Iron Mother

Exonerating Littlefinger Once And For All (S05E03 TRANSCRIPT)

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2 hours ago, valgrel said:

All people in Winterfell great hall wanted LF dead, Sansa organized the execution. I think the only one who wants Sansa dead in Westeros is Cersei, maybe not even anymore as she knows Sansa was not involved in Joffrey's death. 

Robb beheaded Karstark, Jon beheaded Slynt, hanged Thorne, Olly, Daenerys burned Randyll and Dickon Tarly, Grey Worm killed 2 wise masters, all these deathes only because they deserved it. Do you think the executioners deserve to die for that too ?

Sansa should have killed Littlefinger herself.

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2 hours ago, Iron Mother said:

The sins of Sansa include:

- Murder
- Killing
- Despotism
- Treason
- High Treachery
- Abortion
- Using underlings to carry out her bent will
- Forsaking the code of Ned and Catelyn Stark
- Disavowing the sacred oath of Guest Rite
- Offering no trial to an accused
- ?

But where is her Justice?  She is apparently a heroine to viewers.  How is she even different from Cersei?  Cersei at least is aware and acknowledges she is evil.  Sansa sits at the high table with clean hands and feels she is deserving of every good thing.  Most viewers hate Cersei (even if loving to hate her) but the issue of Sansa remains a dark cloud of confusion.

Sansa is one Evil Bird.  And she drags womankind into the dirt by association.  Exerting no power of her own, crying and relying on MEN and begging MEN for help, and above all this, blaming those men for the outcome when it does not go in her favor.

I will assert Cersei has "created" a phallic instrument in The Mountain to carry out her will and for protection.  Sansa has now a phallic instrument of her own in Brienne.  These two "women" are more alike than similar.  Except, I have much more respect for Cersei in her honesty of it.

Please feel free to add to the list 

And where was abortion? I feel like I missed a step and woke up "tangled in strings.... strings..."

Anyone get the reference?

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3 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Sansa should have killed Littlefinger herself.

She'd probably have needed several blows to get his head off.  Arya cutting his throat was more merciful

 

2 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

And where was abortion? I feel like I missed a step and woke up "tangled in strings.... strings..."

Anyone get the reference?

I don't know where they murder comes from either.

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1 minute ago, SeanF said:

She'd probably have needed several blows to get his head off.  Arya cutting his throat was more merciful

 

I don't know where they murder comes from either.

I was thinking that Sansa would slit his throat, but my point is that Sansa passes the sentence, she should be the executioner. If she's a Northern leader like her father...

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1 minute ago, Angel Eyes said:

I was thinking that Sansa would slit his throat, but my point is that Sansa passes the sentence, she should be the executioner. If she's a Northern leader like her father...

Even that can be a botched job if you aren't used to it.

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7 minutes ago, SeanF said:

Even that can be a botched job if you aren't used to it.

Not like Arya is that much practiced either. I made a count of the ways Arya has killed people up to The Dragon and the Wolf:

Stabbing: stable boy (The Pointy End), Frey soldier (Mhysa), Lannister soldier, Polliver (Two Swords), Rorge (Mockingbird), The Waif (No One)

Slit throat: Meryn Trant (Mother's Mercy), Walder Frey (The Winds of Winter)

Poison: Ghita (Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken), A bunch of Freys (Dragonstone)

?: Lothar Frey, Black Walder Rivers (The Winds of Winter).

Total kill count: 11 by end of Season 6, 50+ by end of Season 7

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24 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

I was thinking that Sansa would slit his throat, but my point is that Sansa passes the sentence, she should be the executioner. If she's a Northern leader like her father...

As northern rulers are usually skilled fighters, that  seems fair they execute the sentences they pass. Maybe we should ask Sam to look in the archives if there was never an exception to that rule, with a woman with no fighting skills in charge of the North for example, or a man with physical abilities like Bran's.

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37 minutes ago, Daske said:

That was not actually what was shown though. The way it was ultimately shown in the final edit strongly suggested that the at least some of the sister's actions were staged. There is nothing to suggest that Arya and Sansa at any point really considered killing each other given how it played out.

They did spring a trap on him.

I disagree. They tried to make it look like that, maybe, but it is obvious that was not what was going on during the earlier scenes. I think it was obvious, even with that edit, that it was a last minute choice to salvage what was ultimately a very poorly executed plotline for the Stark sisters - and Bran just saved them off-screen instead of onscreen.

By "spring a trap" I mean that it is obvious that they have caught Littlefinger out and have real evidence to trap him. The only reason why that scene we ended up getting worked is, again, because Littlefinger is so randomly freaked out by Bran. They didn't have any true evidence.

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1 hour ago, Faera said:

Littlefinger lost me the moment he gave Sansa over to the Boltons

I am beginning to believe (seriously now, no joke) there is some brainwashing cult out there on the internet where human beings are being secretly transformed into livestock.  I really did not understand the DEPTH of this mass confusion and error until this thread.

People really do gloss right over actual and real events to arrive at conclusions with no foundation in reality.

AT. ALL.

If one more person says Sansa was GIVEN or SOLD or PROGRAMMED or HELD AT GUNPOINT by Littlefinger to do anything I will definitely scream.

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8 minutes ago, Iron Mother said:

I am beginning to believe (seriously now, no joke) there is some brainwashing cult out there on the internet where human beings are being secretly transformed into livestock.  I really did not understand the DEPTH of this mass confusion and error until this thread.

People really do gloss right over actual and real events to arrive at conclusions with no foundation in reality.

AT. ALL.

If one more person says Sansa was GIVEN or SOLD or PROGRAMMED or HELD AT GUNPOINT by Littlefinger to do anything I will definitely scream.

She wasn’t turned into livestock, it’s a figurative term and I’m surprised Littlefinger thought of proposing this match.

Do you think she deserved to be raped by Ramsay?

 

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1 hour ago, Lady Barbrey said:

Wow Iron Mother, you seem to be defending LF as if he hadn't done all the manipulative and cruel things he was accused of

I will only say this one more time:

None of this is about Littlefinger's "crimes" or "sins" EXCEPT where concerning RAMSEY BOLTON AND SANSA BLAMING HIM FOR EVERYTHING RAMSEY BOLTON and that she murdered him without trial in revenge while claiming it was for all his other sins.

This thread is about Sansa Stark's real motivation for hating Littlefinger, not about what Littlefinger did.  If you want to simplify, please do a simple equation - if your math does not contain "RAMSEY BOLTON", it does not belong in this thread.  There may be many threads out there JUDGING Littlefinger for every crime/sin on Earth, this is the thread about WHY DOES SANSA REALLY HATE LITTLEFINGER and LITTLEFINGER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR RAMSEY BOLTON.

Might you pass the word around on that?  Thank you, good sister.

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1 hour ago, Angel Eyes said:

Also weird was not knowing how vile Ramsay was, considering his network of spies and the resources he has.

This lie/error continues even in the face of all evidence to the contrary.  The transcript was included to dispel these errors and lies.

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1 hour ago, jcmontea said:

He was actually guilty of every charge levelled against him. 

He was executed because Sansa blamed him for Ramsey Bolton -- which he was not guilty of in any manner.  Sansa used his other crimes/sins to publicly condemn him, but her true motivation for hatred against him is perfectly clear.

These lies must end.

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2 minutes ago, Iron Mother said:

I will only say this one more time:

None of this is about Littlefinger's "crimes" or "sins" EXCEPT where concerning RAMSEY BOLTON AND SANSA BLAMING HIM FOR EVERYTHING RAMSEY BOLTON and that she murdered him without trial in revenge while claiming it was for all his other sins.

This thread is about Sansa Stark's real motivation for hating Littlefinger, not about what Littlefinger did.  If you want to simplify, please do a simple equation - if your math does not contain "RAMSEY BOLTON", it does not belong in this thread.  There may be many threads out there JUDGING Littlefinger for every crime/sin on Earth, this is the thread about WHY DOES SANSA REALLY HATE LITTLEFINGER and LITTLEFINGER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR RAMSEY BOLTON.

Might you pass the word around on that?  Thank you, good sister.

umm... that sounds like the type of fine distinction a lawyer would draw. an actual human being who was raped by Ramsey Bolton would probably hate Littelfinger for arranging the marriage. As she says, he either knew and if he didn't he was an idiot. 

but that is clearly not why she killed him. otherwise she would have killed him last year either in 6x05 or right after the BOB. 

She killed him because he was trying to get Sansa to eliminate Arya and when she spoke to Bran about it realized that he had also killed Jon Aryn, betrayed her father, tried to have her brother assassinated, and instigated the entire Stark-Lanister war. 

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Just now, Iron Mother said:

He was executed because Sansa blamed him for Ramsey Bolton -- which he was not guilty of in any manner.  Sansa used his other crimes/sins to publicly condemn him, but her true motivation for hatred against him is perfectly clear.

These lies must end.

the timeline as i said above does not support that. 

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3 minutes ago, Iron Mother said:

I will only say this one more time:

None of this is about Littlefinger's "crimes" or "sins" EXCEPT where concerning RAMSEY BOLTON AND SANSA BLAMING HIM FOR EVERYTHING RAMSEY BOLTON and that she murdered him without trial in revenge while claiming it was for all his other sins.

This thread is about Sansa Stark's real motivation for hating Littlefinger, not about what Littlefinger did.  If you want to simplify, please do a simple equation - if your math does not contain "RAMSEY BOLTON", it does not belong in this thread.  There may be many threads out there JUDGING Littlefinger for every crime/sin on Earth, this is the thread about WHY DOES SANSA REALLY HATE LITTLEFINGER and LITTLEFINGER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR RAMSEY BOLTON.

Might you pass the word around on that?  Thank you, good sister.

Plausible deniability. That’s how Ramsay factors in.

If Littlefinger didn’t know, that makes him stupid and out of character. If he did know, that makes him an enemy. Littlefinger destroyed Sansa’s trust in him by arranging the match. 

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1 hour ago, jcmontea said:

Yea. I think the main reasons are 

1.) lots of LF fans can’t stand him going out like the pathetic man he was

No, some people can make the distinction between LF being a bad guy AND Sansa murdering him in revenge for RAMSEY BOLTON for which he was not responsible.

Obviously you are not able to make that distinction.

*please escort jcmontana to the lobby*

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1 hour ago, MinscS2 said:

Pointing out that LF was actually guilty of the crimes he was charged with does not automatically mean that anyone is "rushing to Sansas aid".

Littlefinger was guilty of many things.  However, he was not guilty for RAMSEY BOLTON -- the actual reason Sansa murdered him while claiming it was for other things in public.

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I read the transcript about Sansa agreeing to Littlefinger's plan. It was a Catch-22, either she goes, or either she goes. It's just a matter of feeling better about a chance for revenge. 

Anyways, you didn't answer my bloody question: Did she deserve to be raped by Ramsay? 

Littlefinger should have seen it coming when Ramsay said he wouldn't hurt Sansa. A liar should know another liar. Which points to Littlefinger knowing and not telling Sansa.

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3 minutes ago, Iron Mother said:

Littlefinger was guilty of many things.  However, he was not guilty for RAMSEY BOLTON -- the actual reason Sansa murdered him while claiming it was for other things in public.

If that was the reason than why did Sansa wait a year to kill him and only do so after he tried to turn her against her sister and after she found out about how he was responsible for almost destroying her family? 

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