Sexual Assault Scandals 3- the Fempire Strikes Back

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

6 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

@polishgenius He's just going to avoid the question and make snide comments until he find an excuse to put you on ignore because you "can't handle him". Dude has an MO. Check out the gun control thread if you are not familiar with him already.

In other words, all chodes lead to Rome.

[maarsen]

3 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

In other words, all chodes lead to Rome.

As Willie Nelson sings "On The Chode Again"

[polishgenius]

9 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

@polishgenius He's just going to avoid the question and make snide comments until he find an excuse to put you on ignore because you "can't handle him". Dude has an MO. Check out the gun control thread if you are not familiar with him already.

I haven't seen that particular thread yet (maybe I'll look in when I'm not going to bed), but I've seen his performances in other threads, including the previous locked version of this one.

It's just that sometimes I can't pass up the opportunity to fulfill my inclination to argue ridiculously on the internet with someone who is genuine 100% dickhead.

[Dr. Pepper]

5 hours ago, Eggegg said:

The idea that you can control men’s sexuality or make them not sexualise women is one of the most barmy and silly ideas going. Most major religions seem to have been attempting it for millennia! And they all failed. Because it’s inherent to being a male. It’s difficult for women to understand because you aren’t men. 

 

Oh for fuck's sake.  Are you unable to control yourself when you see someone you are sexually attracted to?  Do you just get to raping?  Do you grope every woman you come across if you like her tits?  

It's like you think that teaching boys to be hypersexual isn't a form of control as well.  In any case, it's not about control.  It's about teaching respect.  

5 hours ago, Mother Cocanuts said:

Taught by whom? At least you're honest. But if you think of sex in terms of Economics then many of these behaviors would demonstrate a consistent logic. Men have billions of sperms cells. Women have, give or take, 400 eggs; consequently, females are more selective as far as it concerns whom they choose to sexualize--not that they don't sexualize. And though I don't know this for sure, I assume there has been someone who caught your eye at least once and inspired sexual feelings, right?

What do you mean taught by whom?  I mean, everyone.  You get what society consists of, right?  

And to that final question, nope.  Not even a little.  But I'm about 99% asexual.  But even for those who do experience sexual attraction, I imagine many find it quote easy to understand how to respect another person.

2 hours ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

They don't appear to be, no. And I'm not even saying she isn't to be believed if she is Republican/Conservative/Whatever. I'm just saying if she cast a vote for Trump, she's likely Righty at the very least.

Oh come the fuck on Manhole.  You always go down this road, so of course this isn't surprising now.  Who cares if she's a righty?  Seriously, why is that an issue for you?  We have one case where there was photographic evidence and another where there was written evidence that she discussed this soon after the event.  But you have to be the worst and go the victim shaming route and also imply that being she's a Trump voter that all the evidence from YEARS ago do not matter.

And you wonder why people don't come out with this stuff.  It's because of people like you.

[maarsen]

11 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I haven't seen that particular thread yet (maybe I'll look in when I'm not going to bed), but I've seen his performances in other threads, including the previous locked version of this one.

It's just that sometimes I can't pass up the opportunity to fulfill my inclination to argue ridiculously on the internet with someone who is genuine 100% dickhead.

Chodehead. The word of the day is chodehead.

[Mother Cocanuts]

2 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Thesaurus.com

You have a problem with thesaurus.com? Okay, here's Oxford. Go to #2, it's the fourth synonym.

6 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

It also lists, among other things, promise, intention, forecast, and intention as synonyms of expectation, and none of those are true either.

Okay, demonstrate or prove it.

8 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

No but if they had had expectations of me than our relationships would eventually have gone differently than they have.

So you're assuming? You're not really certain? I assume this assumption is based on the falling out between you and the aforementioned female friend?

11 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Nope, it's still about everyone.

Nope. As far as this conversation is concerned, it's about you. I'm not debating everyone. I'm debating you and your counterexample.

 

12 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I do notice reading back in the topic that you're not very fond of the conversation being steered towards yourself...

You have no idea what I am or am not fond of. And it's completely irrelevant. If you have a question of me, then ask away.

15 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

(presumably because, deep down, you know you're a chode and don't like people pointing it out)

Well as an authority on myself and carrier of my thoughts, let me inform you that your presumption is incorrect. But either way, you're not helping your counterpoint.

18 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

but I haven't got much to hide here, so you're gonna have to try harder than that.

I'm not forcing you to "hide" anything. I want you to go deeper. And since you submitted yourself as an example in your counterpoint, getting personal is fair-game.

22 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Well, yeah. Unless it's some previously agreed signal, ritual, greeting, or game, it's not likely to be considered normal or welcome behaviour, is it?

Depends on the person. I have and have seen others tap others they don't know in order to get their attention. I've been tapped by a person who didn't know me trying to get my attention. I didn't find the tapping which wasn't previously agreed to, or wasn't a ritual, greeting or game, as inappropriate.

22 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

But no seriously if you can't understand why that makes you a dick then there is something fundamentally fucked up about your understanding of interpersonal relationships and how much the world doesn't revolve around you.

Once again, this statement is entirely meaningless if you don't know what my sexuality is. All you're really doing s just asserting that I'm a dick.

27 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

Expecting sex with no reason to expect sex

What are the reasons to expect sex?

32 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

makes you far more likely to do something, through misinterpretation of a situation or deliberate malice, that the other person doesn't want you to.

Or deliberate malice? Malice is not synonymous with expectation. And the crimes you listed are not subject to the initiator's "misinterpretation."

[Darth Richard II]

13 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I haven't seen that particular thread yet (maybe I'll look in when I'm not going to bed), but I've seen his performances in other threads, including the previous locked version of this one.

It's just that sometimes I can't pass up the opportunity to fulfill my inclination to argue ridiculously on the internet with someone who is genuine 100% dickhead.

Haha, I too have that urge, I can relate.

[Dr. Pepper]

I'm surprised it took so long for the Charlie Rose allegations to be reported because when started, he was one of the first I thought about.  He's so slimy right there on air.  

[Darth Richard II]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Oh for fuck's sake.  Are you unable to control yourself when you see someone you are sexually attracted to?  Do you just get to raping?  Do you grope every woman you come across if you like her tits?  

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Seriously, the amount of people who actually thin kthis baffles me. Maybe I was raised in a a strange cult or something but when I see someone attractive my first thought isn't "DONT RAPE DONT RAPE DONT RAPE".

[Mother Cocanuts]

15 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

It's just that sometimes I can't pass up the opportunity to fulfill my inclination to argue ridiculously on the internet with someone who is genuine 100% dickhead.

Then it's clear that there's nothing more to say. Have a nice evening.

[Kalbear]

Just now, Darth Richard II said:

Seriously, the amount of people who actually thin kthis baffles me. Maybe I was raised in a a strange cult or something but when I see someone attractive my first thought isn't "DONT RAPE DONT RAPE DONT RAPE".

I'm coming to the conclusion that much like the Kinsey scale, there's some scale of how asexual/sexual a person is, and while everyone tends to experience the same urges they don't all experience them at the same levels. There are certain things that seem incredibly weird to me - like looking at every single woman like a fuckslave - that I don't get. But I can't help but think there are some people out there who are like that.

I suspect that men probably vary on that some more than women, but I suspect that the same urges exist for both sexes - and the real big difference is that women have been told that those urges aren't to be tolerated, and men have been told that it's acceptable to give in, or it's the woman's fault, or whatever. 

[Mother Cocanuts]

21 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

 What do you mean taught by whom?  I mean, everyone.  You get what society consists of, right? 

So you're saying that everyone teaches everyone?

23 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

And to that final question, nope.  Not even a little.  But I'm about 99% asexual.

Then you're clearly apart of the exception.

24 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

But even for those who do experience sexual attraction, I imagine many find it quote easy to understand how to respect another person.

Why do you find it disrespectful? Or lacking respect?

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

10 minutes ago, Mother Cocanuts said:

Then it's clear that there's nothing more to say. Have a nice evening.

Hit the chode, Mac.

[Darth Richard II]

12 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I'm coming to the conclusion that much like the Kinsey scale, there's some scale of how asexual/sexual a person is, and while everyone tends to experience the same urges they don't all experience them at the same levels. There are certain things that seem incredibly weird to me - like looking at every single woman like a fuckslave - that I don't get. But I can't help but think there are some people out there who are like that.

I suspect that men probably vary on that some more than women, but I suspect that the same urges exist for both sexes - and the real big difference is that women have been told that those urges aren't to be tolerated, and men have been told that it's acceptable to give in, or it's the woman's fault, or whatever. 

Maybe. It just ... I have no words right now.

[Stubby]

[MOD]

Please stop with the descent into personal stuff, folks.

Let's not go any further down that chode.

[/MOD]

 

[kairparavel]

RE: brazen men groping a woman while the husband is taking a photo

Women are taught from oot the womb not to make a scene about things lest they come across as irrational/hysterical. So yeah, that could totally happen. Think about the Taylor Swift lawsuit with the DJ. It's not like she called him out right there en flagrante with the media all around.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/taylor-swift-accuses-dj-of-grabbing-my-ass-in-court-testimony-1202522506/
 

Being touched inappropriately is shocking and paralyzing for the most part and shoulda/why didn't you has no fucking part at the time. You're too busy feeling humiliated and confused about why someone thought it was ok to do that to you. And the don't make a scene reflex kicks in pretty quick too.

[mankytoes]

1 hour ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Oh for fuck's sake.  Are you unable to control yourself when you see someone you are sexually attracted to?  Do you just get to raping?  Do you grope every woman you come across if you like her tits? 

Everyone who is sane has control over their actions, absolutely. I think this might be a bit of confusion over the term "sexualise", I've heard it used in a way that implies men have been socialised to be sexually attracted to breasts, that they aren't inherently sexual to us. If that was actually proved, it would blow my mind. You probably didn't want to know this, but I like breasts a lot. They're so awesome.

It's sad that sexual attraction is talked about so negatively (not by you, generally). I'm going through some shit at the moment, but I saw a really hot girl, and it just brightened my day up a little. Thanks to all those beautiful people out there making the world a better place.

I haven't heard the word chode in years. A kid at school got called "the chode" and it stuck. Someone did giant graffiti saying he had one under the railway bridge. Pretty harsh bullying, but he was a bit of a twat himself.

[Manhole Eunuchsbane]

5 minutes ago, kairparavel said:

RE: brazen men groping a woman while the husband is taking a photo

Women are taught from oot the womb not to make a scene about things lest they come across as irrational/hysterical. So yeah, that could totally happen. Think about the Taylor Swift lawsuit with the DJ. It's not like she called him out right there en flagrante with the media all around.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/taylor-swift-accuses-dj-of-grabbing-my-ass-in-court-testimony-1202522506/
 

Being touched inappropriately is shocking and paralyzing for the most part and shoulda/why didn't you has no fucking part at the time. You're too busy feeling humiliated and confused about why someone thought it was ok to do that to you. And the don't make a scene reflex kicks in pretty quick too.

Yeah, I saw that pic posted up earlier in another thread. It just boggles my mind in both circumstances. I can't understand why someone like Swift would put up with that sort of shit, or why the Franken accuser would either, but I have to admit that this seems to be a fairly common reaction, at least initially.

[kairparavel]

12 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said:

Yeah, I saw that pic posted up earlier in another thread. It just boggles my mind in both circumstances. I can't understand why someone like Swift would put up with that sort of shit, or why the Franken accuser would either, but I have to admit that this seems to be a fairly common reaction, at least initially.

But it makes sense that someone like me would? It's not about how famous, powerful, or hot someone is in their day job but instead it's the predator reading a moment and taking advantage in a moment of vulnerability in their victim. And women are often as vulnerable in a magnified spotlight as they are when out of sight.

[kairparavel]

27 minutes ago, mankytoes said:

Everyone who is sane has control over their actions, absolutely. I think this might be a bit of confusion over the term "sexualise", I've heard it used in a way that implies men have been socialised to be sexually attracted to breasts, that they aren't inherently sexual to us. If that was actually proved, it would blow my mind. You probably didn't want to know this, but I like breasts a lot. They're so awesome.

It's sad that sexual attraction is talked about so negatively (not by you, generally). I'm going through some shit at the moment, but I saw a really hot girl, and it just brightened my day up a little. Thanks to all those beautiful people out there making the world a better place.

So you admired her like a piece of art, or like a piece of meat? No matter what you did it's clear you didn't consider her as a person.