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Marvel Cinematic Universe General Discussion No H8 M8 Just Gr8

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Yep, we have wide-ranging opinions on the MCU. Everyone loves Winter Soldier -I thought it was a fine spy yarn, but will never re-watch it. I enjoyed both Captain America and Thor's first movies more than most. I almost walked out of Ultron, I thought was so extravagantly bad. I've re watched GotG the most out of the lot by far, but thought the sequel was really disappointing and basically abandoned it with the Star Wars Prequels.

I don't think flashy movies basically made for adults embracing our childhood need to be debated as objectively comparable.

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5 hours ago, RumHam said:

Not really MCU, but this website with all(?) the old Marvel cards from the 90's brought back a lot of memories. I had forgotten about so many of these characters. 

https://arena.willparedes.com/marvelcards/

I loved these!! I remember my buddy getting a box of the series 2 cards when they first came out and opening all the packs. Seeing everyone's stats blew us away. I think this is the first time I saw Thanos too. 

I liked that the series 1 had some random made up win/loss record too. 

 

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15 hours ago, Relic said:

That's what ANY opinion is. 

Nonsense. If this were true, when I say 'I personally liked Thor more than Citizen Kane but can recognise it's not a better movie', I'd actually be saying 'I really do like Citizen Kane more but for some reason am fooling myself about this'. 

This notion that personal preference is the only criterion that exists and everything else is just smoke and mirrors is bollocks. There are objective criteria on which films can be assessed, and they apply to Marvel blockbusters just as much as arthouse films, and on those criteria, Black Panther is superior to the majority of previous films from Marvel. 

Case in point:

15 hours ago, polishgenius said:

I'm not sure what you thought was so interesting about Doctor Strange that it's unarguably better than Guardians 2 tbqh. It didn't break the Marvel formula nearly as much as I thought it could or should have. Could have gone a lot more weird than it did.

It could, and it's not necessarily that Strange is incredibly interesting or even that it's the film it could or should have been, but it does do something new and it is more impressive in visual and effects terms, for me.

I might be being unfair to GOTG2 because that film probably has better performances, but as much as I enjoyed GOTG2, it is very, very much GOTG, 2. Did you enjoy GOTG? Then you'll like GOTG2. It's more GOTG! That's all it does, really. That, for me, is something I don't necessarily enjoy less, but does lead to a lower ranking. 

6 hours ago, PetyrPunkinhead said:

First, kudos for appreciating the first Thor film. Second, you probably liked BP so much because the basis for much of its plot is derivative of Thor. 

Ah yes. Thor, the first film ever to do a story about a rival challenging for the throne. 

:rolleyes:

The plot of BP is no more derivative of Thor than Thor is derivative of Hamlet. Somewhat less, in fact. 

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8 hours ago, RumHam said:

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Not really MCU, but this website with all(?) the old Marvel cards from the 90's brought back a lot of memories. I had forgotten about so many of these characters. 

https://arena.willparedes.com/marvelcards/

Hah. I have a few of those, including a bunch of the hologram cards. Hmm... also a Spawn chromium card, John Byrne's Next Men cards, some Topps cards from Mika Mignola's adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula, IIRC... fun. Just random stuff my dad sent me one year from when we collected comics.

You know, with Fantastic Four coming back into the MCU at last report, I'm not particularly keen on a FF film -- but a Silver Surfer film? I'd be open-minded about it. 

6 hours ago, WarGalley said:

Wooooow.. you just punched some hard nostalgia buttons on me. I remember being fascinated with the Speedball card.

Edit: and that Sleepwalker card stands out in my memory which is so weird because I never read a comic with either Speedball or Sleepwalker but I specifically remember these cards.

Speedball is a character that could be really fun on the screen, just in terms of his power. Has he ever been in an animated show, I wonder?

Most of my Speedball experience was in The New Warriors, where I actually had a subscription for the comic for at least the first couple of years (not pull box subscription, literal mailed-to-my-house subscription) when Mark Bagley was on art and Fabian Nicieza was writing. 

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3 hours ago, mormont said:

Nonsense. If this were true, when I say 'I personally liked Thor more than Citizen Kane but can recognise it's not a better movie', I'd actually be saying 'I really do like Citizen Kane more but for some reason am fooling myself about this'. 

This notion that personal preference is the only criterion that exists and everything else is just smoke and mirrors is bollocks. There are objective criteria on which films can be assessed, and they apply to Marvel blockbusters just as much as arthouse films, and on those criteria, Black Panther is superior to the majority of previous films from Marvel. 

Haha, alright man. In which case i can just as easily say that ALL of these movies are flaming cans of dog shit when compared to the Godfather 2, and laugh at these debates about which dog shit is better than the other turds. What I'm getting at is that is seems like a massive stretch to simply call other people's opinions "nonsense" and then go on to state unequivocally that Guardians of the Fucking Galaxy 2 is better/worse than Captain America 1. 

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Seems to me a lot of people would say the same about comparing GRRM's work to, say, Terry Goodkind. But if we all thought that was a 'massive stretch', we wouldn't even be here to have this conversation. 

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Just now, mormont said:

Seems to me a lot of people would say the same about comparing GRRM's work to, say, Terry Goodkind. But if we all thought that was a 'massive stretch', we wouldn't even be here to have this conversation. 

If someone tells me Goodkind is better than GRRM I'd probably say they were crazy, and i might never even talk to them again out of fear of being murdered and sacrificed to some giant chicken deity, but i wouldn't insist they were wrong.

Can you compare Steinbeck to Hemingway and contrast their different styles? Sure. Can you form opinions about which one you prefer? Again yes. Can you state, as a fact, that one is better than the other? I'd say no.  

I'll get off my soapbox after one last point. Most of the arguments (and the divisive nature of the internet in general) are caused by our seeming inability to differentiate fact from opinion, and to state our opinion in a fashion that furthers debate instead of shutting said debate down. 

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2 hours ago, Relic said:

If someone tells me Goodkind is better than GRRM I'd probably say they were crazy, and i might never even talk to them again out of fear of being murdered and sacrificed to some giant chicken deity, but i wouldn't insist they were wrong.

Yeah, but you know you're very much in the minority and that this board was founded and is sustained by a large mass of people who differ from you there. 

2 hours ago, Relic said:

Can you compare Steinbeck to Hemingway and contrast their different styles? Sure. Can you form opinions about which one you prefer? Again yes. Can you state, as a fact, that one is better than the other? I'd say no.  

I'll let the English department know they can all go home.

 

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