purple-eyes Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 By the way, Danwell’s wife is a Whent no matter if she is Shella’s daughter. So she should be next in line for Harrenhal right? Is this a bug? Or GRRM simply forgot there is another Whent in Riverlands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, purple-eyes said: Lady Shella is dead. And since she is the last one, so this means all her 4 sons and her daughter died before her too? Pretty tragic. I wonder if the sons didn't die during Robert's Rebellion. 38 minutes ago, purple-eyes said: By the way, Danwell’s wife is a Whent no matter if she is Shella’s daughter. So she should be next in line for Harrenhal right? Is this a bug? Or GRRM simply forgot there is another Whent in Riverlands? I don't think he forgot about this Whent, but Harrenhal was lost because the Lannisters hold the throne. I imagine it will be restored to the Whents or might go to the Wodes when everything is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direpupy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, purple-eyes said: By the way, Danwell’s wife is a Whent no matter if she is Shella’s daughter. So she should be next in line for Harrenhal right? Is this a bug? Or GRRM simply forgot there is another Whent in Riverlands? She might be but it is equally possible Minisa Whent the Mother of Catelyn, Lysa and Edmure Tully came before her and if thats the case then the Tully's come first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 12 hours ago, Livesundersink said: Denys Arryn was married to one of Jon's nieces, the daughter of his sister, she and her son died shortly after Denys himself. Yeah, good catch. But we still know of no possible betrothals for Elbert Arryn who became the heir to the Vale as soon as his father died. With Sansa in the Vale and the current Harry situation going on there you'd think we'd get some more info on Elbert. He had to be one of the most desirable bachelors in Westeros during his time, yet we'v heard nothing of him so far in his homeland. All we know is that he was cool enough to be in Brandon Stark's entourage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livesundersink Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, Ralphis Baratheon said: Yeah, good catch. But we still know of no possible betrothals for Elbert Arryn who became the heir to the Vale as soon as his father died. With Sansa in the Vale and the current Harry situation going on there you'd think we'd get some more info on Elbert. He had to be one of the most desirable bachelors in Westeros during his time, yet we'v heard nothing of him so far in his homeland. All we know is that he was cool enough to be in Brandon Stark's entourage. Yeah, i don't know what's up with that. I've heard a theory that Jon Arryn was an instigator of the betrothal between Lyanna and Robert and possibly had an influence in the one between Catelyn and Brandon. If this was the case then one would think that he would have tried to negotiate an advantageous betrothal for Elbert as well, but as you said there is almost no mention of him whatsoever. Of course he might just have done so, but we don't know it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ralphis Baratheon said: Yeah, good catch. But we still know of no possible betrothals for Elbert Arryn who became the heir to the Vale as soon as his father died. With Sansa in the Vale and the current Harry situation going on there you'd think we'd get some more info on Elbert. He had to be one of the most desirable bachelors in Westeros during his time, yet we'v heard nothing of him so far in his homeland. All we know is that he was cool enough to be in Brandon Stark's entourage. Elbert Arryn should have gotten much more text considering he is the heir of Vale, future overlord just like Brandon Stark or Robert or Jaime. Yet GRRM only said very little about him which made him much less important than what he should be. This made me feel that he was perhaps a later addition and only served as an addtional reason for Jon Arryn to rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 20 hours ago, purple-eyes said: Not only Hoster Tully and his household were absent from tourney, but also Lord Rickard Stark. Rickard didn't come to the tourney because the "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 5 hours ago, purple-eyes said: Elbert Arryn should have gotten much more text considering he is the heir of Vale, future overlord just like Brandon Stark or Robert or Jaime. Yet GRRM only said very little about him which made him much less important than what he should be. This made me feel that he was perhaps a later addition and only served as an addtional reason for Jon Arryn to rebel. The more I think about it the more I think your right that he was maybe just an add on by the author. One would assume that Aerys would have been advised by his council to keep Elbert as a hostage to use against Jon Arryn and the Vale. Perhaps even offering some sort of an exchange that involved Robert and Eddard, even if they suspected Jon Arryn wouldn't agree to it. Also, I could be wrong about this, but from what I can gather, Aerys sent a raven to Jon Arryn ordering him to kill Robert and Eddard after he had already killed his nephew and heir Elbert. I know he's the Mad King and everything but that move was more stupid then it was cruel. I mean Aerys saw the wisdom in keeping Jaime Lannister and Elia Martell around as possible hostages. Why not the heir of the Vale? Lastly, as you said, Elbert's death should have had a much larger impact on RR as far as being a reason for Jon Arryn to call his banners. It's made to seem the main reason Jon Arryn called his banners was because he would not kill his foster sons, while the murder of his nephew and heir was just a footnote. Elbert Arryn's death should be just as big of a reason for the Vale to rebel as anything else, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Ambition is a good thing . IMHO Rickard Stark ambitions had nothing to do with opposing Aerys , he do not have a reason to .Sure Aerys was crazy , but people don't mess with crazy until crazy messes with them and as far as we know the only thing Aerys said about the north was ' That he intended to build a new wall hundreds of miles north of the old one. My belief is Rickard and Walys goal was to bring the north closer to the realm , in order to avoid what eventually happen , the northern succession from the realm . In the book AGOT Daenerys I ; Daenerys is recalling what Viserys places in Westeros which he did not include any place in the north , and in the Catelyn chapter when Great Jon Umber is giving his reasons for ruling in their name instead of the Baratheons or the Lannisters he basically says that they no nothing about the north .Then in the ASOS when Robb is determining his heir ,and Catelyn brings up Templetons or Corbrays , while Robb says Jon because he is more of the north than they . And finally in book ADWD when Jon had advised Stannis on how to recruit the mountain clans , unless he went up there personally to that they would neither fight for him or accept him as their king . It could partially explain why Brandon Stark challenge Rhaegar to the death , as far as we know before Robert B the last king to visit Winterfell was Jaehaerys , Brandon could have seen him as just another lord . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livesundersink Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 46 minutes ago, BRANDON GREYSTARK said: as far as we know before Robert B the last king to visit Winterfell was Jaehaerys Aegon V did visit Winterfell, but this was when he was still a squire and rather low on the line of succession, he would not become king until some time later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shi Qiang Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 11/13/2017 at 7:14 AM, Angel Eyes said: What were his plans for Ned outside of fostering him in the Vale? Ned was a second son and had many options to him. Ashara Dayne is a reasonable match for him but because the Daynes were loyal to the Targaryens, Rickard would likely want a different match. Remember, the goal of Rickard Stark's conspiracy was to undermine the authority of House Targaryen. He would find a house more open to challenging the Targaryens in place of the Daynes. A House who won't have too much scruples with treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 2:23 PM, Livesundersink said: Aegon V did visit Winterfell, but this was when he was still a squire and rather low on the line of succession, he would not become king until some time later. Wasn't he just Egg then? But did he ever return . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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