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Would it be a good thing if the Faith militant remained in power


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I can't imagine the High Sparrow cultivating a positive relationship with the people of the North and their Old Gods. Perhaps if Roose stays in power then he could be swayed to the Seven by greed or ambition but even so, the thousands/millions of people who live in the North probably wouldn't take to kindly to being asked to assimilate.

Same for the Iron Born, look how past attempts to start up Septs in the Iron Isles have gone.

I'm also not sure how the High Sparrow and his followers would react to Dornish cultural traits like the sex-friendly attitude and female inheritance. With the the Dornish themselves being famously hotheaded, one can imagine trouble stirring should the Faith try to make to many changes to their customs.

 

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3 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Look homophobia and misogony aside-they're really only one of the few groups who've shown any real care for the common people, the high sparrow though a zealot, legitimately cares for the plebeians. So can it be seen they're coming to power is partially a good thing?

We don't really know what High Sparrow's  goal is. I think it would end up like Dany's revolution in Slaver's bay so a lot of killing and things getting worse for everybody.

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1 hour ago, LionoftheWest said:

While I think that the Faith Militant could in the short run be useful for some political manouverings it seems that in the long run they are much more problem than they are worth.

Exactly. The Faith Mil, as a religious organization, has a whole absolutist agenda. They can't compromise; often, not even discuss. It's their way or the highway. The only way to successfully deal with them is to get rid of them, like Maegor, who may have been crazy, but was not stupid. Re-authorizing the rise of the Faith Mil was one of Cersei's most bone-headed decisions, done for quick momentary advantage. Sure, we may (well, I do) cheer on their persecution of Cersei - her crimes and hypocrisy finally catching up with her! - but the cost in continued violence and intolerance should never have happened.

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7 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Look homophobia and misogony aside-they're really only one of the few groups who've shown any real care for the common people, the high sparrow though a zealot, legitimately cares for the plebeians. So can it be seen they're coming to power is partially a good thing?

They bring a lot of good.  They bring a lot of bad.  The gist is you need both the State, which is the monarch, and the Church to work together.  That's the ideal but often times the interests of the nobility conflict with the common people's.  The interest of the Church conflict with the people's.  The Church serve the gods, the nobles serve themselves, the Citadel have their heads inside their chamber pots, etc.  The real answer is for all of these groups to compromise and work together.   The story had a medieval timing but even in our modern age this is still a problem.  I don't think the author himself has the solution.  Can a church exist without a god?  Because that is really the only way to get the churches to focus on helping people instead of spreading their gospel.

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10 minutes ago, Capt. Hans Dietrich said:

Good for whom?  The fanatics who follow them and the malcontents, yes.  Not so for the rest.  Certainly not for the highborn.

The 99% dont care what the games the 1% are paying, they just want to feed their children and not get raped, killed, pillaged (in that order) in the middle of the night

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49 minutes ago, Frey Kings said:

The 99% dont care what the games the 1% are paying, they just want to feed their children and not get raped, killed, pillaged (in that order) in the middle of the night

In the south, maybe.  The North and their Old Gods would not fare well if the Faith militant remained in power.  The Iron Born's Drowned God will become a target for faith conversion. 

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Some of the responses seem to conflate the Faith with the Faith Militant. No doubt that many of the septas and septons, not to mention the brothers on the Quiet Isle, do a lot of good, helping the smallfolk with food, medical care, and probably teaching them as well. The Faith Militant - the military wing - does none of those things. It's a militia designed to find sinners and enemies of the very narrowly-defined Faith, apprehend them, jail them, and punish them. Kind of like the Inquisition.

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On 12/23/2017 at 0:08 AM, zandru said:

Some of the responses seem to conflate the Faith with the Faith Militant. No doubt that many of the septas and septons, not to mention the brothers on the Quiet Isle, do a lot of good, helping the smallfolk with food, medical care, and probably teaching them as well. The Faith Militant - the military wing - does none of those things. It's a militia designed to find sinners and enemies of the very narrowly-defined Faith, apprehend them, jail them, and punish them. Kind of like the Inquisition.

This.

The Faith does a lot of good.  The Faith Militant only exists to enforce orthodoxy.

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On 23/12/2017 at 3:08 AM, zandru said:

Some of the responses seem to conflate the Faith with the Faith Militant. No doubt that many of the septas and septons, not to mention the brothers on the Quiet Isle, do a lot of good, helping the smallfolk with food, medical care, and probably teaching them as well. The Faith Militant - the military wing - does none of those things. It's a militia designed to find sinners and enemies of the very narrowly-defined Faith, apprehend them, jail them, and punish them. Kind of like the Inquisition.

That. The faith militant is nothing good. Who do they "protect" the commom people from? Or do they harass all those who don't comply with the faith's ideology? Secularity (is that a word?) is a good thing. 

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