Men. Men. Men.

[mankytoes]

1 hour ago, Eggegg said:

No I think its just that these things are now so mainstream that its far more acceptable to like them, and are not obvious indicators of being socially awkward or lacking social value. Really the masculine ideas are still there, men are prized for being  successful financially and career wise, for being tall and strong and dominating, its just that you can be all of those things and still like to read comics and play computer games. I think it says more about the infantilisation of society, especially around men than anything else. 

I mean that is another issue, in that you often hear of men who are simply checking out of society altogether as they don't see a role for themselves any more. Where 50 years ago men were expected to be breadwinners, providers, protectors, now there isn't really any goal for men to live up to. There also seems to be less incentive for men to really go out and work hard and make a success of themselves and I think you are seeing this in school results as men are doing less well academically as a trend. Instead guys can basically stay as man-children for a long time, bum about playing computer games, smoking weed, reading comics, and there is nothing really stopping them or prompting them to go do something more. In fact the only reason I ever bothered to stop doing that was when I realised how girls were viewing me and how I'd have to make a change if I didn't want to be stuck on my own forever.

I'm not seeing that so much with girls, maybe its because there is pressure now on women to 'have it all', that women are now expected to do well in school and take their careers seriously and then have a family. I've certainly seen a big difference in the attitudes towards work between my male and female colleagues over the years, as a general statement. 

This may have more to do with a commercial society based on individual pleasure and happiness as an overall goal, but I do think that men are suffering from a lack of discipline and structure.

But that's the point, there's more diversity of things that are mainstream. Surely that's an improvement on men having to be successful financially, strong and dominating and not being allowed to like comics and play computer games? I don't think there's anything infantile about these hobbies, either, I just think that's what we've been told. Why is reading a book inherently more grown up than playing a computer game (and I say that as someone who reads more than they play games)?

Obviously it's not a good thing if people feel completely aimless, but I don't think there's anything wrong with men not prioritising careers. I haven't done that, and I don't regret it, I've done some amazing traveling that my career focused friends are jealous of. Of course, I'd love to have it all, but in life you have to prioritise. Let's not put the previous generations on a pedestal, there have always been plenty of "losers"- drunks, petty criminals, freeloaders.

I'm probably one of these guys you're talking about... I dunno, I still think there is plenty of career focus, I live near London and any time you go there you see plenty of these young guys, doing well but really giving up almost all their time and energy to work. Focusing on happiness over money seems like a good social development generally to me. Hopefully those of us who aren't career driven can find other, meaningful things in life.

On a different tact- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148

The story is basically "man watches porn". Not child porn, not "extreme" porn, just regular porn, like everyone else. One area I've always agreed with the mainstream feminists on is the slut shaming thing, it's ridiculous and unfair. Is this a kind of male equivalent? We should be sending the message that any coercive sexual behaviour is completely unacceptable- but on the other hand, you should be totally free to enjoy your sexuality privately when you aren't doing anything wrong.

[baxus]

1 hour ago, Eggegg said:

No I think its just that these things are now so mainstream that its far more acceptable to like them, and are not obvious indicators of being socially awkward or lacking social value. Really the masculine ideas are still there, men are prized for being  successful financially and career wise, for being tall and strong and dominating, its just that you can be all of those things and still like to read comics and play computer games. I think it says more about the infantilisation of society, especially around men than anything else. 

I mean that is another issue, in that you often hear of men who are simply checking out of society altogether as they don't see a role for themselves any more. Where 50 years ago men were expected to be breadwinners, providers, protectors, now there isn't really any goal for men to live up to. There also seems to be less incentive for men to really go out and work hard and make a success of themselves and I think you are seeing this in school results as men are doing less well academically as a trend. Instead guys can basically stay as man-children for a long time, bum about playing computer games, smoking weed, reading comics, and there is nothing really stopping them or prompting them to go do something more. In fact the only reason I ever bothered to stop doing that was when I realised how girls were viewing me and how I'd have to make a change if I didn't want to be stuck on my own forever.

I'm not seeing that so much with girls, maybe its because there is pressure now on women to 'have it all', that women are now expected to do well in school and take their careers seriously and then have a family. I've certainly seen a big difference in the attitudes towards work between my male and female colleagues over the years, as a general statement. 

This may have more to do with a commercial society based on individual pleasure and happiness as an overall goal, but I do think that men are suffering from a lack of discipline and structure.

It's not about infantilization of society, it's about infantilization of an individual.

It's not society's fault that lazy people look for any reason and excuse to avoid adult responsibilities. The number of people who accept their adult responsibilities is a definite proof of that.

[Eggegg]

1 hour ago, mankytoes said:

Obviously it's not a good thing if people feel completely aimless, but I don't think there's anything wrong with men not prioritising careers. I haven't done that, and I don't regret it, I've done some amazing traveling that my career focused friends are jealous of. Of course, I'd love to have it all, but in life you have to prioritise. Let's not put the previous generations on a pedestal, there have always been plenty of "losers"- drunks, petty criminals, freeloaders.

 

On an individual level its actually probably fine for everyone to be seeking out happiness and if they don't want to focus on their careers then they shouldn't have to. But if it starts happening on a large scale then there would be a problem for the economy as somebody has to pay for the people who volunteer to stay out of the job market for a long time. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-quiet-catastrophe-millions-of-idle-men/2016/10/05/cd01b750-8a57-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html?utm_term=.765871187176

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” The “economically inactive” have eclipsed the unemployed, as government statistics measure them, as “the main category of men without jobs.”

I don't think this is a healthy state of affairs either. I personally didn't really bother with my career until my late to mid 20s, because I didn't see the point and was more than happy to be economically inactive. Money wasn't that important to me, neither was a career, in fact its not a high priority for me now despite me doing quite well. But it wasn't good for my mental health either, I was angry and frustrated at myself because there was a conflict that I felt I should maybe get a career but also didn't want one. I don't think this is a good thing for lots of men to be doing quite frankly.

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I'm probably one of these guys you're talking about... I dunno, I still think there is plenty of career focus, I live near London and any time you go there you see plenty of these young guys, doing well but really giving up almost all their time and energy to work. Focusing on happiness over money seems like a good social development generally to me. Hopefully those of us who aren't career driven can find other, meaningful things in life.

I also live in London, and I agree there are many guys like that, but I also think London is a bit of a bubble. Its very expensive and you don't get to just sit around collecting minimum wage because you'd be homeless in a day. 

 

[Eggegg]

1 hour ago, mankytoes said:

On a different tact- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148

The story is basically "man watches porn". Not child porn, not "extreme" porn, just regular porn, like everyone else. One area I've always agreed with the mainstream feminists on is the slut shaming thing, it's ridiculous and unfair. Is this a kind of male equivalent? We should be sending the message that any coercive sexual behaviour is completely unacceptable- but on the other hand, you should be totally free to enjoy your sexuality privately when you aren't doing anything wrong.

On this, I think the problem is that he was looking at porn at work, which is kind of insane. I think its a bit of a smear job on him but still, he shouldn't be doing it as its unprofessional. 

But on the issue of porn  I think there needs to be a discussion on the nature of male sexuality, because at the moment it is being discussed and often in quite negative ways

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/opinion/sunday/harassment-men-libido-masculinity.html
 

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 How are we supposed to create an equal world when male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal? We cannot answer these questions unless we face them.

I don't agree that male desire is inherently brutal, but a lot of sexuality is based on passion and rawness , of dominance and submission. The male / female dynamic is part of that. I do think we need to try to understand male sexuality and not just pretend you can make it something it isn't. 

[Centrist Simon Steele]

On 11/30/2017 at 3:22 AM, HelenaExMachina said:

Do you not think the two could be related issues though? If you are paid peanuts and feel under appreciated why should you particularly care to perform your highest standard of work/teaching? Obviously for some (yourself among them, I presume from your post) they still aim for higher standards. But I can easily understand why people wouldn’t because of shitty wages. I work in a minimum wage job for example, and there are times I look at my fortnightly pay and think well that was a fucking chore for nothing. (Though I never allow my personal standards to slip because of my personality, liking things perfect etc).

I mean, if you paid £5 for a phone, would you be expecting something top of the range and high end? I think a similar principle could be at play here

I understand what you mean, and I guess I'm trying to say it's an issue of being licensed. If my license and the guy across the hall's license is accredited in exactly the same fashion by the state (as opposed by something like the strength of our respective programs when we graduate from our undergrad programs), then we start the process off from the point of view that all teachers are equally qualified in the eyes of the state. In days past, I think we had methods to get around these issues such as continuing education as a means of increasing pay. I'm a good teacher, and I can enter into a rigorous master's English MA program that allows me not only a pay raise, but the ability to do more for my students such as hold a qualification to teach AP courses. 

But now we have these online college offering degrees that don't necessarily promote tangible betterment. So while I am going to campus at night, working through a program for two years, getting that MA that allows me to be AP qualified, I come to find out I am one of the only teachers in my district with that qualification--and I am an 8th grade teacher, so I am of no use to the students unless I move schools. Other teachers have pursued MAs in things that are finished in a year's time, give no extra credential to teach higher level coursework--because these teachers are not qualified, but they still get the same money as I do.

This seems problematic. How is this tied to gender? I think the first way we try to fix the pay issue in teaching is through performance. If my students perform well, then I should make more money. Or if I teach science, I should make more money. These solutions seem grounded in gender bias to me. Performance, competition, making sure your product (students) are doing better than the others? That's the hallmark of the patriarchy--the backbone of it. To value some subjects over others, like science, seems inherently gendered, as those subjects that are valued are almost always more populated by male teachers.

I brought up all the issues of licenses and degrees because that's where I think room exists. My students always performed well, but it's because of the program I came from as an undergrad, and the MA program I carefully chose to support my classroom practice. Performance is a by-product of this. I suppose you cannot escape that, but perhaps we're looking at the wrong side of performance.

How many English teachers have you had who couldn't teach you how to write because they didn't know how to teach that? How many English teachers have you had who taught you commas go in the places you take a breath? Teachers, in every discipline, should be tested in their craft, in their knowledge, and in their ability to communicate it. But if we did this, I believe teacher turnover would become far greater, and what do we do in the mean time? While all these better, smarter people who are coming for the higher pay (now that higher standards have been set), are going through programs, the infrastructure goes through disarray. It's really complicated.

[mankytoes]

8 hours ago, Eggegg said:

On an individual level its actually probably fine for everyone to be seeking out happiness and if they don't want to focus on their careers then they shouldn't have to. But if it starts happening on a large scale then there would be a problem for the economy as somebody has to pay for the people who volunteer to stay out of the job market for a long time. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-quiet-catastrophe-millions-of-idle-men/2016/10/05/cd01b750-8a57-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html?utm_term=.765871187176

I don't think this is a healthy state of affairs either. I personally didn't really bother with my career until my late to mid 20s, because I didn't see the point and was more than happy to be economically inactive. Money wasn't that important to me, neither was a career, in fact its not a high priority for me now despite me doing quite well. But it wasn't good for my mental health either, I was angry and frustrated at myself because there was a conflict that I felt I should maybe get a career but also didn't want one. I don't think this is a good thing for lots of men to be doing quite frankly.

I also live in London, and I agree there are many guys like that, but I also think London is a bit of a bubble. Its very expensive and you don't get to just sit around collecting minimum wage because you'd be homeless in a day. 

 

On this, I think the problem is that he was looking at porn at work, which is kind of insane. I think its a bit of a smear job on him but still, he shouldn't be doing it as its unprofessional. 

But on the issue of porn  I think there needs to be a discussion on the nature of male sexuality, because at the moment it is being discussed and often in quite negative ways

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/opinion/sunday/harassment-men-libido-masculinity.html

I don't agree that male desire is inherently brutal, but a lot of sexuality is based on passion and rawness , of dominance and submission. The male / female dynamic is part of that. I do think we need to try to understand male sexuality and not just pretend you can make it something it isn't. 

There's two ideas here that seem a bit conflated, I'm talking about not having a career, not avoiding having a job. I agree that not working at all is bad for your mental health. I've always worked- I don't have a choice, I don't have any outside support, I'm not from that kind of background. But I'm just doing various things, nothing long term, looking to build and make more money.

I don't really care if he's watching porn at work, I know it's not generally allowed, but these guys work very long days. If knocking one out helps him do his job better, crack on. If he got caught actually wanking, he should get punished, because he shouldn't be doing it when other people might see him. But going through his computer for it seems ridiculous.

Interesting article, I'm not really sure what the actual point was though. I've never felt there was any conflict between kink and consent. If anything, more hardcore people seem to talk more about consent. I think we can engage our "bestial" side without any major conflict with our liberal ideals on how to treat women. While human sexuality is endlessly fascinating and complex, I don't think this issue is- it all comes down to consent.

[Eggegg]

45 minutes ago, mankytoes said:

There's two ideas here that seem a bit conflated, I'm talking about not having a career, not avoiding having a job. I agree that not working at all is bad for your mental health. I've always worked- I don't have a choice, I don't have any outside support, I'm not from that kind of background. But I'm just doing various things, nothing long term, looking to build and make more money.

Yeah that is something entirely different to what I'm talking about. You are doing what a lot of people are doing these days, which is not locking themselves into one company or career, but trying to get more freedom. I've done that myself. Nobody wants to be stuck doing the same thing for 50 years, and job security is so low these days it doesn't make sense to bank on those sort of things. 

I'm talking about guys who don't bother with the adult parts of life, they just stretch out teenagehood for as long as possible, either bumming around, or staying in education. I mean that is partly due to other factors as well, like we are all living longer and nobody wants to have kids early now. 

[Ice Queen]

On 12/1/2017 at 4:58 PM, Eggegg said:

Yeah that is something entirely different to what I'm talking about. You are doing what a lot of people are doing these days, which is not locking themselves into one company or career, but trying to get more freedom. I've done that myself. Nobody wants to be stuck doing the same thing for 50 years, and job security is so low these days it doesn't make sense to bank on those sort of things. 

I'm talking about guys who don't bother with the adult parts of life, they just stretch out teenagehood for as long as possible, either bumming around, or staying in education. I mean that is partly due to other factors as well, like we are all living longer and nobody wants to have kids early now. 

Hi,

I'm not sure how old you are, but I have two kids in their early 20s. Work/life balance is more important to them than the "greed is good" Gordon Gekko/Reagan philosophy we had drilled into us. Of course they want to make money, but they don't want to spend the next 50 years as indentured servants, giving  120% to an employer who couldn't care less about them. I don't blame them. 

They grew up during the recession and IMO it had a profound impact on them and the way they view work. They saw their parents lose their jobs, their homes and their life savings at the same time the safety net was being cut from under them. What's the point in loyalty to a job or a career when you could lose everything no matter how hard you've worked or how much of your life you've dedicated? 

As Rodney Dangerfield said in Back to School, it's a jungle out there. "Move back home with your parents. Let them worry about it!" 

[Isis]

On 12/1/2017 at 10:30 AM, mankytoes said:

On a different tact- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148

The story is basically "man watches porn". Not child porn, not "extreme" porn, just regular porn, like everyone else. One area I've always agreed with the mainstream feminists on is the slut shaming thing, it's ridiculous and unfair. Is this a kind of male equivalent? We should be sending the message that any coercive sexual behaviour is completely unacceptable- but on the other hand, you should be totally free to enjoy your sexuality privately when you aren't doing anything wrong.

Well, that's an interesting news story to choose to initiate a discussion on the normalisation of pornography. An elected MP was found to have a large collection of pornography on his work computer. He was using it at work while he was being paid as a public servant. This was discovered by the Met while he was being investigated for illegally leaking files.

This story is not 'man watches porn'. 

[mankytoes]

2 hours ago, Isis said:

Well, that's an interesting news story to choose to initiate a discussion on the normalisation of pornography. An elected MP was found to have a large collection of pornography on his work computer. He was using it at work while he was being paid as a public servant. This was discovered by the Met while he was being investigated for illegally leaking files.

This story is not 'man watches porn'. 

I think it's terrible that these retired police officers have revealed this information. Their job is to look for illegal activity, anything else should be strictly confidential. They have these powers to search our private property- that should be a power used with great responsibility.

If he had been caught at work, that would be a totally different issue. Should he be looking at porn at work? No, but 11th commandment- don't get caught. Ok, he did get caught, but only because of unethical police practises.

The thing is, this is being linked to the general sexual harrassment issues. He wasn't wanking in front of anybody, he wasn't showing people this porn, as far as I'm aware the only people who ever knew about this were the police.

Do many of our top official masturbate in the middle of the day? I don't know, and I don't want to know. If they're keeping it strictly private, that's good enough for me. Masturbation is good for you, it reduces stress.

[MercenaryChef]

3 hours ago, mankytoes said:

I think it's terrible that these retired police officers have revealed this information. Their job is to look for illegal activity, anything else should be strictly confidential. They have these powers to search our private property- that should be a power used with great responsibility.

If he had been caught at work, that would be a totally different issue. Should he be looking at porn at work? No, but 11th commandment- don't get caught. Ok, he did get caught, but only because of unethical police practises.

The thing is, this is being linked to the general sexual harrassment issues. He wasn't wanking in front of anybody, he wasn't showing people this porn, as far as I'm aware the only people who ever knew about this were the police.

Do many of our top official masturbate in the middle of the day? I don't know, and I don't want to know. If they're keeping it strictly private, that's good enough for me. Masturbation is good for you, it reduces stress.

are you fucking kidding?

[Eggegg]

4 hours ago, mankytoes said:

I think it's terrible that these retired police officers have revealed this information. Their job is to look for illegal activity, anything else should be strictly confidential. They have these powers to search our private property- that should be a power used with great responsibility.

If he had been caught at work, that would be a totally different issue. Should he be looking at porn at work? No, but 11th commandment- don't get caught. Ok, he did get caught, but only because of unethical police practises.

The thing is, this is being linked to the general sexual harrassment issues. He wasn't wanking in front of anybody, he wasn't showing people this porn, as far as I'm aware the only people who ever knew about this were the police.

Do many of our top official masturbate in the middle of the day? I don't know, and I don't want to know. If they're keeping it strictly private, that's good enough for me. Masturbation is good for you, it reduces stress.

Would probably help to keep some guys sex drives in check too. I think it should be made compulsory 

[mankytoes]

26 minutes ago, MercurialCannibal said:

are you fucking kidding?

No. I know, no one is going to care because it's a politician, but this is the thin end of the wedge for me.

Lets be clear- the police officer was asked to check Green's computer for anything related to leaking documents. He found porn on there. He decided to make copies of this, keep it until he retired, then reveal it publically. Is there no part of that you think is wrong?

The job of the police is to protect us from crime. Green looking at porn, at work or anywhere else, is not a crime.

I know my views on sex and sexuality are a bit more libertarian than most, but there's a simple rule- do no harm. And he has followed that.

3 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

Would probably help to keep some guys sex drives in check too. I think it should be made compulsory 

I don't like the idea that anyone has to masturbate to be safe around women, but it might be a sad truth in some cases.

[Dr. Pepper]

12 minutes ago, Eggegg said:

Would probably help to keep some guys sex drives in check too. I think it should be made compulsory 

Wooooow.  I mean, really, wow.  "Hey men, you're too primitive and dumb to figure out how to stop your urges for 8 hours, so now you're all forced to perform sexual acts and be paid for it!"

And we wonder why men can't stop harassing and raping and assaulting.  

 

Anyway, I actually came into this dreadful thread to post about a skit on SNL last night.  I can't find a link to the specific skit, but it was about a doll store and the joke was that a single man without children was in there and so he must have been a predator.  It was all "hahah, weirdo predator man" non stop.  Very cringe worthy.  Very illustrative of how we work to keep men inside these tiny little toxic boxes where to do anything that has been deemed womanly is to be a creep, a perv, a predator, a weirdo.  How very sad.

 

[mankytoes]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Wooooow.  I mean, really, wow.  "Hey men, you're too primitive and dumb to figure out how to stop your urges for 8 hours, so now you're all forced to perform sexual acts and be paid for it!"

And we wonder why men can't stop harassing and raping and assaulting. 

Anyway, I actually came into this dreadful thread to post about a skit on SNL last night.  I can't find a link to the specific skit, but it was about a doll store and the joke was that a single man without children was in there and so he must have been a predator.  It was all "hahah, weirdo predator man" non stop.  Very cringe worthy.  Very illustrative of how we work to keep men inside these tiny little toxic boxes where to do anything that has been deemed womanly is to be a creep, a perv, a predator, a weirdo.  How very sad.

I think you're missing a little tongue in cheek there...

It's interesting how people continue to link masturbating to harrassing, raping and assualting. In my world view, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Masturbation (obviously assuming you're not displaying it, CK style) is the ultimate in consensual activity, there's no question of any lack of consent being possible.

I think all men feel this. For example, my old work was opposite a park, I used to sit on the benches outside the park and eat lunch. One time the benches outside the park were full, but I saw some girls from work sat on the benches inside the park. I realised that there was no way I could join them, any man sat there would immediately be seen a potential peadophile. That's fucked up, right?

I don't think it's universal, either. I taught young children English in Vietnam, and I felt nervous around them at first, I'm not used to children, but I didn't feel there was any suspicion of me there, there are as many young guys as women teaching out there, and you just get judged on who you are. I still wouldn't call myself someone who is great around kids, but they can be a lot of fun, so it was really nice to have that opportunity.

[Dr. Pepper]

10 minutes ago, mankytoes said:

I think you're missing a little tongue in cheek there...

It's interesting how people continue to link masturbating to harrassing, raping and assualting. In my world view, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Masturbation (obviously assuming you're not displaying it, CK style) is the ultimate in consensual activity, there's no question of any lack of consent being possible.

The poster I quoted linked it to harassing, raping and assaulting by claiming it was necessary to control sexual urges.  No, it's not.  It's amazing how so many men are able to make it through their work day without doing any of that, and even without having to stop to have sex with themselves.  Despite what you've been told, you can control your penis.

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I think all men feel this. For example, my old work was opposite a park, I used to sit on the benches outside the park and eat lunch. One time the benches outside the park were full, but I saw some girls from work sat on the benches inside the park. I realised that there was no way I could join them, any man sat there would immediately be seen a potential peadophile. That's fucked up, right?

I don't think it's universal, either. I taught young children English in Vietnam, and I felt nervous around them at first, I'm not used to children, but I didn't feel there was any suspicion of me there, there are as many young guys as women teaching out there, and you just get judged on who you are. I still wouldn't call myself someone who is great around kids, but they can be a lot of fun, so it was really nice to have that opportunity.

Yeah, it is fucked up.  I also have to admit that I do it too.  I'll be at the park, maybe with my kids or maybe alone, and I see a solo dude and I'm on high alert.  Intellectually I know it's wrong and problematic for me to react that way, but my lived experience and everything we teach in society tells me that solo men at parks where children might be nearby must be predators.  

I taught English abroad in several different countries including Vietnam and I have to say that my experience was a bit different, which is mostly because as a woman I had access to women only spaces and conversations where we freely discussed all of the harassment we faced and how perverted and gross so many of the men were with their students with a special focus on immigrant white men.  I think what was being in spaces you weren't invited or language you didn't understand might surprise you. Definitely not trying to say that your experience was wrong, just that there was a different view that you might not have been privy to.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

On 11/30/2017 at 7:23 PM, Darth Richard II said:

I dunno about video games. Growing up if you even admitted to owning a game system you got the crap beaten out of you on the playground, now all the dudebros play COD and Halo.

I’m 46, I’ll be 47 in April.  That was not my experience.  Kids with cool game systems were, if anything, more popular than those without.

[Derfel Cadarn]

1 hour ago, mankytoes said:

No. I know, no one is going to care because it's a politician, but this is the thin end of the wedge for me.

Lets be clear- the police officer was asked to check Green's computer for anything related to leaking documents. He found porn on there. He decided to make copies of this, keep it until he retired, then reveal it publically. Is there no part of that you think is wrong?

The job of the police is to protect us from crime. Green looking at porn, at work or anywhere else, is not a crime.

I know my views on sex and sexuality are a bit more libertarian than most, but there's a simple rule- do no harm. And he has followed that.

I don't like the idea that anyone has to masturbate to be safe around women, but it might be a sad truth in some cases.

The police copied the drives as per prpcedure so they dont have to take the physical hard drive away. Those copies are long gone i believe.  The only proof is thst the cops noted the details of what they foubd in their police issue notebooks as theyre meant to.

What is a grey area is that at least one of the cops kept that notebook after retiring and is disclosing the details.  But it is in the public interest that while some public servants are underpaid and overworked, others have time to view thousands of porn files on public computers.

[Isis]

2 hours ago, mankytoes said:

No. I know, no one is going to care because it's a politician, but this is the thin end of the wedge for me.

Lets be clear- the police officer was asked to check Green's computer for anything related to leaking documents. He found porn on there. He decided to make copies of this, keep it until he retired, then reveal it publically. Is there no part of that you think is wrong?

The officer made the information known at a time when there was an ongoing investigation into a claim against Green - of inappropriate behaviour toward a female journalist. 

[Jace, Extat]

I don't give a shit what's happening in this thread, but every time I see it I immediately associate it with a 'Two and a Half Men' thread, or a spoof of Motley Crue's 'Girls! Girls! Girls!' song.

 

I just needed someone to know.