Sigella Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I'm sort of annoyed that its Renly who gets himself a rainbow-guard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 That's the one thing that, according to GRRM, wasn't supposed to be a clue about Loras + Renly, just an extravagant, flashy gesture with no deeper symbolic meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I never even made the connection the first time I read the books. I saw it as a nod to the Faith of the Seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 It's a reference to the rainbow being a sacred symbol in the Faith of the Seven... I also don't see the correlation between the title of the thread and the OP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Lost Melnibonean said: I never even made the connection the first time I read the books. I saw it as a nod to the Faith of the Seven. I did but I also thought GRRM was hitting us over the head with Renly's sexuality where a lot of people didn't see it at first. The stuff from AGoT could go either way, even the cressen description. Stannis' quip and asking Loras to pray with him pretty put the nail(s) in the coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Orphalesion said: It's a reference to the rainbow being a sacred symbol in the Faith of the Seven... I also don't see the correlation between the title of the thread and the OP... I agree. With both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmedricko Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Just posting the SSM to back up what's already been said: The Rainbow Guard isn't meant to symbolize Renly's sexuality. It was more of a culmination of several unrelated things, such as the fact that he'd already used white for the Kingsguard and black for the Night's Watch. A rainbow is seven colors combined together in one object - he compared it to a shamrock being a Irish Catholic symbol of the Holy Trinity, three parts which make up one thing. Plus it has seven colors and is tied to the Seven, plus worshipers of the Seven use prism rainbows in their temples. -SSM 1316, MAY 06, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot_Of_The_King Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I don't understand how the title fits with the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 6 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said: I did but I also thought GRRM was hitting us over the head with Renly's sexuality where a lot of people didn't see it at first. The stuff from AGoT could go either way, even the cressen description. Stannis' quip and asking Loras to pray with him pretty put the nail(s) in the coffin. I knew the dude was gay, I just didn't make the rainbow connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Another cool thing is each member of the Rainbow Guard had their own color like a Power Ranger..However Loras never had a color and it always bugged the crap out of me. I guess he didn't want to be the indigo Knight. Although being the Lord Commander you'd think he'd get dibs on which ever color out of the seven he wanted. Maybe it was for the best their was no indigo Ranger as everyone would think he was a secret Targaryen or Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 18 hours ago, Orphalesion said: It's a reference to the rainbow being a sacred symbol in the Faith of the Seven... I also don't see the correlation between the title of the thread and the OP... 15 hours ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said: I agree. With both. 11 hours ago, Foot_Of_The_King said: I don't understand how the title fits with the OP. Well, since the rainbow is a real world symbol of gay-pride, I think it's a real world sighting within the books. Unintentional maybe, but still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot_Of_The_King Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 10 hours ago, Sigella said: Well, since the rainbow is a real world symbol of gay-pride, I think it's a real world sighting within the books. Unintentional maybe, but still there. Oh... I gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckPunch Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Honestly GRRM's claim that the gay pride flag wasn't a factor at all in his creating the Rainbow Guard is horse hockey. Sure, it wasn't a huge factor or even a significant one. But he HAD to be aware of it when writing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 6 hours ago, ChuckPunch said: Honestly GRRM's claim that the gay pride flag wasn't a factor at all in his creating the Rainbow Guard is horse hockey. Sure, it wasn't a huge factor or even a significant one. But he HAD to be aware of it when writing this. You've got to remember, he would have been writing Clash about twenty years ago, the rainbow flag has become a lot better known since then. I was going for a drink with my dad a few years ago and he suggested a bar with a giant rainbow flag over the entrance. He genuinely had no idea what it meant, and he's younger than GRRM. He's probably less worldly wise than GRRM, but still, it's very possible for someone that age not to make the immediate connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 13 hours ago, mankytoes said: You've got to remember, he would have been writing Clash about twenty years ago, the rainbow flag has become a lot better known since then. I was going for a drink with my dad a few years ago and he suggested a bar with a giant rainbow flag over the entrance. He genuinely had no idea what it meant, and he's younger than GRRM. He's probably less worldly wise than GRRM, but still, it's very possible for someone that age not to make the immediate connection. I know... I mean even the University of Hawaii wasn't even thinking about changing the name of the Rainbow Warriors back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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