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US Politics: Russian Roulette Republican Style

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19 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

Reminds me of one of the news blurbs that begins the chapters in the Otherland books, talking about how the Middle East finally makes peace with each other in order to team up and defeat America. :/

You do realize this is very close to evangelical Christian end-times theology, right?  Gog and Magog, massive armies clashing, that sort of thing? 

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No, I didn't. I just thought it was a funny because it's fiction but now it isn't thing. Gog abd Magog sound like Lotr characters to me.

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37 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

Nah. Jones could single-handedly save the state of Alabama from an invasion of gay Muslim vegan socialists led by the reanimated corpse of US Grant and they'd still never forgive him for prosecuting Klansmen.

They'd probably hang me for saying Saeb Erakat has really handled himself with aplomb on the news just now about the designation of Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.

He seemed like a passionate and intelligent man who was respectfully committed to his cause. I will delver deeper into the man's politics. 

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16 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

No, I didn't. I just thought it was a funny because it's fiction but now it isn't thing. Gog abd Magog sound like Lotr characters to me.

Gog and Magog versus Azog and Gothmog.

7 minutes ago, WinterFox said:

They'd probably hang me for saying Saeb Erakat has really handled himself with aplomb on the news just now about the designation of Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel.

Well, I think their first reaction would be "what's a Saeb Erekat?"

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8 minutes ago, dmc515 said:

Gog and Magog versus Azog and Gothmog.

Well, I think their first reaction would be "what's a Saeb Erekat?"

Chief Negotiator of the Palestinian state, silly. Do you even follow current events? ^_^

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4 hours ago, Martell Spy said:

They could have done a more broader based tax cut and it would have been hugely popular. That's why I think Republicans believe they are going down and are grabbing the loot while they can. It's either that or they think 100% of their voters are stupid.

Well, I think it's a number of things.  First, they are counting on many of their broad constituency to not care about this bill, or at least either not care or be ill-informed on its details - while obviously the bill is servicing those that care very much about the details.  That's not a totally out-there expectation.  Second, I do think they genuinely think this will help - in the short term.  As has been mentioned on this thread - the benefits to most voters are frontloaded (while they are punished in later years), and I'm strongly suspect most GOP elites drink their own koolaid and think this will help the economy short term.

As for not just passing a broad tax cut - that's something I openly wondered early in the process as well.  However, it's clear now their main goal is to make the corporate rate cuts permanent, and to do so that meant extracting revenue from everybody else.   

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Trump Jr. cites attorney-client privilege in refusing to answer questions about talks with daddy

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Donald Trump Jr. on Wednesday cited attorney-client privilege to avoid telling lawmakers about a conversation he had with his father, President Donald Trump, after news broke this summer that the younger Trump — and top campaign brass — had met with Russia-connected individuals in Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign.

Though neither Trump Jr. nor the president is an attorney, Trump Jr. told the House Intelligence Committee that there was a lawyer in the room during the discussion, according to the committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Adam Schiff of California. Schiff said he didn’t think it was a legitimate invocation of attorney-client privilege.

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I have watched an interminable amount of Law & Order.  And if they had any consistent legal standard, it was one of the chief exceptions to the privilege is when there's a third party present.

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1 hour ago, dmc515 said:

Trump Jr. cites attorney-client privilege in refusing to answer questions about talks with daddy

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I have watched an interminable amount of Law & Order.  And if they had any consistent legal standard, it was one of the chief exceptions to the privilege is when there's a third party present.

But have you considered that the orange bastard's brain is liquefying and Jr. has been pretending to be a lawyer to earn Daddy Dementia's affection?

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11 minutes ago, Pony Queen Jace said:

But have you considered that the orange bastard's brain is liquefying and Jr. has been pretending to be a lawyer to earn Daddy Dementia's affection?

No, but that's not fair.  It's very difficult - and often disturbing - to consider all the ways in which Trump's kids may behave in order to earn his affections.

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8 hours ago, drawkcabi said:

So, North Korea nuclear pissing contest, climate change, wild fires, hurricanes, earthquakes, Jerusalem being made the capital of Israel.

No wonder Trump and the GOP has such strong unwavering support with a large fraction of their base. They want this. Maybe they couldn't be happier with the way things are going.This is their sure sign of the impending Rapture.

Rapture Gif- https://goo.gl/images/vwwuXc

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3 hours ago, dmc515 said:

Trump Jr. cites attorney-client privilege in refusing to answer questions about talks with daddy

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I have watched an interminable amount of Law & Order.  And if they had any consistent legal standard, it was one of the chief exceptions to the privilege is when there's a third party present.

Also, DJT and DJTJ are not, ya know, lawyers.

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39 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Also, DJT and DJTJ are not, ya know, lawyers.

Yeah the number of ways one can quash Junior's claim are legion.  I attempted the amusingly ridiculous route to get down to their level.

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Perjury, false privilege, selective amnesia, these are all valid legal strategies now.

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5 hours ago, dmc515 said:

Trump Jr. cites attorney-client privilege in refusing to answer questions about talks with daddy

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I have watched an interminable amount of Law & Order.  And if they had any consistent legal standard, it was one of the chief exceptions to the privilege is when there's a third party present.

Jr. claims that there was an attorney present during the discussions.  If that attorney was hired to provide legal advice to the Trump campaign in connection to the potential liabilities resulting from Jr.'s meeting with the Russian lawyer, then attorney-client privilege probably applies.  To waive privilege, the third party would have to be someone outside of the Trump campaign, and I don't see any indication that any such third party was present.

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Sanders seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The guy is so out of touch with reality. 

 

"I think that the vast majority of Trump supporters are people who are in pain, who are struggling economically… and they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense.”

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjz5dw/bernie-sanders-tax-reform-tour-ohio?utm_source=vicetwitterus

This economic anxiety garbage has been shown to be bullshit time and time again. Trump supporters have a median house hold income of $72,00, the only reasons they voted for him are bigotry and greed. And yes, EVERY Trump supporter is a bigot. 

You either saw his bigotry and went fuck yea, or you didn't give a shit about it or stopping it because you're a greedy prick. And not caring about bigotry and supporting a person who has bigoted policies is enabling their bigotry which makes you a privileged jackass. If you dont care about bigoted policies impacting the people they target, then you are a bigot as well. The lives of the marginalized mean nothing to you so don't say you aren't a bigot and that you care, because you had the chance to show you do and you went the other way.

So tired of Sanders and his regressive class only leftism. 
Edited by Sword of Doom

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15 minutes ago, Mudguard said:

If that attorney was hired to provide legal advice to the Trump campaign in connection to the potential liabilities resulting from Jr.'s meeting with the Russian lawyer, then attorney-client privilege probably applies.

From my understanding, that would only be applicable if the third party - in this case Trump Sr. - has the same common interest or "potential liabilities resulting from Jr.'s meeting" as Junior himself.  Politically, admitting that is immeasurably more dangerous than simply framing it as Junior talking out of his ass.

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12 minutes ago, dmc515 said:

From my understanding, that would only be applicable if the third party - in this case Trump Sr. - has the same common interest or "potential liabilities resulting from Jr.'s meeting" as Junior himself.  Politically, admitting that is immeasurably more dangerous than simply framing it as Junior talking out of his ass.

I think it's pretty clear that Jr. took the meeting with the Russian lawyer as a member of the Trump campaign.  There hasn't been any attempt to claim that Jr. was acting on his own behalf for personal reasons, and such a claim would be unbelievable anyway given the nature of the meeting.  So the client in this case would be the Trump campaign, which includes both Trump Sr. and Trump Jr.  

The article doesn't make it clear what role the attorney had in the discussion between Trump Sr. and Trump Jr.  However, since they knew that the meeting between Jr. and the Russian lawyer was going to be a big problem, I think it's reasonable to assume that they brought the lawyer into the discussion specifically to advise them on the legal ramifications of Jr.'s meeting with the Russian lawyer.

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10 hours ago, Nasty LongRider said:

It's cool (even if the victory was already settled), although it came with a bit of a fly in the ointment - in another special election on the same day, Republicans succesfully flipped their first seat of the year, symbolically ending the blue streak.

You'd be surprised how, on progressive sites like Daily Kos, such a small notch in such an impressive streak is enough to send a lot of people packing and running for the hills. "The blue wave is not happening after all! Now we have nothing left!"

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1 hour ago, Sword of Doom said:

So tired of Sanders and his regressive class only leftism. 

While he probably believes what he's saying to a certain degree, I imagine that he is also emphasizing the 'pain of the rurals' narrative just in case he runs in 2020. It makes a lot of sense. He could concievably be the one guy to unite a bunch of working-class fly-over staters and a ton of progressive liberals into one base.

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11 hours ago, Kalbear said:

There are a whole lot of evangelicals - including a fairly famous ASOIAF artist who frequents this board from time to time - who believe precisely this - that the end of the world is coming, and being anti-Muslim is the most important thing to do - along with protect Jerusalem. They expect an end of days war, and look for the signs. 

 

11 hours ago, drawkcabi said:

And Trump's son-in-law owning 666 fifth avenue is either overlooked as a bad sign to them or do they make that fit in the narrative working for them?

If Trump is impeached and is either removed from office or resigns after 7 years as president, does that make him the anti-Christ?

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