitions I learned as a freshman. Though my favorite definition was "Intelligence is whatever intelligence tests measure," (not sure whether that was from Cattell). The point being that intelligence itself is a concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin of Ice Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: I think it’s safe to say, short of an economic miracle and/or a successful defeat of NK, that Trump’s numbers will never go back up in a significant way and that he’ll probably only be able to get 25-28% of the eligible vote in 2020. Therefore, he will have to replicate his scorched Earth tactic that worked at the tail end of the 2016 campaign. This means that Democrats need to mindful during the 2020 primary and select a clean candidate that will be hard to undercut from a personal standpoint. I'm always wary of putting too much faith in those approval polls. Aside from possibilities for methodology problems, sample size, improper weightier of results and the general kicks in the rear that polls have gotten within the last 2-3 years, I always wonder how many people don't approve of him because of his Twitter tirades or acting unpresidential, but either approve of his actions 100%, or will go ahead and vote for him no matter what because he's the Republican in the race. Long story short, nobody, whether it's professional politicians or sideline gawkers like us should presume 2020 is a sure thing, no matter how badly Trump fucks up in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denstorebog Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said: he’ll probably only be able to get 25-28% of the eligible vote in 2020. While I agree with the notion that his approval will never reach a new peak, do you base this percentage on approval polls? I'm asking because I have yet to see the approval poll that convinces me that disillusioned 2016 Trump voters will not turn out for him again once he's put up against an opponent and the propaganda machine starts doing its work. As such, I view approval polls as meaningful only in the sense that they can affect the current political discourse, Congress' willingness to stand up to Trump, etc., not as meaningful tools for telling us how much voter turnout Trump has lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 They should add a follow up polling question asking if they'd vote for Clinton if they could do 2016 over again. Would bet almost all of those who now disapprove of Trump and voted for him would still say 'at least he isn't Clinton'. And have to think that when he faces a Democrat in 2020 the same logic will come into play. "I think Trump sucks but at least he isn't a socialist / globalist America-hater like Candidate (D)." Only some electoral W's will convince me that this country is ready to redeem itself for the Trump disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Pfft, you all assume this country will still exists in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Polling numbers can turn around quickly if the right kind of disaster happens just before an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 56 minutes ago, Paladin of Ice said: I'm always wary of putting too much faith in those approval polls. Aside from possibilities for methodology problems, sample size, improper weightier of results and the general kicks in the rear that polls have gotten within the last 2-3 years, I always wonder how many people don't approve of him because of his Twitter tirades or acting unpresidential, but either approve of his actions 100%, or will go ahead and vote for him no matter what because he's the Republican in the race. Long story short, nobody, whether it's professional politicians or sideline gawkers like us should presume 2020 is a sure thing, no matter how badly Trump fucks up in the next few years. I actually don't think the polls were that off in 2016, they just got the distribution of where the votes were wrong and didn't do a good job of factoring in all the late events that help swing it for Trump (we can quibble forever about how each affected the outcome, but it's undeniable that Clinton made a massive mistake by taking her foot off of the gas in the Midwest). I understand your wariness, but I feel confident that Trump won't expand is vote share in any meaningful way (hence why I capped it at 28%, which was actually a mistake, it should have been 26.5%). That still leaves Trump a path to victory, but it's narrow and Democrats won't make the mistake again of taking the blue wall for granted. Clinton's vote share was 28%, and I think that should hold true as a base for the next candidate, but what Democrats need to do is find a way to push the next candidate's vote share closer to 30%, which I think is achievable if they pick a good candidate without the number of flaws, fair or not, that Clinton had while also using Trump's failures to hurt his vote share while expanding their own*. *holy mother of god was that a run on sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, denstorebog said: While I agree with the notion that his approval will never reach a new peak, do you base this percentage on approval polls? I'm asking because I have yet to see the approval poll that convinces me that disillusioned 2016 Trump voters will not turn out for him again once he's put up against an opponent and the propaganda machine starts doing its work. As such, I view approval polls as meaningful only in the sense that they can affect the current political discourse, Congress' willingness to stand up to Trump, etc., not as meaningful tools for telling us how much voter turnout Trump has lost. Kind of. I'm using the high end as what he got in 2016, and considering his approval ratings have been significantly lower than that for some time now, I think it's fair to conclude, at this point in time, that Trump at best will hold that high end number and possibly lose votes. But as I just laid out that's only half of the equation. Democrats must find a way to expand their vote share, and I think Trump makes that job a lot easier for them so long as they pick a good candidate. For the time being, Democrats need to figure out how to increase the number of likely voters for their candidate rather than worrying about Trump's numbers. That comes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 18 hours ago, Fragile Bird said: A long time ago, several years ago, golf reporters who played with Trump said he was an excellent player. In fact in ranking presidents, they have said Trump's skill level is the highest of all presidents. However, they have also said the problem is he cheats. If you play golf and score your golf game in a friendly game, you know that many people will overlook some of the rules of golf when they play. They'll drop the ball at a better spot, they accidentally touch the ball and not take a stroke etc. so while he scored himself as a 72, it could easily have been a 74 or a 76. Still a good score, but not good enough for him. Lol, you posted this, almost word for word last year. Also, can he really claim his scores if he's not actually walking the course? Could he even do it still? And why hasn't he been banned from golfing for always driving his car on to the green? All valid questions in my not at all humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Lol, you posted this, almost word for word last year. Also, can he really claim his scores if he's not actually walking the course? Could he even do it still? And why hasn't he been banned from golfing for always driving his car on to the green? All valid questions in my not at all humble opinion. Lol, good memory! Oh heavens, golf carts were allowed a long time ago. They are even allowed in competition, unless they are forbidden. The PGA does not allow the use of golf carts unless there's a medical reason, which doesn't happen too often, because normally you probably can't play golf if you have a medical condition. The last time a cart was allowed I think someone had a foot or leg injury but could still play, so a cart was allowed. I didn't know Trump drives his cart on the green. That would be on his own golf courses, I guess. Because rules don't apply to him. Which just confirms what I said about what your golf game says about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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