Varysblackfyre321 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Look homophobia and misogony aside-they're really only one of the few groups who've shown any real care for the common people, the high sparrow though a zealot, legitimately cares for the plebeians. So can it be seen they're coming to power is partially a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo of House Cartel Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I can't imagine the High Sparrow cultivating a positive relationship with the people of the North and their Old Gods. Perhaps if Roose stays in power then he could be swayed to the Seven by greed or ambition but even so, the thousands/millions of people who live in the North probably wouldn't take to kindly to being asked to assimilate. Same for the Iron Born, look how past attempts to start up Septs in the Iron Isles have gone. I'm also not sure how the High Sparrow and his followers would react to Dornish cultural traits like the sex-friendly attitude and female inheritance. With the the Dornish themselves being famously hotheaded, one can imagine trouble stirring should the Faith try to make to many changes to their customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygett Lannister Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Look homophobia and misogony aside-they're really only one of the few groups who've shown any real care for the common people, the high sparrow though a zealot, legitimately cares for the plebeians. So can it be seen they're coming to power is partially a good thing? We don't really know what High Sparrow's goal is. I think it would end up like Dany's revolution in Slaver's bay so a lot of killing and things getting worse for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 While I think that the Faith Militant could in the short run be useful for some political manouverings it seems that in the long run they are much more problem than they are worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, LionoftheWest said: While I think that the Faith Militant could in the short run be useful for some political manouverings it seems that in the long run they are much more problem than they are worth. Exactly. The Faith Mil, as a religious organization, has a whole absolutist agenda. They can't compromise; often, not even discuss. It's their way or the highway. The only way to successfully deal with them is to get rid of them, like Maegor, who may have been crazy, but was not stupid. Re-authorizing the rise of the Faith Mil was one of Cersei's most bone-headed decisions, done for quick momentary advantage. Sure, we may (well, I do) cheer on their persecution of Cersei - her crimes and hypocrisy finally catching up with her! - but the cost in continued violence and intolerance should never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tai Pan Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Look homophobia and misogony aside-they're really only one of the few groups who've shown any real care for the common people, the high sparrow though a zealot, legitimately cares for the plebeians. So can it be seen they're coming to power is partially a good thing? They bring a lot of good. They bring a lot of bad. The gist is you need both the State, which is the monarch, and the Church to work together. That's the ideal but often times the interests of the nobility conflict with the common people's. The interest of the Church conflict with the people's. The Church serve the gods, the nobles serve themselves, the Citadel have their heads inside their chamber pots, etc. The real answer is for all of these groups to compromise and work together. The story had a medieval timing but even in our modern age this is still a problem. I don't think the author himself has the solution. Can a church exist without a god? Because that is really the only way to get the churches to focus on helping people instead of spreading their gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Yes They take care of the smallfolk while the elites walk all over them and send them to go die in wars because their liege lord got their feelings hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Newman Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Good for whom? The fanatics who follow them and the malcontents, yes. Not so for the rest. Certainly not for the highborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Kings Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Capt. Hans Dietrich said: Good for whom? The fanatics who follow them and the malcontents, yes. Not so for the rest. Certainly not for the highborn. The 99% dont care what the games the 1% are paying, they just want to feed their children and not get raped, killed, pillaged (in that order) in the middle of the night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Newman Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 49 minutes ago, Frey Kings said: The 99% dont care what the games the 1% are paying, they just want to feed their children and not get raped, killed, pillaged (in that order) in the middle of the night In the south, maybe. The North and their Old Gods would not fare well if the Faith militant remained in power. The Iron Born's Drowned God will become a target for faith conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Some of the responses seem to conflate the Faith with the Faith Militant. No doubt that many of the septas and septons, not to mention the brothers on the Quiet Isle, do a lot of good, helping the smallfolk with food, medical care, and probably teaching them as well. The Faith Militant - the military wing - does none of those things. It's a militia designed to find sinners and enemies of the very narrowly-defined Faith, apprehend them, jail them, and punish them. Kind of like the Inquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 No, absolutely not. Religious, military orders are a pretty awful idea and always have been. About the only good thing Maegor ever did was get rid of the Faith Militant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpg2016 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 On 12/23/2017 at 0:08 AM, zandru said: Some of the responses seem to conflate the Faith with the Faith Militant. No doubt that many of the septas and septons, not to mention the brothers on the Quiet Isle, do a lot of good, helping the smallfolk with food, medical care, and probably teaching them as well. The Faith Militant - the military wing - does none of those things. It's a militia designed to find sinners and enemies of the very narrowly-defined Faith, apprehend them, jail them, and punish them. Kind of like the Inquisition. This. The Faith does a lot of good. The Faith Militant only exists to enforce orthodoxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 When a society is in crisis the Faith Militants rise high everywhere. It's normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 How can anyone sane disregard misogyny, and that accounts for half the population, or homophobia, which is despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dacey Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 23/12/2017 at 3:08 AM, zandru said: Some of the responses seem to conflate the Faith with the Faith Militant. No doubt that many of the septas and septons, not to mention the brothers on the Quiet Isle, do a lot of good, helping the smallfolk with food, medical care, and probably teaching them as well. The Faith Militant - the military wing - does none of those things. It's a militia designed to find sinners and enemies of the very narrowly-defined Faith, apprehend them, jail them, and punish them. Kind of like the Inquisition. That. The faith militant is nothing good. Who do they "protect" the commom people from? Or do they harass all those who don't comply with the faith's ideology? Secularity (is that a word?) is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dacey Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 24 minutes ago, HoodedCrow said: How can anyone sane disregard misogyny, and that accounts for half the population, or homophobia, which is despicable. Where is the like button on this site?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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