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Is Rickon going to be King/the next warden?

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In the show, they solve this problem by having him just being handed over to Ramsey to be slaughtered and have Bran arrive after Jon's coronation. But, in the books, Rickon appears(at least for the time being), to be in safe hands. Bran can't sire anymore sons so I think in this instance, people wouldn't mind if it skipped  over to Rickon. If so what of Jon? He's been named Robb's heir.

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41 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

In the show, they solve this problem by having him just being handed over to Ramsey to be slaughtered and have Bran arrive after Jon's coronation. But, in the books, Rickon appears(at least for the time being), to be in safe hands. Bran can't sire anymore sons so I think in this instance, people wouldn't mind if it skipped  over to Rickon. If so what of Jon? He's been named Robb's heir.

The truth is Jon cannot really be King in the North once his true identity is revealed. Because then all of Eddard's living children should rank above him in the line of succession. So either Jon will be King in the North for a very short period, until Rickon arrives, or Jon will not become King in the North, but will instead be regent for Rickon in the upcoming War.

Then, when his true identity is revealed, he becomes King on the Iron Throne.

If Rickon dies, then Bran still ranks ahead of Jon, as do Sansa and Arya. In each case, I can see him acting as defacto leader until the war is over, but not inheriting Winterfell in the long run.

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@Free Northman Reborn

Rickon  will be the kid in the North. I don't think Northerners would care much about proper succession at this point. They need a Stark and Jon is the best candidate there is; Male, decent fighter, loved and respected by many(not all) of his brothers, chosen for Old Bear to be his successor, became LC at a very young age and in the most difficult situation for NW in perhaps thousands of years, repelled Wildling Invasion with limited sources, managed a peaceful solution to Wildling problem... If he turns out to be Lyanna's son, then all the better as Lyanna was the person they went out to war for or should have done so in the first place. He is an Expendable Lord of Winterfell as well; if a time comes that they aren't in the hard situation they are in now, with Iron Throne and White Walkers are no more a threat for the North and Jon doesn't suit their needs, they can simply ask him to abdicate in favor of Rickon or else, since he was a sworn brother and the lord commander of NW and he arguably deserted his post and interfered with realm politics by aiding Stannis.

 

In all honesty, "Watch doesn't take parts" is just a load of rubbish, especially for Northerners. It's mostly them who keep the Watch running and also them who benefits most from it, I doubt any Northern Lords, especially Lord of Winterfell, whether King in da Norf or Warden, would say no to Watch interference if it aids them and this is shown with Mountain Clansmen aiding Stannis, who was a relief aid in all but name, sent to them by Jon. They also bring two wetnurses for little monster, Jon's foster child and noble guests for Alys' wedding, which Jon arrenged as the patriarch/lord of house (Kar)Stark and the North. I think Jon is any northern lords Watch dreams come true.

 

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14 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

@Free Northman Reborn

Rickon  will be the kid in the North. I don't think Northerners would care much about proper succession at this point. They need a Stark and Jon is the best candidate there is; Male, decent fighter, loved and respected by many(not all) of his brothers, chosen for Old Bear to be his successor, became LC at a very young age and in the most difficult situation for NW in perhaps thousands of years, repelled Wildling Invasion with limited sources, managed a peaceful solution to Wildling problem... If he turns out to be Lyanna's son, then all the better as Lyanna was the person they went out to war for or should have done so in the first place. He is an Expendable Lord of Winterfell as well; if a time comes that they aren't in the hard situation they are in now, with Iron Throne and White Walkers are no more a threat for the North and Jon doesn't suit their needs, they can simply ask him to abdicate in favor of Rickon or else, since he was a sworn brother and the lord commander of NW and he arguably deserted his post and interfered with realm politics by aiding Stannis.

 

In all honesty, "Watch doesn't take parts" is just a load of rubbish, especially for Northerners. It's mostly them who keep the Watch running and also them who benefits most from it, I doubt any Northern Lords, especially Lord of Winterfell, whether King in da Norf or Warden, would say no to Watch interference if it aids them and this is shown with Mountain Clansmen aiding Stannis, who was a relief aid in all but name, sent to them by Jon. They also bring two wetnurses for little monster, Jon's foster child and noble guests for Alys' wedding, which Jon arrenged as the patriarch/lord of house (Kar)Stark and the North. I think Jon is any northern lords Watch dreams come true.

 

Come on Corvo. Simple question: Do you really see Jon taking Winterfell from any of his siblings? Even if Robb's will names him heir?

Seriously. Do you? That's why I say, even if he becomes King in the North, it will only be until one of his former siblings arrives, at which point he will become "defacto ruler" on their behalf, until such time as the war is over.

There is no way Jon will rob any of them of their birthright.

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3 minutes ago, Free Northman Reborn said:

Come on Corvo. Simple question: Do you really see Jon taking Winterfell from any of his siblings? Even if Robb's will names him heir?

Seriously. Do you? That's why I say, even if he becomes King in the North, it will only be until one of his former siblings arrives, at which point he will become "defacto ruler" on their behalf, until such time as the war is over.

There is no way Jon will rob any of them of their birthright.

Read again. I didn't say it is Jon's wish to replace his "siblings". With no children of Eddard Stark currently available (fArya reveal), Jon will take Winterfell and Northern lords would rejoice because he's the kind of leader they need. If/when Rickon comes he may or may not step down with the current dangers. I believe he'll step down willingly when all is safe but even if he doesn't, lords of the North can take him down with just cause.

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8 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Read again. I didn't say it is Jon's wish to replace his "siblings". With no children of Eddard Stark currently available (fArya reveal), Jon will take Winterfell and Northern lords would rejoice because he's the kind of leader they need. If/when Rickon comes he may or may not step down with the current dangers. I believe he'll step down willingly when all is safe but even if he doesn't, lords of the North can take him down with just cause.

Well I'm confused. You then seem to be saying that Jon will become King in the North, but only temporarily, until one of his siblings arrives.

Which is exactly what I said, so I guess we agree then.

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2 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

@Free Northman Reborn

Rickon  will be the kid in the North. I don't think Northerners would care much about proper succession at this point. They need a Stark and Jon is the best candidate there is; Male, decent fighter, loved and respected by many(not all) of his brothers, He's also hated by a lot of them as well for his policies concerning the wildlings.chosen for Old Bear to be his successor,Mormont's approval is a plus. became LC at a very young age and in the most difficult situation for NW in perhaps thousands of years, repelled Wildling Invasion with limited sources, managed a peaceful solution to Wildling problem... The free folk have been the the monsters parents would tell their children should fear due to them pillaging and raping them for thousands of years. Allowing them in (even specifically on watch land at most for the time being), would be seen as a detraction by the lords of the north. Especially of stories of Jon having given his blessing to a "savage" the hand of a daughter of one of the most prestigious houses in the north. If he turns out to be Lyanna's son, then all the better as Lyanna was the person they went out to war for or should have done so in the first place. He's also Rheagar's son. They went to war because Mad Aerys had unjustly executed Rickard and Brandon Stark and was aiming for the stark heir because Lord stark and his heir had dare to ask for justice for his sons kidnapping Lyanna. If this story is found out Lyanna angelic vestige is gone, she's forever the whore(never mind Robert's cheating because he has a dick so him fuckin any pretty woman in sight is fine),who got thousands if people killed because she had to ride a dragon.  He is an Expendable Lord of Winter fell as well; if a time comes that they aren't in the hard situation they are in now, with Iron Throne and White Walkers are no more a threat for the North and Jon doesn't suit their needs, they can simply ask him to abdicate in favor of Rickon or else 

, since he was a sworn brother and the lord commander of NW and he arguably deserted his post and interfered with realm politics by aiding Stannis.

 How could they justify crowning him having already known that?

In all honesty, "Watch doesn't take parts" is just a load of rubbish, especially for Northerners. It's mostly them who keep the Watch running and also them who benefits most from it, I doubt any Northern Lords, especially Lord of Winterfell, whether King in da Norf or Warden, would say no to Watch interference if it aids them and this is shown with Mountain Clansmen aiding Stannis, who was a relief aid in all but name, sent to them by Jon. That was highly unorthodox.  also bring two wetnurses for little monster, Jon's foster child and noble guests for Alys' wedding, which Jon arrenged as the patriarch/lord of house (Kar)Stark and the North. I think Jon is any northern lords Watch dreams come true.

 

 

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I think I agree with the idea of Jon refusing to abdicate if he felt he really did need the position. I wonder who Jon would marry. Last time they had a king, Robb sadly died before an heir was born to him. I'm sure thered be immense pressure for Jon to marry and sire an heir immeditely

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6 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Read again. I didn't say it is Jon's wish to replace his "siblings". With no children of Eddard Stark currently available (fArya reveal), Jon will take Winterfell and Northern lords would rejoice because he's the kind of leader they need. If/when Rickon comes he may or may not step down with the current dangers. I believe he'll step down willingly when all is safe but even if he doesn't, lords of the North can take him down with just cause.

Catelyn would never allow Jon to get close to being part of the family.

So if Rickon becomes King in the North, who will be his consort?

And when I hear King in the North, I keep thinking:

”King in the North! King in the North! King in the North! Here comes the King in the North! King in the North! King in the North! Here comes the King in the North!” Etc...

 

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4 hours ago, Angel Eyes said:

Catelyn would never allow Jon to get close to being part of the family.

So if Rickon becomes King in the North, who will be his consort?

And when I hear King in the North, I keep thinking:

”King in the North! King in the North! King in the North! Here comes the King in the North! King in the North! King in the North! Here comes the King in the North!” Etc...

 

Catelyn is dead. Though I do wonder what  LSH is going to do with Jon 

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12 hours ago, Free Northman Reborn said:

Well I'm confused. You then seem to be saying that Jon will become King in the North, but only temporarily, until one of his siblings arrives.

Which is exactly what I said, so I guess we agree then.

Yes, but no. Because we don't know whether any of his siblings arrive any time soon and even if they did, well there's a saying where I live  "you don't change horses while crossing a river; in the current turmoil of the North Jon won't step down, even if he wanted to his vassals won't accept this and I doubt he'll want it at all because him, a strong leader figure, stepping down will throw everything into chaos.

After there's peace, I believe he'll willingly step down. If he doesn't because of a reason such as his replacement will be open to manipulation, Northern Lords can as easily take him down as they put him there in the first place.

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On 12/22/2017 at 2:40 AM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Catelyn is dead. Though I do wonder what  LSH is going to do with Jon 

Catelyn consented for Jon to become Robb’s heir. Also even though LSH has become much more unforgiving and merciless (stone-hearted) than Catelyn was she still does everything for revenge for her children, and wouldn’t dare to interfere with one of Robb’s last will, even if she always hated Jon and his presence in her family.

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