US politics: Alabama Jones and the Temple of Moore

[Ormond]

1 hour ago, lokisnow said:

They need to be specific, target only Moore. and they need to repeatedly hammer that it is immoral to vote for a pedophile (I know ormand doesn't like that word but it is the best heuristic to use). so long as they are simple and specific they will discourage sanctity and purity voters. Any other approach will only help to elect him.

Yeah, well, I was hoping to get the small generally highly-educated group who read this thread to understand the real definitions of the terms here. I know this is not the moment to try to explain that to the average voter in Alabama,

[Rippounet]

16 hours ago, Altherion said:

And yes, invaders and refugees are seen in different light -- but when there are enough refugees, the distinction begins to blur. There's certainly no shortage of Europeans who see the current wave as an invasion rather than a humanitarian crisis.

Which is the crux of the problem, frankly speaking. Seeing immigrants and refugees as "invaders" means badly misunderstanding the world we live in, and therefore, the world of tomorrow.

16 hours ago, Altherion said:

.Half a century is the longest timescale at which I believe one can plausibly claim that one effect is important (and even that's a stretch).

You're off by several orders of magnitude.

16 hours ago, Altherion said:

If you go back further (e.g. one or two centuries), almost every society on the planet will be practically unrecognizable.

"Unrecognizable" might be exaggerating a wee bit. Technological changes aside, most developed societies have been rather stable on the contrary in the past century or two.

16 hours ago, Altherion said:

 It's also roughly the timescale on which other groups became accepted in American society. Remember, discriminatory sentiment was once directed at the Irish, at Germans, at Eastern Europeans and many others...

Yes, and as you pointed out yourself, their cultures and looks were rather similar. Not to mention religion.
You can basically multiply that half-century for every significant deviation between an immigrant group and the majority. And that's assuming they are no serious economic factors undermining integration in some way. Or political.

16 hours ago, Altherion said:

For example, Humanism in its original form is at best studied as a historical movement (and even then not by too many people) and the most popular of its descendants serve the same exact masters.

A twisted version of it that doesn't really deserve the name. But I don't disagree with you on this one.

 

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

Apparently Alabaman men have trouble remembering hanging out with Russians or 14 year old girls.

[Sivin]

1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

If you stop and think about it, Donald Trump and LaVar Ball are essentially the same person, just one was born on third base.

I don't know who Ball is, but the only base Donnie's ever made it to was the Republican party. 

8 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Apparently Alabaman men have trouble remembering hanging out with Russians or 14 year old girls.

I've seen wet paint show more integrity than Mr. Attorney General Jeff Sessions did today. 

The AG of the United States just broke down like an old Chrystler 300 on public record during a congressional hearing. 

[Morpheus]

The Senate is tossing a repeal of the individual mandate into their version of the tax reform bill. 

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

25 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

The Senate is tossing a repeal of the individual mandate into their version of the tax reform bill. 

http://www.clickhole.com/article/beautiful-when-7-year-old-boy-could-no-longer-affo-6296?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

[denstorebog]

25 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

The Senate is tossing a repeal of the individual mandate into their version of the tax reform bill. 

Well, that should make it a breeze to pass. Either they have made some really brilliant backroom deals with the moderates in advance, or they're truly out of touch with reality. Now there are like five different issues to disagree on in one package.

[Maithanet]

3 minutes ago, denstorebog said:

Well, that should make it a breeze to pass. Either they have made some really brilliant backroom deals with the moderates in advance, or they're truly out of touch with reality. Now there are like five different issues to disagree on in one package.

Why not add infrastructure spending and a constitutional amendment to ban abortion while they're at it?

[Week]

Blech.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/trump-tweets-awesome-video-of-him-being-totally-awesome.html

....

Need a smile after that last one:

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Beautiful! When This 7-Year-Old Boy Could No Longer Afford Treatment For His Brain Tumor, Mitch McConnell Dressed Up As Batman And Wheeled Him Out Of The Hospital

http://www.clickhole.com/article/beautiful-when-7-year-old-boy-could-no-longer-affo-6296?

 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Just now, Maithanet said:

Why not add infrastructure spending and a constitutional amendment to ban abortion while they're at it?

Nah, I think they would rather go for something less controversial, likesay... appointing a special prosecutor for every member of the Clinton family (living or dead going back for 3 generations).

[Morpheus]

3 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

Why not add infrastructure spending and a constitutional amendment to ban abortion while they're at it?

Don't forget the wall. MAGA with one bill to rule them all.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, denstorebog said:

Well, that should make it a breeze to pass. Either they have made some really brilliant backroom deals with the moderates in advance, or they're truly out of touch with reality. Now there are like five different issues to disagree on in one package.

I just don't get this move. And it appears that this is Senate leadership pushing this move, because Hatch apparently isn't on board.

I don't see any way that this passes with the mandate repeal included.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

At this point I think you have to seriously consider that the GOP is purposefully sabotaging themselves. It's not just that they don't know how to rule, they don't want to rule. It's like these guys need Obama to be in office. They know nothing else.

[Maithanet]

No one seems to really know what including a mandate repeal even means at this point.  Are they seriously trying to just repeal the mandate and leave the rest of Obamacare in place?  Because everyone knows that is a nonsense plan, and as recently as 4 months ago, Republicans in Congress knew that too.  

Or are we looking at an actual tax cut-Trumpcare monstrosity that they're going to try and pass in the next three weeks? 

[Mlle. Zabzie]

Guys - they need the scoring room.  It had to come from somewhere and it wasn't coming from increasing the corporate rate to 25%.

[Morpheus]

The Bill Which Erases Everything That Happened From 2009-2017 (Except The 2016 Election) and Retroactively Revokes Obama's Citizenship And Strikes His Presidency From Public Record, And Abortion is Illegal, There Will Be A Wall Too, Plus a Net To Catch Muslims. Also No Gay Stuff.

[Week]

2 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

The Bill Which Erases Everything That Happened From 2009-2017 (Except The 2016 Election) and Retroactively Revokes Obama's Citizenship And Strikes His Presidency From Public Record, And Abortion is Illegal, There Will Be A Wall Too, Plus a Net To Catch Muslims. Also No Gay Stuff.

That reads like a ransom note: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/07/03/arts/RANSOM-3/RANSOM-3-jumbo.jpg

NO FUNNY STUFF.

[Morpheus]

10 minutes ago, Week said:

That reads like a ransom note: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/07/03/arts/RANSOM-3/RANSOM-3-jumbo.jpg

NO FUNNY STUFF.

I imagine everything from Trumps's desk reads like a ransom note

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Mlle. Zabzie said:

Guys - they need the scoring room.  It had to come from somewhere and it wasn't coming from increasing the corporate rate to 25%.

They couldn't get there with pushing back the corporate rate reduction to 2019?

[Fez]

17 minutes ago, Mlle. Zabzie said:

Guys - they need the scoring room.  It had to come from somewhere and it wasn't coming from increasing the corporate rate to 25%.

Yeah. But on the flip side, Republicans know (or knew early this year at least), that needed to keep most of the savings from the mandate repeal in reserve for whatever weak subsidy system they would use to eventually replace Obamacare with. If they use those savings just to finance tax cuts, they're admitting that they will never "repeal&replace" Obamacare.