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U.S. Politics: A Wolff In Sheep's Clothing

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On 1/12/2018 at 3:41 PM, DanteGabriel said:

And the White House never denied he said it, but President Shithole issued a denial tweet approximately twelve minutes after one of the nattering numpties on Fox and Friends disapproved.

That was a good picture of Larry, Curly, and Moe.

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And. The. Hits. Keep. Coming:

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President Donald Trump reportedly couldn’t avoid stereotyping black people during a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus.

He had asked members of the Congressional Black Caucus in a March meeting, Vivian Salama reported for NBC News on Friday, if they personally knew Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, who is black. He was surprised when none of the attendees did, two meeting attendees told Salama.

That wasn’t the end of it. In the same meeting, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus told Trump that welfare cuts would hurt her constituents, “not all of whom are black.” Trump then reportedly responded, “Really? Then what are they?”

Trump has pulled this kind of stunt in public before. Last year, when April Ryan, a black reporter, asked Trump if he planned to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s “just a reporter” and therefore not at all affiliated with the congressional group.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/1/12/16885842/trump-racism-congressional-black-caucus

The Clown really is an ignorant fool. 

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22 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

 

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That wasn’t the end of it. In the same meeting, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus told Trump that welfare cuts would hurt her constituents, “not all of whom are black.” Trump then reportedly responded, “Really? Then what are they?”

I think here Trump sums up the views of Republicans.

The Republican Party simply needs to be annihilated.

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13 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said:

 

I think here Trump sums up the views of Republicans.

The Republican Party simply needs to be annihilated.

Yeah it's just amazing how stupid he is. He sounds like someone who got to the third grade and decided, "Yup, this is enough knowledge. I need no more of it!"

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Mueller seeks May trial start for Manafort and Gates

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/mueller-russia-investigation-may-trial-manafort-gates-338761

Supreme Court to hear Texas case on racial gerrymandering

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/supreme-court-texas-racial-gerrymandering-338733

Report: Trump Lawyer Paid $130,000 in November 2016 for Silence of Porn Actress Who Alleged Affair With Trump

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/trump-lawyer-paid-usd130k-for-pornographic-actress-nda-report.html
 

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2 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Because he's such a shit he could turn around and cancel the National Park status for King's birthplace?

Afterwards King's nephew was asked if he thought 45 was a racist, and he said no, not in the traditional sense, but that he was a racially ignorant man, and a few other things. I guess he was trying to be diplomatic. But really, I suspect they wanted the day to be a positive day in King's memory, not a shit slinging event.

I don't know what he meant by traditional - that he doesn't wear a white hood and carry a torch?

To be clear, my post was not to criticize MLK's nephew. I meant it for the various enablers around Trump who may leak their disdain anonymously but prop up this bloated, bigoted tyrant. That includes most Republican members of Congress, especially the Senators who claimed not to have heard him say these things.

I'd give Lindsey Graham some credit for standing up to Trump about that language, if he actually did like he said, but the entire Republican caucus has signed on with Trump policies that are just as wildly racist and vastly more damaging than President Shithole's shitty rhetoric.

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1 hour ago, Ormond said:

I think Trump's racism is intimately connected to his extreme narcissism. He isn't "traditionally" racist because he doesn't have an ideology about it -he just evaluates people he has no personal contact with in terms of how much similarity he sees between himself and them, with race probably being no more important than gender or income in his evaluation. He is "ignorant" of both racist and anti-racist intellectual arguments, like he is of almost everything else.

And if he has personal contact with you, his main evaluation is based mostly on whether you agree with him or praise him. 

I think his racism goes beyond utilitarian comparisons of like-ness. He clearly thinks in ugly stereotypes. He's called himself crazy for having a black accountant, should have hired a Jewish one. Also told an audience of Jewish Republicans that he wasn't going to make them uncomfortable by asking for money. Said all Haitians have AIDS. Refused to rent to black people in the 70s.

Very vividly, I remember the town hall style Presidential debate in 2016. A middle-aged black man in a three piece suit with a nice pocket square (Mrs. Gabriel complimented it) got up to ask a question about how he could be sure Trump would represent all Americans, and Trump went on a deranged rant about how miserable life is in the ghetto.

This is a man who thinks exclusively in grotesque stereotypes.

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Trump Puts the Purpose of His Presidency Into Words
The president’s remarks reflect a moral principle that has guided policy while in office, a principle obvious to all but that some refuse to articulate.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/trump/550454/

Trump’s Global Bigotry
His "shithole" remark reveals the motive behind his immigration policies.

https://newrepublic.com/article/146596/trumps-global-bigotry

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4 hours ago, DanteGabriel said:

I wonder if Dr. King had anything to say about comfortable people remaining silent in the face of racism...

 

2 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Because he's such a shit he could turn around and cancel the National Park status for King's birthplace?

Afterwards King's nephew was asked if he thought 45 was a racist, and he said no, not in the traditional sense, but that he was a racially ignorant man, and a few other things. I guess he was trying to be diplomatic. But really, I suspect they wanted the day to be a positive day in King's memory, not a shit slinging event.

I don't know what he meant by traditional - that he doesn't wear a white hood and carry a torch?

I was watching and it looked for all the world that Dr. King's nephew was going to say what he really thought there a couple of times.

The position that man was in this morning was unenviable to the n'th degree. If he condemns the president every Republican on earth claims he's sensationalising and disrespecting his own uncle. But Dr. King would have said something, I think.

Trump almost certainly wouldn't have signed the document if he'd said something (I wondered briefly if the gentleman would try to make a supplemental statement immediately after the signing) and we've seen before that he loves to defund.

But still, I think Dr. King would have said something. I cannot believe that the man would have let himself be held hostage like that, and I hate that his nephew was put in this position on this day (weekend).

35 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

I think his racism goes beyond utilitarian comparisons of like-ness. He clearly thinks in ugly stereotypes. He's called himself crazy for having a black accountant, should have hired a Jewish one. Also told an audience of Jewish Republicans that he wasn't going to make them uncomfortable by asking for money. Said all Haitians have AIDS. Refused to rent to black people in the 70s.

Very vividly, I remember the town hall style Presidential debate in 2016. A middle-aged black man in a three piece suit with a nice pocket square (Mrs. Gabriel complimented it) got up to ask a question about how he could be sure Trump would represent all Americans, and Trump went on a deranged rant about how miserable life is in the ghetto.

This is a man who thinks exclusively in grotesque stereotypes.

I remember that man myself, very nervous and as you say handsomely dressed. Immediately after the debate wasn't there a religious troll nutjob trying to say in here that his use of the word 'devotion' and its emphasis "How will you show your devotion to the American people"

was proof that Donald Trump was a gift from god or something?

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That’s it. I am going to judge Trump by the content of his character, not the color of his skin...could someone help me get this orange sheet off my shoe?

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The stock market is approaching 26,000.  I wonder if and when it will  reach the 30,000 mark ?

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1 hour ago, Pony Queen Jace said:

 

I was watching and it looked for all the world that Dr. King's nephew was going to say what he really thought there a couple of times.

The position that man was in this morning was unenviable to the n'th degree. If he condemns the president every Republican on earth claims he's sensationalising and disrespecting his own uncle. But Dr. King would have said something, I think.

Trump almost certainly wouldn't have signed the document if he'd said something (I wondered briefly if the gentleman would try to make a supplemental statement immediately after the signing) and we've seen before that he loves to defund.

But still, I think Dr. King would have said something. I cannot believe that the man would have let himself be held hostage like that, and I hate that his nephew was put in this position on this day (weekend).

I agree with you 100%, especially about the nephew looking like he wanted to say more.

And speaking of the common use of 'shithole', I just caught the end of Cast Away. Just before Tom Hanks casts off his raft to leave the island he tells Wilson that, yes, it was dangerous, but he wasn't going to stay and die on this shithole little island.

And in one of the last scenes, after he leaves Kelly, he goes to his friend's house and over a drink explains how he almost killed himself since it was the only thing he thought he had control of, Except he failed, and then he decided he had to continue to draw breath and carry on. And that even though he had lost Kelly again, the sun was going to come up tomorrow and he would continue to breath. And that seems like such a perfect damn metaphor for the US right now. You are cast away for 4 years, and you'll have to continue to take breaths and carry on even if it is a shithole you are currently living in.

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34 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

The stock market is approaching 26,000.  I wonder if and when it will  reach the 30,000 mark ?

soon man, soon. The market is still pricing in the effects of tax savings. 2018 is going to be great on the stock markets. Put off those big purchases until 2019. 

 

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38 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said:

The stock market is approaching 26,000.  I wonder if and when it will  reach the 30,000 mark ?

I wonder if that guy who sold a bunch of books around 1999 saying the Dow was about to hit 40,000 will re-emerge to claim credit.

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9 minutes ago, Frog Eater said:

soon man, soon. The market is still pricing in the effects of tax savings. 2018 is going to be great on the stock markets. Put off those big purchases until 2019. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Triskele said:

I wonder if that guy who sold a bunch of books around 1999 saying the Dow was about to hit 40,000 will re-emerge to claim credit.

Im thinking  that at some point there has to be some kind of market correction.  What goes up inevitably has to come down. 

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On 1/12/2018 at 9:49 PM, Triskele said:

I wonder if that guy who sold a bunch of books around 1999 saying the Dow was about to hit 40,000 will re-emerge to claim credit.

Don't forget about "Dow 36,000" Kevin Hassett, adviser to the Orange Clown.

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2 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

I agree with you 100%, especially about the nephew looking like he wanted to say more.

And speaking of the common use of 'shithole', I just caught the end of Cast Away. Just before Tom Hanks casts off his raft to leave the island he tells Wilson that, yes, it was dangerous, but he wasn't going to stay and die on this shithole little island.

And in one of the last scenes, after he leaves Kelly, he goes to his friend's house and over a drink explains how he almost killed himself since it was the only thing he thought he had control of, Except he failed, and then he decided he had to continue to draw breath and carry on. And that even though he had lost Kelly again, the sun was going to come up tomorrow and he would continue to breath. And that seems like such a perfect damn metaphor for the US right now. You are cast away for 4 years, and you'll have to continue to take breaths and carry on even if it is a shithole you are currently living in.

I am someone who almost never uses the s-word (or the f-word) in my everyday life, and find this vulgarity to be reprehensible.

However, the outrage about Trump's comment should not focus on the exact word he used. Using the vulgarity reinforces the contempt in his comment a bit, but it would have been at least 99% as bad if he had been more creative and said something like "disgusting filthy snakepits", which wouldn't have been vulgar but just as demeaning and racist. The contempt and hatred behind the comment are the problem, not the exact word, so the fact that you can find that word used by others in many places really shouldn't be very relevant to the discussion.

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2 hours ago, Ormond said:

I am someone who almost never uses the s-word (or the f-word) in my everyday life, and find this vulgarity to be reprehensible.

However, the outrage about Trump's comment should not focus on the exact word he used. Using the vulgarity reinforces the contempt in his comment a bit, but it would have been at least 99% as bad if he had been more creative and said something like "disgusting filthy snakepits", which wouldn't have been vulgar but just as demeaning and racist. The contempt and hatred behind the comment are the problem, not the exact word, so the fact that you can find that word used by others in many places really shouldn't be very relevant to the discussion.

It's not a word I use myself either. I just thought it was ironic to hear it used by Hank's character, together with the fact he was on the island for about 4 years, in view of what just happened with Trump. I've always liked that speech about breathing and carrying on. But also other people commented it was pretty commonly used term. It is indeed vulgar, but I find people who don't usually swear, who won't, for example, use the f word, will use the word shit. I bet Trump was surprised by the extent of the reaction to his comment. CNN quoted White House sources as saying he was really pleased.

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I personally think lying is much worse than vulgarity.  I also believe that misleading and oppressing other people is far worse than vulgarity. What does a nation more harm, the use of swear word, or relentless bigotry, deception and greed? Even Shakespeare uses blue language and jokes! But it takes an evil propagandist to lie about events and history.

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Mistakes..expansion

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