Bloodraven, Night's King and Last Hero

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Bloodraven, the Night’s King and the Last Hero.

 

**Warning, possible book spoilers. If you'd rather possibly not know end book type stuff, this may not be your thread. Just a friendly warning in consideration****

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

One was full of singers, enthroned like Brynden in nests of weirwood roots that wove under and through and around their bodies. 

 Bloodraven is he only human ever jacked in, the first and the last.

 

(Synopsis of theory:)

This will be an attempt to show Bloodraven as the Night’s King and the Last Hero. The First and the Last Greenseer of Men who is playing both sides to help end the war with the Others and save the war for the Dawn.

I will try to work through the clues that show this working through the clues in 13,  the legend and parallels with Stannis and Melisandre to Nissa Nissa and Azor Ahai, and how they connect to Jon Snow and Daenerys. How Bloodraven has woke the Sleepers and planning a never born baby between Daenerys and Jon Snow, that will be taken as a 2^nd life, and how an already dead alive Jon will have to kill Daenerys and their child to save mankind and end both the Valyrians and the Others.

All orchestrated by Bloodraven, Shiera Seastar, and their daughter, the Bleeding Star that would herald the coming of Azor Ahai and Dragons, Melisandre.

Ending with Edric Storm the New King, his hand, Devan Seaworth, and his new L.C of the K.G, Edric Dayne.

So let us begin.  

 

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

, the tale of Night's King. He had been the thirteenth man to lead the Night's Watch, A woman was his downfall; a woman glimpsed from atop the Wall, with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars. loved her, though her skin was cold as ice, and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well.

For thirteen years they had ruled, Night's King and his corpse queen, till finally the Stark of Winterfell and Joramun of the wildlings had joined to free the Watch from bondage. After his fall, when it was found he had been sacrificing to the Others, all records of Night's King had been destroyed, his very name forbidden.

 Bloodraven, Shiera Seastar, and Broken Brandon Stark with an alliance with Mance Rayder.

 

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

The Black Gate, Sam had called it, but it wasn't black at all.

It was white weirwood, and there was a face on it.

A glow came from the wood, like milk and moonlight, so faint it scarcely seemed to touch anything beyond the door itself, not even Sam standing right before it. The door opened its eyes.

"Who are you?" the door asked,

"I am the sword in the darkness," Samwell Tarly said. "I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers. I am the shield that guards the realms of men."

 So after telling the story of the Night's King

 

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A Game of Thrones - Jon VI

"Hear my words, and bear witness to my vow," they recited, their voices filling the twilit grove. "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."

 They pass the Blackgate to go North of the Wall.

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran I

Their cloaks were black. Like your hands." Coldhands said nothing. "Who are you? Why are your hands black?"

The ranger studied his hands as if he had never noticed them before. "Once the heart has ceased to beat, a man's blood runs down into his extremities, where it thickens and congeals." His voice rattled in his throat, as thin and gaunt as he was. "His hands and feet swell up and turn as black as pudding. The rest of him becomes as white as milk."

Meera Reed rose, her frog spear in her hand, a chunk of smoking meat still impaled upon its tines. "Show us your face."

The ranger made no move to obey.

"He's dead." Bran could taste the bile in his throat. "Meera, he's some dead thing. The monsters cannot pass so long as the Wall stands and the men of the Night's Watch stay true, that's what Old Nan used to say. He came to meet us at the Wall, but he could not pass. He sent Sam instead, with that wildling girl."

Meera's gloved hand tightened around the shaft of her frog spear. "Who sent you? Who is this three-eyed crow?"

"A friend. Dreamer, wizard, call him what you will. The last greenseer." The longhall's wooden door banged open. Outside, the night wind howled, bleak and black. The trees were full of ravens, screaming. Coldhands did not move.

"A monster," Bran said.

The ranger looked at Bran as if the rest of them did not exist. "Your monster, Brandon Stark."

 To meet the Last Greenseerer, Bloodraven, the Night's King.

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

Seated on his throne of roots in the great cavern, half-corpse and half-tree, Lord Brynden seemed less a man than some ghastly statue made of twisted wood, old bone, and rotted wool. The only thing that looked alive in the pale ruin that was his face was his one red eye, burning like the last coal in a dead fire, surrounded by twisted roots and tatters of leathery white skin hanging off a yellowed skull.

The sight of him still frightened Bran—the weirwood roots snaking in and out of his withered flesh, the mushrooms sprouting from his cheeks, the white wooden worm that grew from the socket where one eye had been. He liked it better when the torches were put out. In the dark he could pretend that it was the three-eyed crow who whispered to him and not some grisly talking corpse.

 A dead talking corpse

 

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Targaryen Kings: Aegon V

Bloodraven would rise to become Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in 239 AC, serving until his disappearance during a ranging beyond the Wall in 252 AC.

 

298th- Jon Snow         299-300ac     1yr

297th- Jeor Mormont   288-299ac     11 yrs

996th- Qorgyle            252-288ac      36 yrs  (Person of interest under the time of Roberts Rebellion and service of Mance.)

995th- Bloodraven      239-252ac       13 years...... wait a min.

994th- Sleepy Jack     226-239ac became known as from Jack Musgood after Raymund Redbeard King beyond the Wall snuck south

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Jon II

Those old histories are full of kings who reigned for hundreds of years, and knights riding around a thousand years before there were knights. You know the tales, Brandon the Builder, Symeon Star-Eyes, Night's King … we say that you're the nine-hundred-and-ninety-eighth LordCommander of the Night's Watch,

298th- Jon Snow         299-300ac     1yr

297th- Jeor Mormont   288-299ac     11 yrs

996th- Qorgyle            252-288ac      36 yrs  (Person of interest under the time of Roberts Rebellion and service of Mance.)

995th- Bloodraven      239-252ac       13 years...... wait a min.

994th- Sleepy Jack     226-239ac became known as from Jack Musgood after Raymund Redbeard King beyond the Wall snuck south

 

What is 9 + 9 - 5? 13

 I find it interesting that Bran mentions this story too just before passing beyond the Black Gate and possibly meeting the Night's King. The Last Greenseerer.

 

Another interesting thing.

1. Aegon I   

2 Aenys I

3 Maegor I

4 Jaehaerys I & Alysanne 1  who closed Night fort and changed watch                          1. Aegon

5 Viserys I                         2                                                                                              2. Maegor I, Aenys I

6 Aegon II                         3                                                                                               3 Jaehaerys I

7 Aegon III                        4                                                                                               4. Generation skipped over

8 Daeron I                         5                                                                                               4 Viserys I 

9 Baelor I                          6                                                                                               6 Aegon II

10 Viserys II                     7                                                                                               7 Viserys II, Aegon III

11 Aegon IV                     8                                                                                                8 Aegon IV Baelor I Daeron I

12 Daeron II                     9                                                                                                9 Daeron II

13 Aerys I                        10                                                                                              10 Aerys I, Maekar I

14 Maekar I                      11                                                                                              11 Aegon V

15 Aegon V                      12                                                                                               12 Jaeharerys

16 Jaehaerys II                13   The 2nd who wed his kids on word of woods witch            13. Aerys II

17 Aerys II         

 

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

of Night's King. He had been the thirteenth man to lead the Night's Watch,

For thirteen years they had ruled, Night's King and his corpse queen.

 

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Jon Snow, Jeor Mormont Historical Lord Commanders

1 Lord  Commander  Qorgyle 2 Brynden Rivers 3 Jack Musgood 4 Orbert Caswell, 5 Lord Commander Hoare. 6 Robin Hill, 7 Tristan Mudd 8  Marq Rankenfell, 9 Osric Stark 10 Lord Commander Crowl, 11 Rodrik Flint 12 Runcel Hightower, 13The Night's King,

 

Bloodraven, the 13^th L.C since Aegon or Jaehaerys the I. Who served for 13 years.

So what is going on? Why does GRRM seem to be calling our attention back to Aegon the Conqueror and Jaehaerys I

Well the histories would tell us one thing, though the clues would suggest something more.

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A Game of Thrones - Jon VIII

"They kept their pledge. When Aegon slew Black Harren and claimed his kingdom, Harren's brother was Lord Commander on the Wall, with ten thousand swords to hand. He did not march.

 

This would mean that Harren held the God’s Eye, and his unlisted brother would’ve held The Nightfort and the Black Gate.

                       Hawyn Hardhand

                                  I

                           Halleck Hoare 

                                 I

             I-----------------------------I                                                                    I--------------------I

        Hoare                           Harren the Black     vs  Aegon the     Torrehn Stark   Brother seen in vision

         Lord Commander        Holds the God's Eye     Conqueror              I              cutting an arrow

            at Nightfort                                                            I                           I             who offered his bro to

                                                                                           I                           I                  kill Aegon I

                                                                                     I-------------I                  I                 

                       Warrior’s Sons & Faith of 7 Vs     Aenys       Maegor      (Sons speak of rebellion)

                             (Harren the Red  Died       Reign 37 AC

                                  In 37 AC, at near                 - 42 A  I                                        I

                                  the Gods Eye)                I------------------------I                           I

 Bael the Bard               vs                      Jaehaerys              Alysanne         Ellard Stark

                                                                   (34-103)                 (36-99)           At council of 101

                                                      Reign 48 AC - 103 AC

Edit- If Alysanne is at least 13 at the time of Bael the Bard, then this happened no earlier that 49A, unless she was born early 36ac and she met bale was late 48ac? Babe was born in 49 Ac with the war 30 years later in 79 AC?

                                 

Queen Alysanne who closed the Nighttfort, they ended Lords First Night, they paid for Deep Lake castle but built Kings Road to Castle Black, and gave the New Gift to the Watch. While in the time of Bael the Bard

 

Bael & Queen Alyssane

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Targaryen Kings: Viserys I

That measure was not stringent enough, however, and as 128 ended and 129 began, Viserys was growing increasingly ill.

On the third day of the third moon of 129 AC, while entertaining Jaehaerys and Jaehaera from his bed with a tale of their great-great-grandsire and his queen battling giants, mammoths, and wildlings beyond the Wall, the king grew tired. 

Why was Jaehaerys I and Alysanne fighting Giants, Mammoths, and Wildlings north of the Wall? With Alysanne giving the Night’s Watch the New Gift, and closing the Night’s Fort? 

 

Ill tell you why, Bael the Bard and the Rose he plucked.

Here ill show you the clues that I think hint at a war on the wall in Jaehaerys’ time, in which Alysanne cheated on him.

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A Clash of Kings - Jon VI

Stonesnake gave a snort. "A murderer, robber, and raper, is what you mean."

"That's all in where you're standing too," Ygritte said. "The Stark in Winterfell wanted Bael's head, but never could take him, and the taste o' failure galled him. One day in his bitterness he called Bael a craven who preyed only on the weak. When word o' that got back, Bael vowed to teach the lord a lesson. So he scaled the Wall, skipped down the kingsroad, and walked into Winterfell one winter's night with harp in hand, naming himself Sygerrik of Skagos. Sygerrik means 'deceiver' in the Old Tongue, that the First Men spoke, and the giants still speak."

"North or south, singers always find a ready welcome, so Bael ate at Lord Stark's own table, and played for the lord in his high seat until half the night was gone. The old songs he played, and new ones he'd made himself, and he played and sang so well that when he was done, the lord offered to let him name his own reward. 'All I ask is a flower,' Bael answered, 'the fairest flower that blooms in the gardens o' Winterfell.'"

"Now as it happened the winter roses had only then come into bloom, and no flower is so rare nor precious. So the Stark sent to his glass gardens and commanded that the most beautiful o' the winter roses be plucked for the singer's payment. And so it was done. But when morning come, the singer had vanished . . . and so had Lord Brandon's maiden daughter. Her bed they found empty, but for the pale blue rose that Bael had left on the pillow where her head had lain."

Jon had never heard this tale before. "Which Brandon was this supposed to be? Brandon the Builder lived in the Age of Heroes, thousands of years before Bael. There was Brandon the Burner and his father Brandon the Shipwright, but—"

"This was Brandon the Daughterless," Ygritte said sharply. "Would you hear the tale, or no?"

He scowled. "Go on."

"Lord Brandon had no other children. At his behest, the black crows flew forth from their castles in the hundreds, but nowhere could they find any sign o' Baelor this maid. For most a year they searched, till the lord lost heart and took to his bed, and it seemed as though the line o' Starks was at its end. But one night as he lay waiting to die, Lord Brandon heard a child's cry. He followed the sound and found his daughter back in her bedchamber, asleep with a babe at her breast."

"Bael had brought her back?"

"No. They had been in Winterfell all the time, hiding with the dead beneath the castle. The maid loved Bael so dearly she bore him a son, the song says . . . though if truth be told, all the maids love Bael in them songs he wrote. Be that as it may, what's certain is that Bael left the child in payment for the rose he'd plucked unasked, and that the boy grew to be the next Lord Stark. So there it is—you have Bael's blood in you, same as me."

"It never happened," Jon said.

She shrugged. "Might be it did, might be it didn't. It is a good song, though. My mother used to sing it to me. She was a woman too, Jon Snow. Like yours." She rubbed her throat where his dirk had cut her. "The song ends when they find the babe, but there is a darker end to the story. Thirty years later, when Bael was King-beyond-the-Wall and led the free folk south, it was young Lord Stark who met him at the Frozen Ford . . . and killed him, for Bael would not harm his own son when they met sword to sword."

"So the son slew the father instead," said Jon.

"Aye," she said, "but the gods hate kinslayers, even when they kill unknowing. When Lord Stark returned from the battle and his mother saw Bael's head upon his spear, she threw herself from a tower in her grief. Her son did not long outlive her. One o' his lords peeled the skin off him and wore him for a cloak."

"Your Bael was a liar," he told her, certain now.

 

And yet, Jon knows nothing. The Boltons never gave it up. Further, like the faceless men, they are balancing the death life ratio.

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A Storm of Swords - Jon III

Jon sat up. "Ygritte, I never stole you."

"Aye, you did. You jumped down the mountain and killed Orell, and afore I could get my axe you had a knife at my throat. I thought you'd have me then, or kill me, or maybe both, but you never did. And when I told you the tale o' Bael the Bard and how he plucked the rose o' Winterfell, I thought you'd know to pluck me then for certain, but you didn't. You know nothing, Jon Snow." She gave him a shy smile. "You might be learning some, though."

 

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Wall and Beyond: The Wildlings

After him, centuries later, came Bael the Bard, whose songs are still sung beyond the Wall...but there are questions as to whether he truly existed or not. The wildlings say he did and credit many songs to his name, but the old chronicles of Winterfell say nothing of him. Whether this was due to the defeats and humiliations he was said to have visited upon them (including, according to one improbable story, deflowering a Stark maid and getting her with child) or because he never existed, we cannot truly say.

 

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As both Brandon and his grandson are given the title "Lord" instead of "King" this seems to indicate that the disappearance of Brandon's daughter took place after the Starks had given up their kingship during Aegon's Conquest.^[3] Additionally, the Kingsroad is mentioned, implying it took place during or after the reign of Jaehaerys I Targaryen, during whose reign the Kingsroad was build.^[4]

 

So there was a war in the North between The Starks and the King Beyond the Wall, in which the Stark was fighting his father unknowingly and way flayed by a Bolton for breaking Kin Slaying laws. At the earliest it could have happened was under King Jaehaerys?

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Targaryen Kings: Viserys I

That measure was not stringent enough, however, and as 128 ended and 129 began, Viserys was growing increasingly ill.

On the third day of the third moon of 129 AC, while entertaining Jaehaerys and Jaehaera from his bed with a tale of their great-great-grandsire and his queen battling giants, mammoths, and wildlings beyond the Wall, the king grew tired. 

Why was Jaehaerys I and Alysanne fighting Giants, Mammoths, and Wildlings north of the Wall? With Alysanne giving the Night’s Watch the New Gift, and closing the Night’s Fort? 

 

Could it be possible that Jaehaerys and Alysanne took part in this war with their Dragons?

Which Stark was it and what happened?

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The World of Ice and Fire - The North: The Lords of Winterfell

Though Torrhen Stark had given up the ancient crown of the Kings of Winter, his sons were less glad of the Targaryen yoke, and some among them entertained talk of rebelling, and of raising the Stark banner whether Lord Torrhen consented or not.

 

We Know who was king around the time of Jaehaery’s death. So Ellard Stark im guessing is the son who was flayed by a Bolton? Or the Stark who took over after that.

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Ellard Stark was a Lord of Winterfell and head of House Stark during the reign of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen.

 

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History

At the Great Council of 101 AC, Ellard supported first Rhaenys Targaryen^[3] and then her son, Laenor Velaryon.^[1]This may have been because House Stark was angry with King Jaehaerys I Targaryen for earlier transferring the New Gift from northern control to the Night's Watch.^[2] Prince Viserys Targaryen, Rhaenys's cousin, was chosen by the assembled lords as the new heir, however.

 

The Next Stark Lords in the Tree go in chronological order, Benjen, Rickon, and Cregan who fought in the Dance of the Dragons.

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Behind the Scenes

Earlier prints of The World of Ice & Fire state that Lord Ellard Stark was the lord who had been forced to give up the lands that would become known as the New Gift.^[2] However, it has been confirmed that this is an error,^[4] and that the statement would be replaced by "the Starks were glad" in later prints, leaving it unknown for the time being which Stark had been the lord in question

 

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A Storm of Swords - Daenerys I

"Balerion the Black Dread was two hundred years old when he died during the reign of Jaehaerys the Conciliator.

I wonder if Balerion took part In the Battle. I like to think Aegon and Maegor took their second life in Balerion.

 

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All About Birth Crowning - Parents Magazine

"Once you can see the head and it doesn't slip back in, that's crowning," 

 

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A Storm of Swords - Jon V

Across the lake, the tower was black again, a dim shape dimly seen. "A queen lived there?" asked Ygritte.

"A queen stayed there for a night." Old Nan had told him the story, but Maester Luwin had confirmed most of it. "Alysanne, the wife of King Jaehaerys the Conciliator. He's called the Old King because he reigned so long, but he was young when he first came to the Iron Throne. In those days, it was his wont to travel all over the realm. When he came to Winterfell, he brought his queen, six dragons, and half his court. The king had matters to discuss with his Warden of the North, and Alysanne grew bored, so she mounted her dragon Silverwing and flew north to see the Wall. This village was one of the places where she stopped. Afterward the smallfolk painted the top of their holdfast to look like the golden crown she'd worn when she spent the night among them."

"I have never seen a dragon."

 

Could Bael have actually slept with Alysanne???

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A Feast for Crows - Samwell I

There were dragons here two hundred years ago, Sam found himself thinking, as he watched the cage making a slow descent. They would just have flown to the top of the Wall. Queen Alysanne had visited Castle Black on her dragon, and Jaehaerys, her king, had come after her on his own. Could Silverwing have left an egg behind? 

Came after her for war with the King beyond the Wall?

 

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A Feast for Crows - Jaime IV

"The new High Septon has revived them. He's sent out a call for worthy knights to pledge their lives and swords to the service of the Seven. The Poor Fellows are to be restored as well."

"Why would the Iron Throne allow that?" One of the early Targaryen kings had fought for years to suppress the two military orders, Jaime recalled, though he did not remember which. Maegor, perhaps, or the first Jaehaerys.

 

Maegor, Aenys, and Jaehaerys who ended it. Which is interesting to consider also. A religious war in the south with the Warrior’s sons who have been disbanded since then. Which ened possibly around the time of the War at the Wall that Jaehaerys also possibly was involved in.

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A Feast for Crows - Jaime V

And when Aegon died and the lords rose up against his sons, both orders were in the thick of that rebellion. The more pious lords supported them, and many of the smallfolk. King Maegor finally had to put a bounty on them. He paid a dragon for the head of any unrepentant Warrior's Son, and a silver stag for the scalp of a Poor Fellow, if I recall my history. Thousands were slain, but nigh as many still roamed the realm, defiant, until the Iron Throne slew Maegor and King Jaehaerys agreed to pardon all those who would set aside their swords."

 

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A Feast for Crows - Cersei X

The High Sparrow steepled his thin hands. "I have had the selfsame thought, Your Grace. Just as Maegor the Cruel once took the swords from the Faith, so Jaehaerys the Conciliator deprived us of the scales of judgment.

 

So the Faith and Jaehaerys were definitely at odds.

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A Dance with Dragons - Tyrion IV

He was less hopeful concerning Septon Barth's Dragons, Wyrms, and Wyverns: Their Unnatural History. Barth had been a blacksmith's son who rose to be King's Hand during the reign of Jaehaerys the Conciliator. His enemies always claimed he was more sorcerer than septon. Baelor the Blessed had ordered all Barth's writings destroyed when he came to the Iron Throne. Ten years ago, Tyrion had read a fragment of Unnatural History that had eluded the Blessed Baelor, but he doubted that any of Barth's work had found its way across the narrow sea. And of course there was even less chance of his coming on the fragmentary, anonymous, blood-soaked tome sometimes called Blood and Fire and sometimes The Death of Dragons, the only surviving copy of which was supposedly hidden away in a locked vault beneath the Citadel.

 

So Sorceror Septon Barth of the Faith, took notes on Dragons, that are now locked away at the citadel.

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A Dance with Dragons - Reek III

. Such was my due. The maesters will tell you that King Jaehaerys abolished the lord's right to the first night to appease his shrewish queen, but where the old gods rule, old customs linger. The Umbers keep the first night too, deny it as they may. Certain of the mountain clans as well, and on Skagos … well, only heart trees ever see half of what they do on Skagos.

And why would Jaehaerys be opposed to Bride Stealing? 

 

Since when was Jaehaerys reckoned weak? Oh, when someone stole his wife.

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A Storm of Swords - Jon V

"Queen Alysanne, you say?"

"Good Queen Alysanne, they called her later. One of the castles on the Wall was named for her as well. Queensgate. Before her visit they called it Snowgate."

 

Who were they? They called her Good Queen Alysanne after. Are they, the Citidel and Septons who have hid this all from the records?

 

 Bael and the Queen would have met when both were young as both would be of an age with each other respectively. 

They would hook up, she would hang out up there, maybe around Queen's Crown (Birthing imagery much?), she would yes, give up the child to the Starks to hide likely so her husband didn't flip. Cause she's not likely gonna be allowed to bring that bastard home in the political atmosphere of the south. She then returns to the South and 30 years past roughly (roughly, Ygritte could be off by a couple years give or take).

Then 30 years later, when Bael has become King beyond the Wall some time in his 50s? He faces off against his 30 year old son. In the war that Jaehaerys now comes North for (as he came after her).

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Targaryen Kings: Jaehaerys I

For forty-six years, the Old King and Good Queen Alysanne were wed, and for the most part it was a happy marriage, with children and grandchildren aplenty.

Two estrangements are recorded, but they did not last more than a year or two before the pair resumed their customary friendship. The Second Quarrel, however, is of note, as it was due to Jaehaerys's decision in 92 AC to pass over his granddaughter Rhaenys—the daughter of his deceased eldest son and heir, Prince Aemon—in favor of bestowing Dragonstone and the place of heir apparent on his next eldest son, Baelon the Brave. Alysanne saw no reason why a man should be favored over a woman...and if Jaehaerys thought women of less use, then he would have no need of her. They reconciled in time, but the Old King outlived his beloved queen, and in his last years it was said that the grief of their parting hung over his court like a pall.

So what ever that first quarrel was, it happened earlier in their relationship

 I think some of the current narratives are meant to clue us in, and suspect maybe the Starks adopted said baby for Alysanne (The Dragon Egg left). So it wasn't a Stark by blood but if he mated with a sister before dying, then he would have mixed Bael and Targ blood into House Stark.

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

Bran's throat was very dry. He swallowed. "Winterfell. I was back in Winterfell. I saw my father. He's not dead, he's not, I saw him, he's back at Winterfell, he's still alive."

"No," said Leaf. "He is gone, boy. Do not seek to call him back from death."

"I saw him." Bran could feel rough wood pressing against one cheek. "He was cleaning Ice."

"You saw what you wished to see. Your heart yearns for your father and your home, so that is what you saw."

Quick Note. Why is there wood pressing into Bran's Cheek suddenly???? O.o

Bran then, is done with the Tree, and goes to lay down and wait for Meera and Jojen. Then something really interesting happens. He begins to time travel through vision,  without the Tree…

. He had hoped that Meera and Jojen would be there, so he could tell them what he had seen, but their snug alcove in the rock was cold and empty. Hodor eased Bran down onto his bed, covered him with furs, and made a fire for them. A thousand eyes, a hundred skins, wisdom deep as the roots of ancient trees.

Watching the flames, Bran decided he would stay awake till Meera came back. Jojen would be unhappy, he knew, but Meera would be glad for him, He did not remember closing his eyes.

 

… but then somehow he was back at Winterfell again, in the godswood looking down upon his father. Lord Eddard seemed much younger this time. His hairwas brown, with no hint of grey in it, his head bowed. "… let them grow up close as brothers, with only love between them," he prayed, "and let my lady wifefind it in her heart to forgive …"

"Father." Bran's voice was a whisper in the wind, a rustle in the leaves. "Father, it's me. It's Bran. Brandon."

 

Eddard Stark resumed his prayer. Bran felt his eyes fill up with tears. But were they his own tears, or the weirwood's? If I cry, will the tree begin to weep?

The rest of his father's words were drowned out by a sudden clatter of wood on wood. Eddard Stark dissolved, like mist in a morning sun. Now two children danced across the godswood, hooting at one another as they dueled with broken branches. The girl was the older and taller of the two. Arya! Bran thought eagerly, as he watched her leap up onto a rock and cut at the boy. But that couldn't be right. If the girl was Arya, the boy was Bran himself, and he had never worn his hair so long. And Arya never beat me playing swords, the way that girl is beating him. She slashed the boy across his thigh, so hard that his leg went out from under him and he fell into the pool and began to splash and shout. "You be quiet, stupid," the girl said, tossing her own branch aside. "It's just water. Do you want Old Nan to hear and run tell Father?" She knelt and pulled her brother from the pool, but before she got him out again, the two of them were gone.

After that the glimpses came faster and faster, till Bran was feeling lost and dizzy. He saw no more of his father, nor the girl who looked like Arya, but a woman heavy with child emerged naked and dripping from the black pool, knelt before the tree, and begged the old gods for a son who would avenge her. Then there came a brown-haired girl slender as a spear who stood on the tips of her toes to kiss the lips of a young knight as tall as Hodor. A dark-eyed youth, pale and fierce, sliced three branches off the weirwood and shaped them into arrows. The tree itself was shrinking, growing smaller with each vision, whilst the lesser trees dwindled into saplings and vanished, only to be replaced by other trees that would dwindle and vanish in their turn. And now the lords Bran glimpsed were tall and hard, stern men in fur and chain mail. Some wore faces he remembered from the statues in the crypts, but they were gone before he could put a name to them.

Wait, did Bran just time travel in visions without the Trees????? I should point out that Bran dozes off or goes into a trance while watching the flames, something that Melisandre does. Who even see's Bran in her fires. Could she be seeing him in this moment? Like they were a two way mirror of sorts? Almost like the Glass Candles and how they may possibly work? 

Then, as he watched, a bearded man forced a captive down onto his knees before the heart tree. A white-haired woman stepped toward them through a drift of dark red leaves, a bronze sickle in her hand.

"No," said Bran, "no, don't," but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat, and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth … but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.

 

 Did Bran see Good Queen Alysanne already?

 

So now lets back up to Bloodraven and Bran Stark and see what’s going on here. What is Bloodraven up to?

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A Game of Thrones - Bran IV

"Now these were the days before the Andals came, and long before the women fled across the narrow sea from the cities of the Rhoyne, and the hundred kingdoms of those times were the kingdoms of the First Men, who had taken these lands from the children of the forest. Yet here and there in the fastness of the woods the children still lived in their wooden cities and hollow hills, and the faces in the trees kept watch. So as cold and death filled the earth, the last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a sword, a horse, a dog, and a dozen companions. For years he searched, until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the Others smelled the hot blood in him, and came silent on his trail, stalking him with packs of pale white spiders big as hounds—"

All Bran could think of was Old Nan's story of the Others and the last hero, hounded through the white woods by dead men and spiders big as hounds. He was afraid for a moment, until he remembered how that story ended. "The children will help him," he blurted, "the children of the forest!"

 

Bloodraven , who went North beyond the Wall and is supposedly trying to help Bran to save the world, and yet he is marked by the number 13 in a lot of ways.  So is Bloodraven the good guy? Or is he the bad guy?

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

One was full of singers, enthroned like Brynden in nests of weirwood roots that wove under and through and around their bodies.

  

He is the only human jacked in, the First and the Last. Which will bring us back to Hodor-Cold Hands, and time travel.

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

Bran's throat was very dry. He swallowed. "Winterfell. I was back in Winterfell. I saw my father. He's not dead, he's not, I saw him, he's back at Winterfell, he's still alive."

"No," said Leaf. "He is gone, boy. Do not seek to call him back from death."

"I saw him." Bran could feel rough wood pressing against one cheek. "He was cleaning Ice."

"You saw what you wished to see. Your heart yearns for your father and your home, so that is what you saw."

"A man must know how to look before he can hope to see," said Lord Brynden. "Those were shadows of days past that you saw, Bran. You were lookingthrough the eyes of the heart tree in your godswood. Time is different for a tree than for a man. Sun and soil and water, these are the things a weirwoodunderstands, not days and years and centuries. For men, time is a river. We are trapped in its flow, hurtling from past to present, always in the same direction. The lives of trees are different. They root and grow and die in one place, and that river does not move them. The oak is the acorn, the acorn is the oak. And the weirwood … a thousand human years are a moment to a weirwood, and through such gates you and I may gaze into the past."

"But," said Bran, "he heard me."

"He heard a whisper on the wind, a rustling amongst the leaves. You cannot speak to him, try as you might. I know. I have my own ghosts, Bran. A brother that I loved, a brother that I hated, a woman I desired. Through the trees, I see them still, but no word of mine has ever reached them. The past remains the past. We can learn from it, but we cannot change it."

"Will I see my father again?"

 Now Bran is not the only person to try to go back and change something by talking to people in the past.

 

Which brings us to Hodor. Hold the Door.

Now I won’t say much about this other than apparently this has been out for a while and props to the guy that figured that out. Though we still don’t know how exactly this is gonna happen in the books.  Which Is why I will skip this mostly other than a couple quick points or ideas.

 

Bloodraven- Essentially crippled and can’t move. Needs Cold Hands to be his errand boy

Brandon Stark- Is Crippled and can’t move. Needs Cold Hands to be his errand boy.

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

"No," said Leaf. "He is gone, boy. Do not seek to call him back from death."

I know. I have my own ghosts, Bran. A brother that I loved, a brother that I hated, a woman I desired. We can learn from it, but we cannot change it."

 Ive always come to understand this as Bloodraven having learned the hard way too. Going back and possibly trying to change things to do with his brother and his sister. Then it hit me.

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

One was full of singers, enthroned like Brynden in nests of weirwood roots that wove under and through and around their bodies.

 Why is there no other human jacked into the Tree? Cause there was no other human.

Why does Bloodraven seem to be the Last Hero, and the Night’s King? Because he is.

 

Now I wont go into how the Others were created just yet but suffice to say. The Others and the Valyrians both come from the same family line, that of the Valyrians. But it does have to do with a curse back then, and i believe Bloodraven got stuck in the person who was cursed, as the person cursed was Garth-Ygg- the Pale Demon Tree that Bloodraven is jacked into.

 

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The World of Ice and Fire - The North

 curse was placed on the Great Barrow that would allow no living man to rival the First King. This curse made these pretenders to the title grow corpselike in their appearance as it sucked away their vitality and life. This is no more than legend, to be sure, but that the Dustins share blood and descent from the Barrow Kings of old seems sure enough.

Which is why cold hands has black eyes, he is not Valyrian as the Others are. So he does not have blue or purple eyes.

  

The Others seem an unstoppable force though right? Not really, not totally. They can sleep.

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

The Black Gate, Sam had called it, but it wasn't black at all.

It was white weirwood, and there was a face on it.

A glow came from the wood, like milk and moonlight, so faint it scarcely seemed to touch anything beyond the door itself, not even Sam standing right before it. The door opened its eyes.

"Who are you?" the door asked,

"I am the sword in the darkness," Samwell Tarly said. "I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers. I am the shield that guards the realms of men."

 

The Sleepers?

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A Game of Thrones - Eddard VII

In the pale dawn light, the young knight looked as though he were sleeping. He had not been handsome, but death had smoothed his rough-hewn features and the silent sisters had dressed him in his best velvet tunic, with a high collar to cover the ruin the lance had made of his throat.

 

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A Clash of Kings - Jon V

The call came drifting through the black of night. Jon pushed himself onto an elbow, his hand reaching for Longclaw by force of habit as the camp began to stir. The horn that wakes the sleepers, he thought.

 

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A Clash of Kings - Bran VI

It brought him to his feet. His ears pricked and his tail rose. He howled, a long deep shivery cry, a howl to wake the sleepers, but the piles of man-rock were dark and dead. 

 

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A Clash of Kings - Jon III

"Aye, and long before them came the Horned Lord and the brother kings Gendel and Gorne, and in ancient days Joramun, who blew the Horn of Winter and woke giants from the earth.

 

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

He brought her back to the Nightfort and proclaimed her a queen and himself her king, and with strange sorceries he bound his Sworn Brothers to his will. For thirteen years they had ruled, Night's King and his corpse queen, till finally the Stark of Winterfell and Joramun of the wildlings had joined to free the Watch from bondage.

 

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A Storm of Swords - Jon X

A warhorn, a bloody great warhorn.

"Yes," Mance said. "The Horn of Winter, that Joramun once blew to wake giants from the earth."

 

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A Storm of Swords - Jon X

"Did you think only crows could lie? I liked you well enough, for a bastard . . . but I never trusted you. A man needs to earn my trust."

Jon faced him. "If you've had the Horn of Joramun all along, why haven't you used it? Why bother building turtles and sending Thenns to kill us in our beds? If this horn is all the songs say, why not just sound it and be done?"

It was Dalla who answered him, Dalla great with child, lying on her pile of furs beside the brazier. "We free folk know things you kneelers have forgotten. Sometimes the short road is not the safest, Jon Snow. The Horned Lord once said that sorcery is a sword without a hilt. There is no safe way to grasp it."

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Jon III

"The Horn of Joramun?" Melisandre said. "No. Call it the Horn of Darkness. 

 

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Wall and Beyond: The Wildlings

The first King-Beyond-the-Wall, according to legend, was Joramun, who claimed to have a horn that would bring down the Wall when it woke "the giants from the earth." (That the Wall still stands says something of his claim, and perhaps even of his existence.)

The Sleepers are the Others, and Bloodraven woke them.

 

Bloodraven who is working both ends of the chain to bring both sides together so he can ultimately end the war as the Last Hero and Azor Ahai, who was and is the Nights King.

 

So lets look at Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa, of which will lead us into Stannis Baratheon  and Melisandre and their war for the Dawn, which will eventually take us to Jon Snow and Melisandre, which will eventually take us to Jon Snow, Daenerys, and their Never Born Child.  And how Bloodraven orchestrated it all.

 

Nissa Nissa, Azor Ahai, and Lightbringer:-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

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A Clash of Kings - Davos I

"Burnt," said Salladhor Saan, "and be glad of that, my friend. Do you know the tale of the forging of Lightbringer? I shall tell it to you. It was a time when darkness lay heavy on the world. To oppose it, the hero must have a hero's blade, oh, like none that had ever been. And so for thirty days and thirty nights Azor Ahai labored sleepless in the temple, forging a blade in the sacred fires. Heat and hammer and fold, heat and hammer and fold, oh, yes, until the sword was done. Yet when he plunged it into water to temper the steel it burst asunder.

"Being a hero, it was not for him to shrug and go in search of excellent grapes such as these, so again he began. The second time it took him fifty days and fifty nights, and this sword seemed even finer than the first. Azor Ahai captured a lion, to temper the blade by plunging it through the beast's red heart, but once more the steel shattered and split. Great was his woe and great was his sorrow then, for he knew what he must do.

"A hundred days and a hundred nights he labored on the third blade, and as it glowed white-hot in the sacred fires, he summoned his wife. 'Nissa Nissa,' he said to her, for that was her name, 'bare your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.' She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes.

 

He stabs her with a sword and the descriptions involved share similarities to another stabbing.

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A Storm of Swords - Samwell I

The wights had been slow clumsy things, but the Other was light as snow on the wind. It slid away from Paul's axe, armor rippling, and its crystal sword twisted and spun and slipped between the iron rings of Paul's mail, through leather and wool and bone and flesh. It came out his back with a hissssssssssss and Sam heard Paul say, "Oh," as he lost the axe. Impaled, his blood smoking around the sword, the big man tried to reach his killer with his hands and almost had before he fell. The weight of him tore the strange pale sword from the Other's grip.

Do it now. Stop crying and fight, you baby. Fight, craven. It was his father he heard, it was Alliser Thorne, it was his brother Dickon and the boy Rast. Craven, craven, craven. He giggled hysterically, wondering if they would make a wight of him, a huge fat white wight always tripping over its own dead feet. Do it, Sam. Was that Jon, now? Jon was dead. You can do it, you can, just do it. And then he was stumbling forward, falling more than running, really, closing his eyes and shoving the dagger blindly out before him with both hands. He heard a crack, like the sound ice makes when it breaks beneath a man's foot, and then a screech so shrill and sharp that he went staggering backward with his hands over his muffled ears, and fell hard on his arse.

  When he opened his eyes the Other's armor was running down its legs in rivulets as pale blue blood hissed and steamed around the black dragonglass dagger in its throat. It reached down with two bone-white hands to pull out the knife, but where its fingers touched the obsidian they smoked.

 

We see the same word usage and opposition descriptions at play.

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A Clash of Kings - Davos II

Panting, she squatted and spread her legs. Blood ran down her thighs, black as ink. Her cry might have been agony or ecstasy or both. And Davos saw the crown of the child's head push its way out of her. Two arms wriggled free, grasping, black fingers coiling around Melisandre's straining thighs, pushing, until the whole of the shadow slid out into the world and rose taller than Davos, tall as the tunnel, towering above the boat. He had only an instant to look at it before it was gone, twisting between the bars of the portcullis and racing across the surface of the water, but that instant was long enough.

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Melisandre I

The red priestess shuddered. Blood trickled down her thigh, black and smoking. The fire was inside her, an agony, an ecstasy, filling her, searing her, transforming her. Shimmers of heat traced patterns on her skin, insistent as a lover's hand. Strange voices called to her from days long past. "Melony," she heard a woman cry. A man's voice called, "Lot Seven." She was weeping, and her tears were flame. And still she drank it in.

 

Though we know a union of Ice and Fire must happen, and that’s what I believe did happen. He stabbed her with a different kind of sword and produced dragons (Valyrians)

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A Dance with Dragons - The Turncloak

I am old now, a dried-up thing, too long a widow, but I still remember the look of my maiden's blood on his cock the night he claimed me. I think Brandon liked the sight as well. A bloody sword is a beautiful thing, yes. It hurt, but it was a sweet pain.

 

 Stannis Vs Renly = Shadow baby and murder, Battle of Dawn averted:----------------------------------

 

So here we’ll look at Melisandre’s role in this scene from ACOK and how it relates.

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A Clash of Kings - Catelyn III

Renly would be last to arrive. He had told her as much when she set out. He did not propose to mount his horse until he saw his brother well on his way. The first to arrive must wait on the other, and Renly would do no waiting. It is a sort of game kings play, she told herself. Well, she was no king, so she need not play it. Catelyn was practiced at waiting.

As he neared, she saw that Stannis wore a crown of red gold with points fashioned in the shape of flames. His belt was studded with garnets and yellow topaz, and a great square-cut ruby was set in the hilt of the sword he wore. Otherwise his dress was plain: studded leather jerkin over quilted doublet, worn boots, breeches of brown rough spun. The device on his sun-yellow banner showed a red heart surrounded by a blaze of orange fire. The crowned stag was there, yes . . . shrunken and enclosed within the heart. Even more curious was his standard bearer—a woman, garbed all in reds, face shadowed within the deep hood of her scarlet cloak. A red priestess, Catelyn thought, wondering. The sect was numerous and powerful in the Free Cities and the distant east, but there were few in the Seven Kingdoms.

"Lady Stark," Stannis Baratheon said with chill courtesy as he reined up. He inclined his head, balder than she remembered.

 

 Stannis on the side of Fire facing off against his brother

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A Clash of Kings - Catelyn III 

"And brothers," a cheerful voice called out behind her. Catelyn glanced over her shoulder as Lord Renly's palfrey picked her way through the stumps. The younger Baratheon was splendid in his green velvet doublet and satin cloak trimmed in vair. The crown of golden roses girded his temples, jade stag's head rising over his forehead, long black hair spilling out beneath. Jagged chunks of black diamond studded his swordbelt, and a chain of gold and emeralds looped around his neck.

Renly had chosen a woman to carry his banner as well, though Brienne hid face and form behind plate armor that gave no hint of her sex. Atop her twelve-foot lance, the crowned stag pranced black-on-gold as the wind off the sea rippled the cloth.

His brother's greeting was curt. "Lord Renly."

 

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Clash of Kings - Catelyn II

The crowned stag decorated the king's green velvet tunic as well, worked in gold thread upon his chest; the Baratheon sigil in the colors of Highgarden. The girl who shared the high seat with him was also of Highgarden: his young queen, Margaery, daughter to Lord Mace Tyrell. Their marriage was the mortar that held the great southron alliance together, Catelyn knew. Renly was one-and-twenty, the girl no older than Robb, very pretty, with a doe's soft eyes and a mane of curling brown hair that fell about her shoulders in lazy ringlets. Her smile was shy and sweet.

Out in the field, another man lost his seat to the knight in the rainbow-striped cloak, and the king shouted approval with the rest. "Loras!" she heard him call. "Loras! Highgarden!" The queen clapped her hands together in excitement.

Catelyn turned to see the end of it. Only four men were left in the fight now, and there was small doubt whom king and commons favored. She had never met Ser Loras Tyrell, but even in the distant north one heard tales of the prowess of the young Knight of Flowers. Ser Loras rode a tall white stallion in silver mail, and fought with a long-handled axe. A crest of golden roses ran down the center of his helm.

The blue knight charged into it. The stallions slammed together, the blunted axehead smashed against the scarred blue breastplate . . . but somehow the blue knight had the haft locked between steel-gauntleted fingers. He wrenched it from Ser Loras's hand, and suddenly the two were grappling mount-to-mount, and an instant later they were falling. As their horses pulled apart, they crashed to the ground with bone-jarring force. Loras Tyrell, on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact. The blue knight pulled a long dirk free and flicked open Tyrell's visor. The roar of the crowd was too loud for Catelyn to hear what Ser Loras said, but she saw the word form on his split, bloody lips. Yield.

 

Renly on the side of Ice.

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A Clash of Kings - Catelyn III

"We shall see, brother." Some of the light seemed to go out of the world when Stannis slid his sword back into its scabbard. "Come the dawn, we shall see."

 

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A Clash of Kings - Catelyn III

, "Mollen says it is to be battle at dawn."

 

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A Clash of Kings - Catelyn III

The songs said that Storm's End had been raised in ancient days by Durran, the first Storm King, who had won the love of the fair Elenei, daughter of the sea god and the goddess of the wind. On the night of their wedding, Elenei had yielded her maidenhood to a mortal's love and thus doomed herself to a mortal's death, and her grieving parents had unleashed their wrath and sent the winds and waters to batter down Durran's hold. His friends and brothers and wedding guests were crushed beneath collapsing walls or blown out to sea, but Elenei sheltered Durran within her arms so he took no harm, and when the dawn came at last he declared war upon the gods and vowed to rebuild.

 

Come the Dawn, comes war, unless it can be prevented. A conception and a birth see’s that the war is prevented.

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A Clash of Kings - Davos II

Panting, she squatted and spread her legs. Blood ran down her thighs, black as ink. Her cry might have been agony or ecstasy or both. And Davos saw the crown of the child's head push its way out of her. Two arms wriggled free, grasping, black fingers coiling around Melisandre's straining thighs, pushing, until the whole of the shadow slid out into the world and rose taller than Davos, tall as the tunnel, towering above the boat. He had only an instant to look at it before it was gone, twisting between the bars of the portcullis and racing across the surface of the water, but that instant was long enough.

 

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A Clash of Kings - Davos II

. Now that Stannis Baratheon had come into his power, the lordlings buzzed around him like flies round a corpse. He looks half a corpse too, years older than when I left Dragonstone. Devan said the king scarcely slept of late. "Since Lord Renly died, he has been troubled by terrible nightmares," the boy had confided to his father. "Maester's potions do not touch them. Only the Lady Melisandre can soothe him to sleep."

Is that why she shares his pavilion now? Davos wondered. To pray with him? Or does she have another way to soothe him to sleep? It was an unworthy question, and one he dared not ask, even of his own son. Devan was a good boy, but he wore the flaming heart proudly on his doublet, and his father had seen him at the nightfires as dusk fell, beseeching the Lord of Light to bring the dawn. He is the king's squire, he told himself, it is only to be expected that he would take the king's god.

 By way of a shadow baby.

 

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A Storm of Swords - Davos III

"No." Perhaps he should have lied, and told her what she wanted to hear, but Davos was too accustomed to speaking truth. "You are the mother of darkness. I saw that under Storm's End, when you gave birth before my eyes."

"Is the brave Ser Onions so frightened of a passing shadow? Take heart, then. Shadows only live when given birth by light, and the king's fires burn so low I dare not draw off any more to make another son. It might well kill him." Melisandre moved closer. "With another man, though . . . a man whose flames still burn hot and high . . . if you truly wish to serve your king's cause, come to my chamber one night. I could give you pleasure such as you have never known, and with your life-fire I could make . . ."

". . . a horror." Davos retreated from her. "I want no part of you, my lady. Or your god. May the Seven protect me."

 To which she has drained the life out of Stannis effectively transforming him, as possibly, his fires are transforming her.

Note that Melisandre helps kill one brother Renly, with her shadow demon with the other brother, Stannis. The Act of making this shadow baby though, effectively drains Stannis to where he is the walking dead. She effectively wiped out both sides, and is already dead herself. This will come into the end picture.

So Melisandre has already fulfilled the role of Nissa Nissa. Well who is Melisandre?

 

Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Are Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar her parents?

 

Both were in love and it is possible that they had a kid together. “Melony Lot 7?” Ill come back to this.

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A Dance with Dragons - The Kingbreaker

.Bittersteel and Bloodraven both loved Shiera Seastar, and the Seven Kingdoms bled. 

  

Fire and Ice and Fertility.

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The Sworn Sword

"You've known queens and princesses. Did they dance with demons and practice the black arts?"

"Lady Shiera does. Lord Bloodraven's paramour. She bathes in blood to keep her beauty. And once my sister Rhae put a love potion in my drink, so I'd marry her instead of my sister Daella."

 

 Shiera bathed in blood like Mad Lothston to stay beautiful. Melisandre glamouring?

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SHIERA SEASTAR

[Note: The following continues GRRM's series of descriptions of notable Targaryens (and Targaryen bastards) for Amoka.]

Lady Shiera was the natural daughter of King Aegon IV by the ninth and last of his mistresses, Lady Serenei of Lys, the last daughter of an ancient but impoverished line of Valyrian nobility. "Sweet Serenei," Aegon called her, but about his court she was considered cold and haughty, and some said that she was much older than the king, and preserved her beauty by the practice of dark arts. Considered by many the most lovely of Aegon's mistresses, Sweet Serenei died in childbed, bringing forth the last of the king's "Great Bastards," the daughter she named Shiera, Star of the Sea.

Shiera was born with one dark blue eye and one bright green one, but the singers said that this flaw only accentuated her loveliness. She was the greatest beauty of her age, a slender and elegant woman, slim of waist and full of breast. She had the silver-gold hair of the Targaryens, thick and curling, and wore it very long. At some points in her life it fell well below her waist, almost to the back of her knees. She had a heart-shaped face, full lips, and her mismatched eyes were strangely large and full of mischief; her rivals said she used them to melt men's hearts. Even at an early age, she was a great reader. She spoke a dozen tongues and surrounded herself with ancient scrolls. Like her mother, she was reputed to practice the dark arts. Though she never wed, she had many offers, and several lovers through the years. Duels were fought over the right to sit beside her, men killed themselves after falling from her favor, poets outdid each other writing songs about her beauty. Her most ardent admirer was her half-brother, Bloodraven, who proposed marriage to her half a hundred times. Shiera gave him her bed, but never her hand. It amused her more to make him jealous.

As to how to paint her... she was fond of ivory and lace and cloth-of-silver (but not gold, which she considered too vulgar). Her favorite piece of jewelry was a heavy silver necklace of emeralds and star sapphires, alternating.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Shiera_Seastar

 

Note that Shiera is of Fire and Ice, hence her eyes and position of fertility to either brother.
Also she has a heart shaped face much the same as Melisandre and just as beautiful.

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

"I thought the greenseers were the wizards of the children," Bran said. "The singers, I mean."

"In a sense. Those you call the children of the forest have eyes as golden as the sun, but once in a great while one is born amongst them with eyes as red as blood, or green as the moss on a tree in the heart of the forest. By these signs do the gods mark those they have chosen to receive the gift. The chosen ones are not robust, and their quick years upon the earth are few, for every song must have its balance. But once inside the wood they linger long indeed. A thousand eyes, a hundred skins, wisdom deep as the roots of ancient trees. Greenseers."

  

Melisandre and her Red Eyes.

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A Dance with Dragons - Bran III

Seated on his throne of roots in the great cavern, half-corpse and half-tree, Lord Brynden seemed less a man than some ghastly statue made of twisted wood, old bone, and rotted wool. The only thing that looked alive in the pale ruin that was his face was his one red eye, burning like the last coal in a dead fire, surrounded by twisted roots and tatters of leathery white skin hanging off a yellowed skull.

 

Bloodraven and his red eye.

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A Dance with Dragons - Melisandre I

A face took shape within the hearth. Stannis? she thought, for just a moment … but no, these were not his features. A wooden face, corpse white. Was this the enemy? A thousand red eyes floated in the rising flames. He sees me. Beside him, a boy with a wolf's face threw back his head and howled.

 

 Does she not know her father after they became separated?

Bloodraven + Shiera SeaStar = The Bleeding Star that heralds the coming of Azor Ahai (Jon Snow, whom she must give the Last kiss?

How did they become separated? Could it have been after Bloodraven was arrested and banished to the Wall?

What ever became of Shiera after Bloodraven was arrested? “Melony Lot 7” Could they have been sold off then killed?

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

, the tale of Night's King. He had been the thirteenth man to lead the Night's Watch, A woman was his downfall; a woman glimpsed from atop the Wall, with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars. loved her, though her skin was cold as ice, and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well.

For thirteen years they had ruled, Night's King and his corpse queen, till finally the Stark of Winterfell and Joramun of the wildlings had joined to free the Watch from bondage. After his fall, when it was found he had been sacrificing to the Others, all records of Night's King had been destroyed, his very name forbidden.

Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar = Melisandre The Bleeding Star.

 

Now comes Jon and Melisandre

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A Storm of Swords - Arya VII

The red priest bowed his head. "It is R'hllor who brings you back, my lord. The Lord of Light. I am only his instrument."

"How many times?" Lord Beric insisted.

"Six," Thoros said reluctantly.

 

The Last Kiss

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A Dance with Dragons - Jon XIII

Then Bowen Marsh stood there before him, tears running down his cheeks. "For the Watch." He punched Jon in the belly. When he pulled his hand away, the dagger stayed where he had buried it.

Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold …

 

Jon, who dies and is need of the Last Kiss. Jon, who dies on Chapter 13…

 

So this is where we start building towards Bloodraven’s plan.

So Jon dies, and must be resurrected as Beric was. But jon will still be dead, as dead as Lady StoneHeart.

 

Now Daenerys’ arch has revolved around her birthing, inability to supposedly birth again, then getting her Moons Blood out in the Dothrakin Sea in her last chapter.

Tied together with Mirri Maz Dur’s prophecy. Then we have Daenerys’ womb getting ready for another potential child. One that would be born “the Stallion who Mounts the World.”

And our story is about Ice and Fire, Jon and Daenerys. Who have to come together and have a child as Azor Ahai, and Nissa Nissa did, and just as Stannis and Melisandre did to prevent the War at Dawn.

Now this is where we begin to talk about the “Never Born Child”, how the Others were created per a curse, and second lifes, coming back to Azor Ahai, and Nissa Nissa, who thrust his blade through Nissa Nissa killing her.

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The World of Ice and Fire - The North

 curse was placed on the Great Barrow that would allow no living man to rival the First King. This curse made these pretenders to the title grow corpselike in their appearance as it sucked away their vitality and life. This is no more than legend, to be sure, but that the Dustins share blood and descent from the Barrow Kings of old seems sure enough.

 

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Iron Islands: Driftwood Crowns

 The Grey King ruled the sea itself and took a mermaid to wife, so his sons and daughters might live above the waves or beneath them as they chose. His hair and beard and eyes were as grey as a winter sea, and from these he took his name.

Garth's son, who activates the curse by warring with the Children of the Forest and attacking his father, Ygg, the pale demon tree that fed on Human flesh. Who is part of the family of the Dawn that became the Other and the Valyrians.

So back to the Sleepers, and the Horn that can make them sleep, or wake them, but does not end them or break the cures. So how do you break the cures?

 

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A Dance with Dragons - Prologue

Varamyr could feel the snowflakes melting on his brow. This is not so bad as burning. Let me sleep and never wake, let me begin my second life. 

 

Let me begin my second life, in Jon and Daenerys’ “Never Born Child”. Whom Bloodraven is slowly orchestrating together. To bring together to fulfill their role as Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa, the Night’s King and the Corpse Queen.

And in that moment, a dead alive Jon, will find out from Bran or Melisandre somehow, that he must stab Daenerys and their “Never Born Child”

Effectively ending the last surviving members of House Targaryen and the Others. Melisandre and Bloodraven can finally go to their graves and rest knowing they helped win the war for the Dawn.

But all hope is not lost, for the future goes on and a new King will take the throne potentially, and he will name a new Lord Commander of his King’s Guard and he will appoint a new Hand of the King.

Remember those 13’s? and the Three Heads of the Dragon?

If you look back at Stannis, one of our Azor Ahai, Night’s King guys. From the year 300- 13years= 287Ac right?

 Born in 287ac is.

Edric Storm born – New King of Westeros

Devan SeaWorth born – His Hand of the King

Edric Dayne born – The New Lord Commander of the King’s Guard.

 

As always, I hope someone finds my crack pottery entertaining at the least :

[AlaskanSandman]

Note, Melisandre may be Shiera Seastar her self and may be Bloodraven's Corpse Queen. 

Though based on her vision and not recognizing Bloodraven as the Tree in the vision makes me lean more towards daughter.

[AlaskanSandman]

Also as new Lord Commander of the King's Guard to Edric Storm, Edric Dayne may also wield Dawn.

[AlaskanSandman]

I would like to know what exactly was happening between the Targaryen's and the Wall between Aegon I, Aeny I and Maegor I's war with the Faith, then Jaehaerys disbanding the Warrior's sons, taking part in a war at the Wall, closing the Night's Fort, and possibly changing their vows, and ending Lords Rights to first night. All the 13 hints all seem to point back to this time. 

This is weird as their is more history to their world and while i do think the time line is a little less than we're told, i do not think it started with Aegon I. So Martin is definitely drawing attention to these first 3 generations of the Targaryens. Any and all thoughts would be awesome

[AlaskanSandman]

It would appear that by the end of the story and the new three heads, it breaks the cycle of 2 brothers and a sister, or 2 sisters and a brother. Which is Ice Fertility and Fire. So thus, the three heads can not mingle directly with each other any more. The chain is broken. 

[AlaskanSandman]

If you look at the tree of events, especially House Hoare and their association to the Wall and the God's Eye. Then look at Harren the Red who dies at God's Eye, then Bael who dies at the wall but who's blood mixed with the Starks and Valyrians, is likely from House Hoare.

Edit- This war with Harren would have been during the reign of "Weak" Aenys I, while the battle at the wall was either during the reign of Maegor the "Cruel" or Jaehaerys I who actually disbanded the Faith Militant. 

So im open to suggestions on trying to pin down the rough date for this war at the wall. History seems to be slandering these people and hiding events and this would seem like a very good reason why.

[DJ Jazzy Joff]

Hello there, I've been following your topics as I think you have some interesting ideas, but I must confess:  I found this one hard to follow and on the side of fantastical, if I'm honest about it.

If I might offer a suggestion:   perhaps instead of manipulating the historical timeline so as to shoehorn current-day characters into those roles, instead explore the possibility that the current-day characters are reliving these roles of old in a new cycle that has begun again.     For instance, postulating that "Bael the Bard" lived post-conquest instead of untold centuries ago and had relations with a Targaryen queen feels forced, but could it be possible that the story of Bael is being retold in the history of Good Queen Alysanne, with some slight changes and different players?    Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven may not be the Night's King of ancient days, but could the original Night's King have served a similar purpose or played a similar part as Bloodraven plays today?

Martin has created a story of cyclical nature:  all that has happened before, has and will happen again.   You are on to something with regard to correlation of old figures to new, but you may be better served to keep that distinction between old and new while finding the similarities between the two.

Good luck; I look forward to reading more.  

[LiveFirstDieLater]

So I got a little lost and I’m still chewing on lots of it... but great work pulling together quotes and ideas.

Im particularly interested in the Queen Alysanne bit!

I think you might be onto something with the Bael the bard story. Her kid’s name is a nice touch too.

I especially liked the “Snowgate” became “Queensgate”, as it ties together the queen with a bastard, and at the same time could reasonably have been changed to honor/not offend Alysanne. This dovetails nicely with her abolishing of First Night.

I’m not sure about all the rest but I’ll come back when I’ve had a chance to digest

[LynnS]

29 minutes ago, DJ Jazzy Joff said:

If I might offer a suggestion:   perhaps instead of manipulating the historical timeline so as to shoehorn current-day characters into those roles, instead explore the possibility that the current-day characters are reliving these roles of old in a new cycle that has begun again.     For instance, postulating that "Bael the Bard" lived post-conquest instead of untold centuries ago and had relations with a Targaryen queen feels forced, but could it be possible that the story of Bael is being retold in the history of Good Queen Alysanne, with some slight changes and different players?    Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven may not be the Night's King of ancient days, but could the original Night's King have served a similar purpose or played a similar part as Bloodraven plays today?

I tend to think of BR as the god of the faceless men; him of many faces.  One in a long line of greenseers to fill that office.  I'm thinking Bran is meant to take his place; but I'm not sure that he will co-operate that far.

I say this because the kindly old man tests Arya with a facsimile of BR's face.  The skull covered with scraps of skin and the worm crawling through his blind eye.  In Bran's version, a weirwood root is crawling through BR's eye socket like a worm.

We're told that BR is the last greenseer; but clearly there are other greenseers.  The weirwood at Whitetree comes to mind directly north of the Black Gate and the Night Fort.  The face of the gate can be likened to a ghost face hung on a wall.

Then there is Coldhands who fits Arya's description of a grumkin.  He trades an oath of silence from Sam for the life Sam owes him in the death for life equation of the FM.

The stories of the NK have a flavor of the FM with the thing that comes in the night to the 'prentice boys; but never with the same face. They all die in the end except for Mad Axe and I wonder if they were given the test of a greenseer; fly or die.  

A variant of the story seems to be playing out with Jon, Bran and Arya - three 'prentice boys and Euron, Maddest Axe of them all. 

 

[Curled Finger]

WOW.  The symbolism squad is working overtime.   I do enjoy the weaving of parts of the story to others like Melisandre and Bloodraven, Bloodraven to the Kindly Man.   Like the initial posters, I need to read this 10 more times to really get a handle on it.   A lot of work has gone into this OP and it deserves more than a simple reply.  So much is tied together here.   What does the 13 signify in our story?  It's suspect that we don't actually hear of any of Bloodraven's deeds as LC of the Nights Watch.   Something is so not right with that.   The man effectively managed an entire realm during civil war.   This was not a no one--he was a big deal.  

There I go with simple reactions.   I will report back after 9 more read throughs and some note taking.   There is more than one discussion worthy topic here. 

[AlaskanSandman]

14 hours ago, DJ Jazzy Joff said:

Hello there, I've been following your topics as I think you have some interesting ideas, but I must confess:  I found this one hard to follow and on the side of fantastical, if I'm honest about it.

If I might offer a suggestion:   perhaps instead of manipulating the historical timeline so as to shoehorn current-day characters into those roles, instead explore the possibility that the current-day characters are reliving these roles of old in a new cycle that has begun again.     For instance, postulating that "Bael the Bard" lived post-conquest instead of untold centuries ago and had relations with a Targaryen queen feels forced, but could it be possible that the story of Bael is being retold in the history of Good Queen Alysanne, with some slight changes and different players?    Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven may not be the Night's King of ancient days, but could the original Night's King have served a similar purpose or played a similar part as Bloodraven plays today?

Martin has created a story of cyclical nature:  all that has happened before, has and will happen again.   You are on to something with regard to correlation of old figures to new, but you may be better served to keep that distinction between old and new while finding the similarities between the two.

Good luck; I look forward to reading more.  

Well firstly thank you very much!! Much appreciated to hear

And it might be, might be haha I try to follow the clues the best i can but it is alot of wily parts 

I definitely think they're are repeating archs and themes that aren't connected beyond that. Like Bael and Mance simply mirror each other and are not the same. Alot of it above though has alot to do with 13 and its connection pointing to things, people, events, deaths, etc. Jon, Bloodraven, the Night's King and Jaehaerys some how seem all tied to 13. 

Which i dont think Aegon was the start of time, i hoped i made that clear. Aegon didn't fight the og war for the Dawn. Though he may have fought one in the cycle, idk. But the clues seem to be calling attention to those times. 

Bloodraven also has elements of both good and bad about him so it would also explain his seeming duel nature along with Melisandre's.

Was a new theory though so i will definitely work to further flush it out and hopefully get further thoughts.

Thank you

[AlaskanSandman]

14 hours ago, LiveFirstDieLater said:

So I got a little lost and I’m still chewing on lots of it... but great work pulling together quotes and ideas.

Im particularly interested in the Queen Alysanne bit!

I think you might be onto something with the Bael the bard story. Her kid’s name is a nice touch too.

I especially liked the “Snowgate” became “Queensgate”, as it ties together the queen with a bastard, and at the same time could reasonably have been changed to honor/not offend Alysanne. This dovetails nicely with her abolishing of First Night.

I’m not sure about all the rest but I’ll come back when I’ve had a chance to digest

I did a separate thread just for Bael and the Queen but it tied to this story by way of the 13 references pointing back to that time. 

Which doesn't mean i think Bloodraven lived back then during Aegon I. Just that something else was happening in Aegon and Jaehaerys' time that we're supposed to notice.

And yea the bit about Bael and Jaehaerys i want to know more about hhahah i've always found him to be interesting but once i started noticing all this, i was kind of puzzled haha Didn't expect Martin to be hiding something like this

And please do and let me know any thoughts either way

[AlaskanSandman]

13 hours ago, LynnS said:

We're told that BR is the last greenseer; but clearly there are other greenseers.

But, Bloodraven is the only human in that cave strapped to a tree. Which i think i more than just a little telling

[AlaskanSandman]

12 hours ago, Curled Finger said:

WOW.  The symbolism squad is working overtime.   I do enjoy the weaving of parts of the story to others like Melisandre and Bloodraven, Bloodraven to the Kindly Man.   Like the initial posters, I need to read this 10 more times to really get a handle on it.   A lot of work has gone into this OP and it deserves more than a simple reply.  So much is tied together here.   What does the 13 signify in our story?  It's suspect that we don't actually hear of any of Bloodraven's deeds as LC of the Nights Watch.   Something is so not right with that.   The man effectively managed an entire realm during civil war.   This was not a no one--he was a big deal.  

There I go with simple reactions.   I will report back after 9 more read throughs and some note taking.   There is more than one discussion worthy topic here. 

Yea im finally turning my attention to other parts of the story that are bringing out some weird observations haha then once i start seeing something i start digging at it for more possible clues. Its just tough trying to figure out what is what. Bloodraven is supposed to be good but surrounded by death imagery and such, so things like this dont help haha

Absolutely, sorry they're all kind of long. I try to back everything with quotes to help show what im talking about.

[LynnS]

7 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

But, Bloodraven is the only human in that cave strapped to a tree. Which i think i more than just a little telling

What about the Black Gate?  That's a human face, a very old one, that sheds warm salty water?

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

A glow came from the wood, like milk and moonlight, so faint it scarcely seemed to touch anything beyond the door itself, not even Sam standing right before it. The face was old and pale, wrinkled and shrunken. It looks dead. Its mouth was closed, and its eyes; its cheeks were sunken, its brow withered, its chin sagging. If a man could live for a thousand years and never die but just grow older, his face might come to look like that.

The door is a mouth that opens to consume those who pass through.  Does that remind you of Whitetree directly north of the Night Fort?

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A Clash of Kings - Jon II

Whitetree, the village was named on Sam's old maps. Jon did not think it much of a village. Four tumbledown one-room houses of unmortared stone surrounded an empty sheepfold and a well. The houses were roofed with sod, the windows shuttered with ragged pieces of hide. And above them loomed the pale limbs and dark red leaves of a monstrous great weirwood.

It was the biggest tree Jon Snow had ever seen, the trunk near eight feet wide, the branches spreading so far that the entire village was shaded beneath their canopy. The size did not disturb him so much as the face . . . the mouth especially, no simple carved slash, but a jagged hollow large enough to swallow a sheep.

Mormont's raven telling everyone that the wildlings are gone, perching on the weirwood:

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A Clash of Kings - Jon II

Two of the hounds were sniffing around the door as they reemerged. Other dogs ranged through the village. Chett was cursing them loudly, his voice thick with the anger he never seemed to put aside. The light filtering through the red leaves of the weirwood made the boils on his face look even more inflamed than usual. When he saw Jon his eyes narrowed; there was no love lost between them.

The other houses had yielded no wisdom. "Gone," cried Mormont's raven, flapping up into the weirwood to perch above them. "Gone, gone, gone."

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A Clash of Kings - Jon II

Those are not sheep bones, though. Nor is that a sheep's skull in the ashes.

"An old tree." Mormont sat his horse, frowning. "Old," his raven agreed from his shoulder. "Old, old, old."

"And powerful." Jon could feel the power.

The strange weirwood at the Night Fort:

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A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

No, Bran thought, but he walked in this castle, where we'll sleep tonight. He did not like that notion very much at all. Night's King was only a man by light of day, Old Nan would always say, but the night was his to rule. And it's getting dark.

The Reeds decided that they would sleep in the kitchens, a stone octagon with a broken dome. It looked to offer better shelter than most of the other buildings, even though a crooked weirwood had burst up through the slate floor beside the huge central well, stretching slantwise toward the hole in the roof, its bone-white branches reaching for the sun. It was a queer kind of tree, skinnier than any other weirwood that Bran had ever seen and faceless as well, but it made him feel as if the old gods were with him here, at least.

 

A tree or a root?

[AlaskanSandman]

41 minutes ago, LynnS said:

What about the Black Gate?  That's a human face, a very old one, that sheds warm salty water?

The door is a mouth that opens to consume those who pass through.  Does that remind you of Whitetree directly north of the Night Fort?

Mormont's raven telling everyone that the wildlings are gone, perching on the weirwood:

The strange weirwood at the Night Fort:

A tree or a root?

Im working on another thread that talks more about the weirwoods, and Ygg-Garth.

Ygg was attacked by the Grey King and the Blackwoods tree attacked and poisoned by the Brackens (tie to grey king?). Now think Nagga and High Heart.

Nagga= 44 Weirwoods grove.

Hugor= 44 sons

Iron Islands=44

                     31 main group

                     13 Farwynd group (Farwynd color changing eyes, Eddard color changing eyes)

                      7 Largest Islands

Nagga= 44 poisoned dead, petrified trees, like that of the Blackwoods. Also in the River lands

High Heart = 31 Weirwood Grove cut down by the Andals. Andals vs First Men, Brackens vs Blackwoods.

Leaving over 7 and 13. 7 vs .3.

Blackwoods also happen to tie to Bloodraven who is tied to 13. 

Ygg said to feed on human flesh. He moved, Black gate is the only weirwood to move, other than the root pressing into Brans face from out of now where after his vision of his father. 

Feed on human flesh? Bloodraven, Greenseerers and their thrones. To which Bloodraven is the only human seen so far in the chair strapped into it. Other than children. No Giants. 

The Tree at Whitetree has an open mouth and so does the entry to the House of the Undying. Not sure if these are just metaphors for Garth and Greenseers or if the WhiteTree Weirwood moved too. 

Poisoning the tree also makes me think of Shade of the Evening and the Black barked blue trees in Essos and possibly the Blackwood the Blackwoods are named after. 

With 13 also tying to Bloodraven

Jon dying chapter Jon 13

Bran reaching Bloodraven's cave chapter 13. 

and all the 13's point back to Aegon I and Jaehaerys and Alyssane. Jaehaerys and Alyssane who closed the Nightfort and Black gate. With Aegon facing against Harren Black at god's Eye while his brother is L.C. at Nightfort. While Jaehaerys and Aenys faced Harren the Red descendant of Harren the Black and Bael the Bard, who we do not know who his father was, but that Hoare L.C. brother would not surprise me. Since Farwynds are connected by 13 and eye changing colors and so are Eddard Stark and the Starks to 13 and the Night's King. 

 

[LiveFirstDieLater]

9 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

I did a separate thread just for Bael and the Queen but it tied to this story by way of the 13 references pointing back to that time. 

Which doesn't mean i think Bloodraven lived back then during Aegon I. Just that something else was happening in Aegon and Jaehaerys' time that we're supposed to notice.

And yea the bit about Bael and Jaehaerys i want to know more about hhahah i've always found him to be interesting but once i started noticing all this, i was kind of puzzled haha Didn't expect Martin to be hiding something like this

And please do and let me know any thoughts either way

Ya so I’m not sure I’m on board with the whole theory here, but I do think you’ve noticed some interesting details.

In particular you’ve drawn my attention to Good Queen Alysanne and a possible Bael connection.

Im still stewing, but did you notice how Alysanne died soon after the death of her child?

PRINCESS GAEL (called the Winter Child)

---

Simple-minded but sweet, Gael was most beloved of the queen. She disappeared from court in 99 AC, allegedly dying of a summer fever, but in fact she had drowned herself in the Blackwater after having been seduced and abandoned by a traveling singer, leaving her with nothing but a growing belly.

[AlaskanSandman]

20 minutes ago, LiveFirstDieLater said:

Ya so I’m not sure I’m on board with the whole theory here, but I do think you’ve noticed some interesting details.

In particular you’ve drawn my attention to Good Queen Alysanne and a possible Bael connection.

Im still stewing, but did you notice how Alysanne died soon after the death of her child?

PRINCESS GAEL (called the Winter Child)

---

Simple-minded but sweet, Gael was most beloved of the queen. She disappeared from court in 99 AC, allegedly dying of a summer fever, but in fact she had drowned herself in the Blackwater after having been seduced and abandoned by a traveling singer, leaving her with nothing but a growing belly.

 

                       Hawyn Hardhand

                                  I

                           Halleck Hoare 

                                 I

             I-----------------------------I                                                                    I--------------------I

        Hoare                           Harren the Black     vs  Aegon the     Torrehn Stark   Brandon Snow 

         Lord Commander        Holds the God's Eye     Conqueror              I       seen in vision cutting

            at Nightfort                                                            I                           I      an arrow who offered his

                                                                                           I                           I            bro to kill Aegon I

                                                                                     I-------------I                  I               

                       Warrior’s Sons & Faith of 7 Vs     Aenys       Maegor         I--------------I            I------------I

                             (Harren the Red  Died       Reign 37 AC                       (Sons  Daugher=Ronnel  Jonos

                                  In 37 AC, at near                 - 42 A  I                     speak of rebellion)       I

                                  the Gods Eye)                I------------------------I                     I                      (House Arryn?)

 Bael the Bard               vs                      Jaehaerys              Alysanne         Ellard Stark

                                                                   (34-103)                 (36-99)           At council of 101

                                                       Reign 48 AC - 103 AC

Edit- If Alysanne is at least 13 at the time of Bael the Bard, then this happened no earlier that 49A, unless she was born early 36ac and she met bale was late 48ac? Babe was born in 49 Ac with the war 30 years later in 79 AC?

Gael Targaryen BornIn or between 62 AC and 83 AC  

So if that is the case then Alysanne would be 26 (reasonable) around the time of conception/birth. So 30 years later would be the year 92 AC right?

92 AC: Choosing of 92 AC: With the death of King Jaehaerys I's eldest son and heir, Prince Aemon, King Jaehaerys needs name a new heir, choosing between Aemon’s only child, Princess Rhaenys, and Jaehaerys's own second son, Prince Baelon. Jaehaerys eventually names Baelon.[24]

 

 

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The World of Ice and Fire - The Targaryen Kings: Jaehaerys I

For forty-six years, the Old King and Good Queen Alysanne were wed, and for the most part it was a happy marriage, with children and grandchildren aplenty.

Two estrangements are recorded, but they did not last more than a year or two before the pair resumed their customary friendship. The Second Quarrel, however, is of note, as it was due to Jaehaerys's decision in 92 AC to pass over his granddaughter Rhaenys—

 

 

 

Good ser, I think we may be on to something here. Great catch and thank you!! Will update prior thread on Bael too

 

[LiveFirstDieLater]

1 minute ago, AlaskanSandman said:

 

                       Hawyn Hardhand

                                  I

                           Halleck Hoare 

                                 I

             I-----------------------------I                                                                    I--------------------I

        Hoare                           Harren the Black     vs  Aegon the     Torrehn Stark   Brandon Snow 

         Lord Commander        Holds the God's Eye     Conqueror              I       seen in vision cutting

            at Nightfort                                                            I                           I      an arrow who offered his

                                                                                           I                           I            bro to kill Aegon I

                                                                                     I-------------I                  I               

                       Warrior’s Sons & Faith of 7 Vs     Aenys       Maegor         I--------------I            I------------I

                             (Harren the Red  Died       Reign 37 AC                       (Sons  Daugher=Ronnel  Jonos

                                  In 37 AC, at near                 - 42 A  I                     speak of rebellion)       I

                                  the Gods Eye)                I------------------------I                     I                      (House Arryn?)

 Bael the Bard               vs                      Jaehaerys              Alysanne         Ellard Stark

                                                                   (34-103)                 (36-99)           At council of 101

                                                       Reign 48 AC - 103 AC

Edit- If Alysanne is at least 13 at the time of Bael the Bard, then this happened no earlier that 49A, unless she was born early 36ac and she met bale was late 48ac? Babe was born in 49 Ac with the war 30 years later in 79 AC?

Gael Targaryen BornIn or between 62 AC and 83 AC  

So if that is the case then Alysanne would be 26 (reasonable) around the time of conception/birth. So 30 years later would be the year 92 AC right?

92 AC: Choosing of 92 AC: With the death of King Jaehaerys I's eldest son and heir, Prince Aemon, King Jaehaerys needs name a new heir, choosing between Aemon’s only child, Princess Rhaenys, and Jaehaerys's own second son, Prince Baelon. Jaehaerys eventually names Baelon.[24]

 

 

 

 

Good ser, I think we may be on to something here. Great catch and thank you!! Will update prior thread on Bael too

 

Next question... is the castle the Nights Watch built to replace the Nightfort at Deep Lake the location formally known as the Frozen Ford?

[AlaskanSandman]

2 minutes ago, LiveFirstDieLater said:

Next question... is the castle the Nights Watch built to replace the Nightfort at Deep Lake the location formally known as the Frozen Ford?

Hmmm, that would make sense since Queen's Crown is already cover from Snow Gate as the birth place of their child. Im convinced