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Will Sansa be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms at the end of the story?

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I read a theory that Sansa Stark will be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms at the end of ASOIAF.

The theory goes that GRRM is writing it with similarities to the Tudor line of monarchs in England. Some of Henry VII's life has similarities with Daenerys'. That aside, the theory says that Robert Baratheon has similarities with Henry VIII, and he was followed by Joffrey and Tommen (both boy kings like Edward VI) and then Cersei at least in the show (similar in some ways to Mary I). Next in the Tudor line was Elizabeth I, a red-haired queen.

Do people think Sansa will be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms?

My chief concern with this theory is that she has no real claim to the Iron Throne according to the laws of the Seven Kingdoms, and I can't see her wanting to take the rest of the Seven Kingdoms by conquest.

Thoughts?

 

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I wouldn't actually compare Sansa to Elizabeth I, rather, I'd compare her to Elizabeth of York, if you consider thew original York=Stark, Lancester=Lannister idea.
Married to the enemy (to a guy who's exiled across the sea even), two younger brothers that are believed to have been killed in an act of treason and might or might not be alive still (as far as Westeros knows at least)... 

That being said i don't think we can glean clues for the eventual fates of the ASoIaF characters from real world history or from GRRM's other works. I can understand the desire to attempt to do so, after all WoW still doesn't seem to be on the horizon, but I don't think it will just be an exact retelling of the Tudors with dragons.

I can see her in a position of power at the end. Lady of something or the other, but not Queen of the Seven Kingdoms.

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Absolute zero chance for that to happen, in my opinion. All the background story that GRRM has introduced about lineage would be irrelevant if Sansa Stark ends up as the Queen of Westeros. It has to die the whole Baratheon family, the whole Targaryen family and Sansa Stark has to conquer Westeros for that to happen. 

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Yeah it's not Sansa but here's a clue. 

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Q: 5-year gap?

A: It worked for characters like Arya and Dany but not so much for the adults or those who had a lot of action coming. He was writing chapters where Jon thought, "Well, not a lot has happened these past five years, it's been kinda nice." And Cersei chapters where she thought, "Well, I've had to kill sooo many people the last five years." So he ended up dropping it. He said he would have done it sooner if he hadn't told so many fans about it. And there is no gap anymore. "If a twelve-year old has to conquer the world, then so be it."

 

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I used to be on "Team Sansa" but even when I was I never expected that she would be Queen.  All of the Baratheon/Lannister line would have to die, as well as Dany and whatever Targs might be around, as well as the fact that she would have to take on and kill Jon.  Even then she isn't a legitimate heir, she would just be the last one standing.  I not only don't think it could happen I also don't want it to happen.  The only way that I see it happening is if the Night King kills her, marries her, and then she plunges an obsidian dagger into him.

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54 minutes ago, Byfort of Corfe said:

 The only way that I see it happening is if the Night King kills her, marries her, and then she plunges an obsidian dagger into him.

Well, that might happen on the show considering the...unique...ways they have derailed her story line. Unless she marries Un-Gregor first. Or Euron.

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2 hours ago, Free folk Daemon said:

The theory goes that GRRM is writing it with similarities to the Tudor line of monarchs in England.

I'd be wary of relying too much on historical precedent. Of course he looked to historical events and characters as inspiration - as a starting point - but that's no reason to assume that he will then follow the course of those same events in his story. GRRM is telling his own story, the one he wants to tell.

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5 hours ago, Free folk Daemon said:

I read a theory that Sansa Stark will be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms at the end of ASOIAF.

The theory goes that GRRM is writing it with similarities to the Tudor line of monarchs in England. Some of Henry VII's life has similarities with Daenerys'. That aside, the theory says that Robert Baratheon has similarities with Henry VIII, and he was followed by Joffrey and Tommen (both boy kings like Edward VI) and then Cersei at least in the show (similar in some ways to Mary I). Next in the Tudor line was Elizabeth I, a red-haired queen.

Do people think Sansa will be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms?

My chief concern with this theory is that she has no real claim to the Iron Throne according to the laws of the Seven Kingdoms, and I can't see her wanting to take the rest of the Seven Kingdoms by conquest.

Thoughts?

 

No, I can't see her as queen for the reasons you stated.  She has no path to the throne in her own right, and isn't going to take it by conquest.  I do see a possibility that she could become queen consort (i.e., wife to the king), although I'm not sure whose wife she would be.  I don't think Aegon is going to last long, and I don't see Tommen around at the end, either. 

To be honest, I see her as more likely to become Lady of Winterfell, since it's possible that neither of her brothers will be around at the end to take the post (or be interested, in Bran's case).  In any case, I think she will be a power to be reckoned with by the end.

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5 hours ago, Free folk Daemon said:

Do people think Sansa will be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms?

Not this people.  Sansa is the most unsuited person for leadership and very undeserving.  She doesn't belong within a mile of any throne.

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As much as I love Sansa I can't see her ruling anything at the end of asoiaf. I see her more of becoming a strong behind the scenes player. She doesn't have any leadership skills or qualities and she hasn't been learning how to be a leader. Her story has been about discovering her intelligence and manipulation skills not discovering leadership abilities.

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Not Queen of the 7 Kingdoms but Queen of Mountain and Vale. Through marriage to the King of Mountain and Vale, Robert Arryn. 

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I've said yes, and without needing any Tudor crutch to base it on.  The extent of the "theory" was that, like they say in the drug culture, "it feels right" for her to ascend to the throne, having done her time and earned it in the school of hard knocks.  The people could easily pick her as someone who understands their pain and suffering, making her least likely to heap more of it on them.   #LittleFingerDoesMoreThanDie

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6 hours ago, Sydney Mae said:

Sansa is the most unsuited person for leadership and very undeserving.  She doesn't belong within a mile of any throne.

. Just like Joffrey! ... Sorry for that. But it sure seems as if Westeros hasn't been very good at picking rulers on the basis of merit lately. Nor has there been much attempt. First, heredity. That can easily go wrong, even with Targaryens. Second, right of conquest. Robert Baratheon was a big fail in that regard.

I also don't see much of a pathway for Sansa to assume the throne. Even for her to be "the last one standing", remember, there are LOTS of ambitious, powerful, and intelligent lords still allive, with armies. When we last saw Sansa, she was effectlvely still in her golden cage, this time under the eye of Littlefinger. Moreover, winter has come. Fighting will cease until spring, when, if things go according to usual, the plagues will break out to devastate the few remaining survivors. But we know that things are no longer normal; the winter could last much longer, maybe forever, and the Others and their hordes of wights will stalk the land, bringing cold and death, and then un-death with them.

It remains to be seen whether ANY human will sit the Iron Throne again.

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No, she will be queen and then her king will die and she will end the series as dowager.

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I never got the connection with Elizabeth I. ooh both have red hair must end up being a spinster queen.

That being said Sansa is my least fave Stark I have always pictured her ending up as a lady but without the frivolous views she had as a child. Prob won't happen but I see her as regent in the North to Rickon, a girl can dream he won't vanish in the story forever, or Lady of the Vale through marriage to someone. Pick up on her games and ends up having her cousin or Harry the heir wrapped around her finger.

 

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Sansa will be Queen of Winter, no more (and no less) than that. Her castle is a castle of snow. Her prayers will be answered by the gods of her ancestors, the Kings of Winter in the north. That's where she's going. The moon had crowned the moonmaid...

Might not be pretty, though.

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I think she will be Queen in the North:

  1. She's paralleled to Elizabeth of York
  2. Her storyline revolves around the politics rather than the song
  3. Minus Rickon she's the only Stark whose in a position to take back the Northern crown
  4. She'll be backed by the North and Vale
  5. I feel like George has built her up to be the 'pawn to player' character trope

As for Queen of Westeros that's only possible if she marries whoever becomes king, can see a Henry/Elizabeth parallel through Aegon/Sansa but I'm 50% sure he's a fake so...

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If Rickon dies and Bran somehow becomes a god, Sansa is very likely the first Lady of Winterfell and Wardeness of North. 

Depending on her marriage, she might also be Lady of Casterly Rock (Tyrion), or Lady of Vale (Harry or Robin), or even Lady of Stormlands (Edric Storm?).  

 

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At best I see her as the Queen of North. I always assumed that her story was heading in the direction of power on a throne (with all the stuff she is learning in the Vale right now and what not). She will have one of the "happier" endings I assume. But she isn't going to be queen of the iron throne, no way.

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