Frey Kings Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Maybe he is really of Valyrian descendant not necessarily of Royalty (red or black) , and shaped to be a really king. Would that be so bad for Westeros? Should the westerosi people be so absent minded that a person needs to be of Royalty blood instead of having the qualification and temperate to be a good ruling King? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Anyone half decent would be better than chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckPunch Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Frey Kings said: Should the westerosi people be so absent minded that a person needs to be of Royalty blood instead of having the qualification and temperate to be a good ruling King? Should they be? No. Are they? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divica Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Frey Kings said: Maybe he is really of Valyrian descendant not necessarily of Royalty (red or black) , and shaped to be a really king. Would that be so bad for Westeros? Should the westerosi people be so absent minded that a person needs to be of Royalty blood instead of having the qualification and temperate to be a good ruling King? YES Otherwise it would be madness. If a nobody can become king because he as the temperament and education then nearly every lord and countless nobodies can too! Why wouldn t they be king instead of faegon? It is needed more than the skills to be a good king in order to be king. At the very least faegon needs to do something to have that right. He needs to prove why he is worthy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Once the dragons vanished, the importance or royal blood diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daenerys Targaryen's slave Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I'm sure there are some minor nobles with incredibly high IQs who would do a better job. But they have no army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faera Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Daenerys Targaryen's slave said: I'm sure there are some minor nobles with incredibly high IQs who would do a better job. But they have no army. This. No matter what (f)Aegon could be a Lyseni slave bought and paid for by Illyrio and Varys to be trained from the cradle to be the most humble, educated and just ruler Westeros could hope for; it'll only take his son being an entitled little prat to undo any good works his father might achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Frey Kings said: Maybe he is really of Valyrian descendant not necessarily of Royalty (red or black) , and shaped to be a really king. Would that be so bad for Westeros? The point of Varys' speech to tyrion about the nature of power is that none of the qualities you mention mater. What matters is that he has an army, and he is raised to be a just and good king 1 hour ago, Frey Kings said: Should the westerosi people be so absent minded that a person needs to be of Royalty blood instead of having the qualification and temperate to be a good ruling King? People in the story believe in the divine right of kings the same way we believe in the inherent self regulating ability of capital markets. So yes, it is important and why (f)Aegon is raised the way he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 fAegon's motives depends on what he knows to be true. And we don't know what he believes to be true, so therefore, we cannot know his true motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Greyjoy Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Aegon is an actor playing a role.The people behind him are using him to sow chaos.So,when and if Dany comes she comes back home to nothing but ruin and will be forced to accept any terms that will restore some order.If he's a legit Targ then we got Dance of Dragons 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daenerys Targaryen's slave Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I'm of the opinion that Varys and Illyrio are playing both the Golden Company and eventually Westeros. Faegon is probably just some peasant boy - Serra was probably just a whore and nothing else. The Blackfyre angle is just there as a safety net so that when it is revealed that Faegon is an imposter, people will immediately point their finger and say "Blackfyre" since at least he would still hold legitimacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Regardless of who ends up on the iron throne, the situation with the Others is more pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faera Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Presuming he is a fake, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Aegon genuinely has no idea that he is an imposter. If Varys and Illyrio have been training him to be a perfect king, it might be that they decided the best way to have him perform convincingly is if he believes it himself. That said, it would be interesting if he really is just acting and fitting considering Varys's own history and skills as an actor and with disguises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darion Storm Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 If Aegon is a fake, I doubt that anyone knows except Varys and Illyrio. It would be too much of a risk for Aegon to know that he isn’t really Rhaegar’s son, what if he gets drunk or angry and he lets something slip? At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if he is a Targaryen or not, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s a duck. As long as he can convince people he is a Targ the deal is done. All that really matters is that he is a good king, Varys and Illyrio’s motives are the real question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megorova Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Darion Storm said: At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if he is a Targaryen or not, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s a duck. As long as he can convince people he is a Targ the deal is done. It may be easy to convince people, that he is the real deal. But it wouldn't be the same with dragons. So if he is fake, then when he will met with dragons, he will become a fried duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Newman Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 7 hours ago, HoodedCrow said: Once the dragons vanished, the importance or royal blood diminished. The dragons are back and in a big way. Blood and heredity is important. Besides, if you take away the importance of heredity, say take away that requirement to rule, then it will have a domino effect down to the nobles. In other words, take away a royal's right to rule and it won't be long before the right of every noble person to rule will be challenged. Power comes from the royal person and it passes down to the lords. Any threat to the power of the monarch is a threat to the power of the great houses to rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spilledguts Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 12/22/2017 at 8:24 PM, Capt. Hans Dietrich said: The dragons are back and in a big way. Blood and heredity is important. Besides, if you take away the importance of heredity, say take away that requirement to rule, then it will have a domino effect down to the nobles. In other words, take away a royal's right to rule and it won't be long before the right of every noble person to rule will be challenged. Power comes from the royal person and it passes down to the lords. Any threat to the power of the monarch is a threat to the power of the great houses to rule. Would you be in favor of England going back to an Absolute Monarchy along with the rest of Europe? Habsburgs back on top? Power being ruled by inheritance is the most horrible type of government. Why do you want it to continue in Westeros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 If Aegon or fAegon if you like motives maybe simple , he may not know that he isn't Rhaegar's son and he is only doing what is expected of him . BE WARY OF PHOPHECY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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