Lord of Raventree Hall

What if Tommen and Myrcella died?

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This has probably been discussed before, but my search for answers was unsatisfactory. So, I am wondering, what do you think Cersei would do if somehow her two children died. Stannis is now heir to Iron Throne no matter what. In the Dance of Dragons, Aegon III was placed on the throne after his Uncle died. Is it possible that there would be any more support for Stannis in this scenario, or are we all assuming Aegon is going to take the Iron Throne, so it doen't matter anyways? Who would what's left of the Lannisters declare King or Queen?

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I think it would drive a lot of lords to the causes of Aegon or Stannis. I’m not sure that the Lannisters would even attempt to claim the throne at this point as too few Houses would take it seriously. Cersei may attempt to crown herself but I doubt she’d be able to get away with it for very long or at all. 

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From a legal perspective, considering Tommen gets his claim from being a "legal" son of Robert, after him and Myrcella, the crown should pass to Stannis, but since he's a rebel I'd say he's out of the line of succession. Now I don't remember how far back you have to go in Robert's family, but actually the next in line is Cercei. Or actually Tyrion, but you know, crossbows.

All things considered though, I don't think anyone would care about blood right after Myrcella, then it'd be war of conquest.

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1 hour ago, The North Forgot said:

Now I don't remember how far back you have to go in Robert's family, but actually the next in line is Cercei. Or actually Tyrion, but you know, crossbows.

If you're referring to House Lannister being the heir to House Baratheon through some marriage a couple of generations ago, then I think Tyrek or someone else would be the heir before Cersei

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If Stannis and Shireen are considered rebels and out of succesion, no bastard is legitimized then probably house Baratheon is extinct. That means Aegon gets more supporters. 

I don't see Cersei submit. She returns to Casterly Rock and declares herself lion queen.

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On 12/5/2017 at 1:10 AM, Lord of Raventree Hall said:

This has probably been discussed before, but my search for answers was unsatisfactory. So, I am wondering, what do you think Cersei would do if somehow her two children died. Stannis is now heir to Iron Throne no matter what. In the Dance of Dragons, Aegon III was placed on the throne after his Uncle died. Is it possible that there would be any more support for Stannis in this scenario, or are we all assuming Aegon is going to take the Iron Throne, so it doen't matter anyways? Who would what's left of the Lannisters declare King or Queen?

It is really difficult to say since we cannot be certain, at the end of Dance, what Cersei’s current position is. Who is the current regent for Tommen? Who is Hand? Who has the most military power in King's Landing? Do Tommen and Myrcella die simultaneously, or successively? I presume your hypothetical question assumes that no other claimant has seized the throne yet. 

So, let's take it slow... Kevan and Pycelle are dead, Swift has left for Braavos, and Cersei and Margaery have won their trials. Mace is still Hand. Tommen is still king. Myrcella arrives in King's Landing with her Dornishman's escort. 

Mace has the power. And the High Septon is probably the second most powerful player in King's Landing. Would Mace allow Cersei to serve as regent? Let's assume he would. But let's also assume that Mace takes the better part of his remaining power from King's Landing to battle Aegon. 

Now, let's remove Tommen and Myrcella from the board. A lot would depend on how they are removed. The Dornishmen might be very concerned with any move against Myrcella, and the Lords of the Reach would be very concerned with any move against Tommen. Would Cersei be in a position to seize the throne herself? I think she would need a marriage alliance with... ... ... Euron? Would the Faith allow that? Who else would ally with Cersei? 

Of course, she would be wise to get back to Casterly Rock, wed a lord, heir, or knight from her strongest bannermen, and consolidate her hold over Casterly Rock. But we all know that ain't gonna happen. 

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