Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Kajjo

Arya gets punished for killing Meryn Trant

15 posts in this topic

End of season 2 Jaqen H'ghar told Arya that if she follows him to Bravos:

Quote

A girl has many names on her lips... Joffrey, Cersei, ... names to offer to the Red God... she could offer them all. One by one."

In Bravos Arya kills Meryn Trant in the Bravos brothel. Jaqen then punishes her by blinding.

Why? Where is the logic? Why is she not allowed to deal the gift of death? 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A girl can kill whoever she wants. No one cannot.

Normally, Faceless Men only kill their assigned targets, and they only get assigned targets they aren't familiar with, and of course those targets are people someone has paid for. We know that isn't always the case,* but we don't know when exactly those exceptions are allowed. Maybe if Arya had completed her training, there would be some procedure where she'd be allowed to request the deaths of Joffrey, Cersei, etc. (Maybe they get an employee discount…)

But Arya didn't complete her training. In fact, she's in the middle of being tested to verify whether she really has become no one. Killing people on her own initiative, especially people that Arya wants dead, proves that she's failing that test, and needs to be corrected.

You could argue that it was pretty fucked up for Jaqen to entice her to the temple by telling her she can kill Joffrey, without mentioning that she'll have to go through years of training before it even might be allowed. From the point of view of their order, and their god, it's probably a good idea, and maybe he even believes that Arya will be better off as a FM—but do those ends justify the means of misleading a traumatized 12-year-old girl through her thirst for vengeance? I'd say probably not, but then I'm not a member of a murder cult that thinks death is a reward, so I'm not sure my morals are relevant here…

---

* For example, when Jaqen gives Arya three names, she hasn't paid at the temple, he takes the assignment directly from her rather than from the temple, and he doesn't object that those names are familiar to him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Falcotron said it a lot better than I could. But she was on a mission as a "no one", she had a contract to fulfill yet didn't do it, and allowed her to act as Arya would, not the way a Faceless man/woman would. She had a task, she acted on emotion and bypassed that task, thus not doing what was asked of her as a no one, she had to be punished.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

By the way, there was a good thread on this at the time it happened, which I can't find, but it raised the point that we don't even know whether this was a standard criminal punishment to deter Faceless Men in general from breaking a "law" of the order, or a student correction meant to teach Arya a lesson, or even a normal part of the curriculum, where all trainees get blinded on some pretext so they learn how to deal with it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 16.10.2017 at 11:43 PM, falcotron said:

where all trainees get blinded on some pretext so they learn how to deal with it.

I am sure this is not the case, because Arya defeats the Waif because she is trained in blind/dark. If blind training wre a default lessen of the training curriculum, the Waif would be able to fight in the dark as well as Arya.

On 16.10.2017 at 10:36 AM, falcotron said:

You could argue that it was pretty fucked up for Jaqen to entice her to the temple by telling her she can kill Joffrey, without mentioning that she'll have to go through years of training before it even might be allowed.

Thanks for you explanation ... however, I agree most the the paragraph above. Jaqen lured her to Bravos, offering her to kill all the names on her list. This was misleading and unfair.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have given this some thought in the past.  I honestly think that Jaqen has always had a soft spot for his young friend Arya.  What's funny, is that nobody has ever really brought up the fact that Jaqen was probably the last person who needed saving in the first place.  I feel like he saw something in her, and let things play out the way they did along the way in order to get her to join the FM.  So while he probably indeed lured her into joining, I think it was his plan to begin with, in order to train her, etc.  

I also find it hard to believe the FM would just allow others to leave the group so easily, especially after having been exposed to all of their secrets and methods.  But again, I think Jaqen has a soft spot for her, which is why she was allowed to go back to Westeros.  I do, however find it surprising that he hasn't shown back up to address the fact that she has exposed their secrets to others, i.e. showing/explaining to Sansa how she is able to wear faces of others.  Maybe we see Jaqen again in season 8...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Blindness wasn't punishment. At least it wasn't an intentional punishment. It was a direct consequence of Arya using 'face', while she wasn't 'prepared' for that yet.

Didn't anyone alse, aside from me, realised what actually happened?

'Magic' of Faceless Men is actually a technology, and not something out of this world.

They take off skin of dead people, their faces. Then they saturate those skins with special chemicals, that prevent them from decaying, turn them into masks that could be worn, and when it will be 'worn' it will look like living faces.

But aside from 'preservation', those chemicals also have another purpose - it's to prevent outsiders from using 'masks'. Thus if someone who isn't a Faceless Men, will somehow get one of those masks, and use it, then that person will become blind - poisoned by chemicals from the mask. What happened with Arya.

And water from that reservoir in their temple, is an antidote against those chemicals.

Apparently that water acts like a poison for average people. But with addition of other substances, it has different properties.

While Arya was blind, Jagen taught her how to make those chemicals, how to make 'faces', how to preserve skin, etc. There was even a scene where she was doing some chemistry 'experiments', while Jagen was beside her and acknowledged that she's doing good.

Probably prior wearing 'face', Faceless Men take an antidote, that prevent them from being influenced by chemicals from the mask. Either they take that antidote every time prior they use the 'face', or it's enough to consume antidote only once, and it forever makes them immune to those chemicals. 

Probably water in their temple, is also some sort of chemical, and not a 'magic water'. It's 'artificial' and not a natural water, it's 'cooked', synthesized. Either that is the antidote, or any of them can prepare that antidote.

The way in which Faceless Men make those masks, prevent other people from stealing them, and using their technology. Because even if somehow someone will manage to steal a 'face' from Faceless Man, then that person won't get far. When he/she will use that mask, it will blind them.

1 hour ago, Jaehaerys Stark said:

I do, however find it surprising that he hasn't shown back up to address the fact that she has exposed their secrets to others, i.e. showing/explaining to Sansa how she is able to wear faces of others.  Maybe we see Jaqen again in season 8...

If masks are indeed saturated with 'poison', that will blind 'unregistered users', then it doesn't matter whether Arya will tell anyone about her masks. Other people won't be able to use them. Most likely antidote is available only in Faceless God's temple. Thus Faceless Men are not afraid, that their technology will be stolen. Jagen let Arya go, they already made her to consume antidote, and they taught her to make masks, so she can make new masks and use them, but she won't be able to give this technology to anyone alse. Because without antidote, usage of masks is poisonous. Thus Faceless Men's technology is exclusive, and copyright protected.

Though I'm sure that Jagen will return in next season. Because he still owns one death to Arya. So he will be in King's Landing, near two people who are left on Arya's list - Cersei and the Mountain. And the most convenient for Jagen method to be near his targets, is to impersonate manager of Iron Bank, Tycho Nestoris.

Furthermore I think that Tycho Nestoris is, and always was, Jagen H'ghar. That's how he knew that Arya used the mask, and killed Meryn Trant - when Arya was following after delegation from King's Landing, that arrived for negotiations with Iron Bank, he saw her there. On that day she was supposed to be killing 'Thin man', but instead she spyed after Meryn Trant, and followed them to Iron Bank, and from there to brothel, where she later killed him.

So when she got back from her 'secret mission', and went to return the mask, they waited for her. And they knew exactly where she was, and what she did. 

Edited by Megorova

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Megorova said:

'Magic' of Faceless Men is actually a technology, and not something out of this world.

They take off skin of dead people, their faces. Then they saturate those skins with special chemicals, that prevent them from decaying, turn them into masks that could be worn, and when it will be 'worn' it will look like living faces.

But aside from 'preservation', those chemicals also have another purpose - it's to prevent outsiders from using 'masks'. Thus if someone who isn't a Faceless Men, will somehow get one of those masks, and use it, then that person will become blind - poisoned by chemicals from the mask. What happened with Arya.

No. If the masks were something "scientific", they wouldn't change the wearer's build, or their voice, or give the wearer memories, and Faceless Men masks do all of these things. And, while the show hasn't given us quite as much as the books, we still know all of this is true on the show—the young man who kills Lady Crane is much larger than the Waif, Walder Frey is taller than Arya, etc.

Also, Arya doesn't go blind shortly after she puts on the face. In fact, she doesn't go blind until she returns to the temple and removes it. Which would make it a pretty crappy deterrent. If anyone who steals a face can use it to commit the perfect crime, at the cost of going temporarily blind the next day, a lot of people would do it.

And finally, Face/Off isn't actually a scientific documentary. There is no way to chemically treat faces so they stay alive, can be put over your face, and then move according to your face muscles. (Plus, while it may in principle be possible to make a poison that temporarily blinds you, and stays in your system keeping you blind until you take an antidote, at which point it goes away instantly, that's far beyond modern medical technology—it would presumably require some specially designed virus, or a self-replicating nanomachine—so it's pretty implausible that people with medieval biology could do it.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, falcotron said:

No. If the masks were something "scientific", they wouldn't change the wearer's build, or their voice, or give the wearer memories

It's a mix of science and magic. Or rather it's a sort of 'supernatural' science - science so advanced, and so far from human understanding, that it seems to be magic-like.

For example - try to explain to australian bushman, whose path never prior crossed with civilisation, and never met white people, how television works, with what method people were made small and stuffed into that screen. Even if you will be explaining about digital formating, projections, microchips, etc., to that bushman, what you will be saying will sound like some weird magical mambo jambo Abracadabra.

What proves my theory about FM's technique being scientific, is that to switch their apearance, they actually need a face. While in case with 'real magic', it could be done without. For example like transfiguration or animaging in Harry Potter Universe. Or how vampires turn into bats. Or how Loki turned into Odin in the end of movie Thor.

5 hours ago, falcotron said:

Also, Arya doesn't go blind shortly after she puts on the face. In fact, she doesn't go blind until she returns to the temple and removes it.

She removed her mask, while she was in brothel. When she killed MT, she showed him her real face. So prior she became blind, she returned to the temple, and put the face back, and at that time the effect of poison kicked in. It's not an instant poison.

5 hours ago, falcotron said:

Which would make it a pretty crappy deterrent. If anyone who steals a face can use it to commit the perfect crime, at the cost of going temporarily blind the next day, a lot of people would do it.

She became blind, maybe one hour or so, after putting mask on.

Also who's saying about blindness effect being temporare? Whoever will steal one of masks, to use it, won't be cured by Faceless Men afterwards. Arya was treated because she wasn't a complete outsider, and because Jagen gave her another chance. Anyone else, will remain blind permanently.

5 hours ago, falcotron said:

There is no way to chemically treat faces so they stay alive, can be put over your face, and then move according to your face muscles.

Not in our world. No. But there, it is possible. The thing is - fictional science is something much more than science of real world.

For example robots and lasers, in fiction books, written in early 19 century.

5 hours ago, falcotron said:

while it may in principle be possible to make a poison that temporarily blinds you, and stays in your system keeping you blind until you take an antidote, at which point it goes away instantly

The poison causes blindness. That blindness is permanent. Who knows how exactly does it work? But there's many ways how it could. Like affecting brain, and causing eye nerves to stop transmitting information into brain. Or blocking eye with chemical membrane. Or affecting eye, and making its retina to become untransparrent. And so on.

Whatever it does, the effect could be removed by drinking antidote.

Quote

that's far beyond modern medical technology

 

People know very little.

5 hours ago, falcotron said:

so it's pretty implausible that people with medieval biology could do it

Qyburn didn't used any magic on the Mountain. He kept him alive with use of science and medicine.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-technology/brain-surgery-ancient-times-00869

Over 6,000 year ago, people in our world were able to perform successful brain surgeries.

If we in modern time, can't do something on our level of development, it doesn't mean that people in earlier time periods, also couldn't do it.

5 hours ago, falcotron said:

some specially designed virus, or a self-replicating nanomachine

Not necessary. That effect (blindness) could be achieved with purely biological methods.

Edited by Megorova

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, Megorova said:

It's a mix of science and magic. Or rather it's a sort of 'supernatural' science - science so advanced, and so far from human understanding, that it seems to be magic-like.

Sure, Clarke's third law—any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. But that doesn't mean any magic must be sufficiently advanced technology.

GRRM has talked about the fact that he thinks magic in fantasy should not be science, as in this SSM.

Also, advanced technology requires advanced science. Nobody could invent television without understanding Maxwell's laws, and optics, and 20th century materials science. And nobody could invent anything like the FM faces without biological science far in advance of the early 21st century. Which the people of Braavos manifestly do not have.

18 hours ago, Megorova said:

What proves my theory about FM's technique being scientific, is that to switch their apearance, they actually need a face. While in case with 'real magic', it could be done without. For example like transfiguration or animaging in Harry Potter Universe. Or how vampires turn into bats. Or how Loki turned into Odin in the end of movie Thor.

Nonsense. Lots of magic requires some form of material component. It's such a familiar idea that it's baked into D&D—you can't cast Fireball without a pinch of sulfur, or Detect Undead without a handful of grave dirt. In real-life myth, you can't make a voodoo doll without a piece of the person's hair, you can't cure jaundice without burning herbs with yellow sap, and you can't propitiate the hunt god without a painting of the animal you're seeking.

The FM faces are standard sympathetic magic via imitation.

18 hours ago, Megorova said:

She removed her mask, while she was in brothel. When she killed MT, she showed him her real face. So prior she became blind, she returned to the temple, and put the face back, and at that time the effect of poison kicked in. It's not an instant poison..

Which makes it not very useful as a deterrent. Maybe you wouldn't risk blindness to carry out a perfect crime and make it look like someone else did it. But would you risk blindness in one of your Unsullied soldiers to do it? Of course you would, as long as the value of the crime is greater than the value of the slave.

18 hours ago, Megorova said:

For example robots and lasers, in fiction books, written in early 19 century.

It seems like you don't get the difference between magic and science fiction.

19th century science fictional robots were extrapolating from the science of the time. People were making automata driven by precisely-machined gears that imitated life to a degree that would have seemed impossible a century earlier, so a few writers extrapolated that with ten times as many components and even more careful design, someone could make an automaton that could think and talk. Of course they didn't give a patentable gear diagram, and we now know that it would take many orders of magnitude more complexity than they thought, but it's still science fiction, in the same way as Asimov's robots a century later.

19th century magical robots were using age-old superstitions that everyone in their society was familiar with. If God can breathe life into men, maybe by means of black magic, you can trick God into breathing life into a clay model of a man. That's not science fiction, it's magic.

18 hours ago, Megorova said:

Over 6,000 year ago, people in our world were able to perform successful brain surgeries.

If we in modern time, can't do something on our level of development, it doesn't mean that people in earlier time periods, also couldn't do it.

But we in modern times can do brain surgery, and routinely do. And much more advanced brain surgery than the kind of stuff documented by Hippocrates, like trepanation to relieve swelling on the brain. That's not only trivial for modern medicine, it was being done in every age between Hippocrates and the beginnings of modern medicine.

And there's actually an interesting point here. Evidence seems to show that more people survived simple brain surgeries in 400 BC than in 800 AD. Why? What secret knowledge did they lose? As it turns out, nothing. Doctors in 400 BC believed that cleanliness was important, for scientific reasons that turned out to be completely false—but of course it turns out that cleanliness is important for reasons that no one could have understood before the 18th century. Doctors have gone back and forth on the importance of cleanliness over the centuries, but it was always a matter of guesswork, incorrect pseudoscience, and mysticism guiding them. The ones who guessed right didn't understand germ theory, they just guessed right. And, in fact, if you look at it in more detail than just "clean surgeries are generally better", you can see that the ancients were wrong about a lot of details that would have kept even more patients alive if they'd guessed right.

18 hours ago, Megorova said:

Not necessary. That effect (blindness) could be achieved with purely biological methods.

How is a virus not a biological method?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, falcotron said:

It seems like you don't get the difference between magic and science fiction.

I get it, I just used simplest examples. But Ok, lets use something more advanced.

Time travel. For now - magic, but in the future, who knows? may become part of science. Actually it's already actively researched - possibility of time travel.

Magical creation of numerous identical things and beings - copying, 3D printing, and cloning <- already available thru science in our world.

Magical sleep that lasts for many years, or even centuries, without any changes in person that is sleeping (like Princess in Sleeping Beauty fairytail, like Odin's sleep in Thor movie) - cryonics.

Magical influencing of weather by magicians or shamans, like creating rains, causing earthquakes, making rivers change their direction - all of it is already done by modern technology and science.

Same result as created by magic, could be achived by science. It is the same thing. And the only difference in them, is that magic is kept in secret, and kept limited to small number of people able to cast it. While science is available for general populance, and explained to people in simple and understandable form.

Magic is science, only very advanced and beyond human understanding. Though to use magic, you don't have to understand it, same as to watch TV, you don't have to know how exactly it works.

3 hours ago, falcotron said:

And there's actually an interesting point here. Evidence seems to show that more people survived simple brain surgeries in 400 BC than in 800 AD. Why? What secret knowledge did they lose? As it turns out, nothing.

Actually there are many things that were known by ancient people, but somehow were lost, and were unknown in medieval times, and became researched and known again in modern times. Seems that either ancient people knew those things on intuitive level, or they were taught of it by aliens/ancient gods :)

3 hours ago, falcotron said:

How is a virus not a biological method?

You also mentioned there nanomachines, and that's not a biological method. It's not possible to create nanomachines in those times in Planetos, their science and technology isn't that advanced.

Also to create a virus, they would need equipment to research their experiments, like microscopes, and completely isolated and fully controled environment for those viruses, and this can't be achieved on level of Faceless Men. Also why to bother with something so complicated and hard to make, if they can use something much simpler. Some simple chemical, created by mix of few components, would be much easier to make, and use.

14 minutes ago, Megorova said:

difference between magic and science fiction

Basically all of it are one and the same, only on different level of human understanding.

Magic is something that is above current level of human understanding. Science fiction is basically a guidebook, that simplefies and explaines some of magical things, making them more understandable, and their concept reachable by general public. While science and technology is a real world embodiment of magical things, or rather the way/method thru which those things are created in real world.

Edited by Megorova

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Arya didn't go blind because of the effects of the mask. It was quite obvious the blindness were her punishment. In fact Jaqen even alludes to it when he says somethng like, "you took away the mans eyes" or something like that, I don't remember the exact quote right now, but it was definitely a result of disobedience.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 20.10.2017 at 6:42 PM, RhaegoTheUnborn said:

Arya didn't go blind because of the effects of the mask. It was quite obvious the blindness were her punishment. In fact Jaqen even alludes to it when he says somethng like, "you took away the mans eyes" or something like that, I don't remember the exact quote right now, but it was definitely a result of disobedience.

No, there was nothing like that.

I'm not talking how same events happened in a book version, but on the show it is obvious that she became blind because of the mask, and she became cured because Jagen gave her an antidote. Watch again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljFljgf2USk

Script 5x10, text parts in bold not just imply, why happened what happened, Jagen SAID IT:

"WAIF: Why are you crying?

ARYA: He was my friend.

WAIF: No he wasn’t. Didn’t you listen to him?

JAQEN (O.S.): He was no one.

Arya turns to see a man looking identical to Jaqen standing behind her.

ARYA: But if you’re… (looks to the Jaqen who drank the potion and is seemingly dead) Who’s this?

JAQEN: No one at all. Just as a girl should have been before she took a face from the hall.

Arya reaches and pulls off the Jaqen face, revealing the face of an old man.

JAQEN: The faces are for no one.

Arya pulls off the old man face to reveal a younger man’s face.

JAQEN: You are still someone.

Arya pulls off the young man’s face to reveal a different old man.

JAQEN: And to someone…

Arya pulls off multiple faces, revealing the face of multiple different men.

JAQEN: ...the faces are as good as poison.

Arya pulls off the final face and sees her own face staring back at her.

ARYA: I can’t see!

Arya’s vision begins to blur until the screen goes black.

ARYA: What’s happening?! What’s happening?!"

 

Apparently prior becoming 100% No one, there is some sort of a ritual, like initiation, or something like that. Probably consumption of antidote, that makes newest adept to become immune to poison in masks, is part of that ritual.

Maybe in the book, blindness was punishment, but I'm referring only to what happened in GOT-version.

Also on show, Jagen said:

"JAQEN: That man’s life wasn’t yours to take. A girl stole from the Many Faced God. Now a debt is owed.

Jaqen holds up the same vial he gave to Arya to give to the Thin Man. The waif holds Arya’s face up near the vial as she struggles.

JAQEN: Only death can pay for life.

Jaqen drinks the vial and then falls straight to the ground.

ARYA: No! No! No, you don’t die! Don’t die! (sobs)"

So Jagen's life was a payment for Arya taking someone else's life. Which proves again, that her blindness is not a punishment, fake-Jagen's death IS punishment, and Arya's blindness is result of using poisonous mask.

Edited by Megorova

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He says quite clearly that Trants life wasn't hers to take. "A girl stole from the many faced God", I'm interpreting that as she took a life that wasn't meant to be stopped at that by Arya. They talk about destinies  a lot in the show, so thats how I see it being interpreted. He goes on to say "A face is for no one, you are still someone", she was acting as Arya wanted to kill Meryn Trant so she did, but she was supposed to be a no-one, she had a contract to fulfill, she bypassed all that and like I said, she acted as Arya would , not as a no-one, like she should've. We obviously have different interpretations of that scene and whats said in it. But if what you're saying is the case, why isn't Arya still blind? She never was a no-one, she wasn't accepted to the organization, Jaqen let her live after she killed his pupil, she's trained in assassinations and she's a skilled swordswoman now, but she's still  Arya Stark, in Winterfell. She's not a Faceless Woman, yet she still has masks and is actively collecting them. If what you're saying is true, then Arya shouldve been blinded AGAIN, after she used a mask to kil Ol' Walder Frey.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, RhaegoTheUnborn said:

But if what you're saying is the case, why isn't Arya still blind? She never was a no-one, she wasn't accepted to the organization, Jaqen let her live after she killed his pupil, she's trained in assassinations and she's a skilled swordswoman now, but she's still  Arya Stark, in Winterfell. She's not a Faceless Woman, yet she still has masks and is actively collecting them. If what you're saying is true, then Arya shouldve been blinded AGAIN, after she used a mask to kil Ol' Walder Frey.

She drank antidote, her vision returned, and she became immune to poison from masks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K4JxHB_kj4

In this video several important things happened, while Arya was blind, and returned to FM's Temple:

1. she learned many of their secrets, including how to make masks;

2. based on her conversation with Waif, it became apparent that FM are not an all knowing beings

(when Arya said that she had 4 brothers, Waif hit her, but when Arya corrected herself saying that she had 3 brothers and 1 half-brother, Waif didn't hit her again. Even though Jon is not Arya's brother, or half-brother, he's her cousin. But Waif didn't knew it. Which means that FM don't know things that are unknown. They know many things, but that's because they have a spy network, and receive all sorts of information thru it. Also it's not a secret to anyone, that Jon Snow is supposedly the Bastard of Winterfell.

Also when Arya said something like she didn't hated the Hound anymore, Waif hit her, even though Arya didn't lied, she really didn't hated the Hound by the time they met Brienne.);

3. FM asked Arya who else is on her list (Waif was the one who asked, but Jagen also was there and heard everything) - Cersei, the Mountain, and Walder Frey.

(So when Walder Frey and all other Freys died, Jagen knew that it was Arya's doing. So he knows that Arya didn't went to Winterfell, like she said she would. He knows that she didn't dropped her revenge obsession. So he knows that eventually she will come after Cersei and the Mountain. Thus when she will come to KL, Jagen will be already there, either to kill Arya, for using FM's technology, or to help her, because he still owns her one death.)

4. her vision returned because she drunk antidote

(there was nothing magical in her recovery. Actually she didn't truly became No one, she was always Arya Stark. And she lied to FM, because she had nowhere else to go, and she also wanted to learn their skills, and became assasin like Jagen. Because on her past level, while she was traveling with the Hound, she wasn't strong enough to fight with someone like the Mountain, or to get to Cersei.

She became cured because of that water. And that water is antidote, and it doesn't matter whether whoever is drinking that water is a No one or not a No one.

Though previously we saw, that when little girl drunk that water, she died. So why to that girl, that water was poison, and to Arya it was a cure that restored her eyesight? Both of them weren't No one. So what's the difference between them?

The difference is that aside from drinking that 'water', Arya also was exposed to poison from mask. Thus that water alone is deadly poison, but in combination with 'mask poison' it became antidote to it. So if newly recruited No one will wear a mask, and then soon after it, will drink that water, then he/she won't become blind, furthermore, he/she will become immune to 'mask poison'. Or maybe it can work even in reversed order - drink poisonous water from 'magic' well in FM's Temple, and after it wear a mask, and instead of dying, like everyone else, who drunk that water, that person will survive, furthermore won't be blinded after using mask.).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0