Bonnot OG Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, Shryke said: The Trump administration, underneath the democracy-destroying blusterfuck of Trump and the Republican party, is quietly being exactly what everyone expected it to right after he won: one of the most openly and systematically corrupt administrations in US history. Even the Bush years weren't this bad by a long shot. Gotta go back like 100 years to find comparable shit. The Bush years were just as bad. Lets not sell them short just because they weren't as openly horrible and weren't retweeting neo nazi propaganda or infesting the white house with people that the Alt Right / Nazis have lots in common with and openly praise. They started a war and used a lie to do so, and some of the people with in the administration profited big time off the war. That war completely destabilized the middle east and we are seeing the result of that clusterfuck. Their policies crashed the economy. They loved torture, they violated human rights and civil rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokisnow Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Paladin of Ice said: An overview of the small, daily, non-sensationalist ways that this admin is horrible and is doing horrible thing to the country. When Congress first let CHIP expire, it also allowed funding to expire for a network of 2,000 community health centers that were visited for primary care over 26 million times in 2016. When CHIP was funded again, the health centers weren't, and they've now gone over 4 months since that funding lapsed. And if you're wondering what the cost to fund these center would be, 7.4 billion would cover them all for 2 years. By comparison, 18 billion is estimated for the first stage of a potential border wall, and it's estimated that 1.5 TRILLION in revenue will be lost due the corporate tax cuts form the the tax bill alone. The Department of Housing and Urban Development, whose mission is to "create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all. HUD is working to strengthen the housing market to bolster the economy and protect consumers; meet the need for quality affordable rental homes; utilize housing as a platform for improving quality of life; build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination" is rapidly turning into a shitshow thanks to having a neurosurgeon as its head. It's looking to copy Trump's Medicaid plans and add work requirements to its conditions, and also to raise the rent rate people have to pay in subsidized homes. Lastly, Ben Carson has gotten his son significantly involved in HUD despite him not officially working there, and it appears Carson Jr. is using the opportunity as a way to enrich himself. MIck Mulvaney has completely stripped the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau's fair lending department (which oversees and enact penalties against lenders who discriminate against borrowers) of its powers. He's also reportedly pulling back on looking into the Equifax hack. (Y'know, the security breach that involved the personal information of every American of working age and older, and then the company waited 6 weeks before telling anybody? No biggie, shit happens.) Speaking of shady lenders, payday lenders appear to have won concessions from the administration, and are paying it back by having its events hosted at Trump properties. (Details below to save you a NYT click.) Yay for open political corruption! And lastly, political appointees inside the Department of Labor spiked a report showing that bosses skimmed billions of dollars from workers who gets tips. the fantastically sad thing is this: not one elected democrat gives a shit about medicaid work requirements, HUD, payday lenders or the CFPB, all of these changes will be permanent because elected democrats, even if they regained power, don't give a fuck about reversing anything. Mark my words, even with a pair of waves and a Trump ouster, in 2021, not one Trump policy will be rescinded, repealed nor revoked. Democrats will probably scramble to make their first priority making all of Trump's tax cuts permanent for him and republicans, because democrats ennacting permanent republican policy achievements is one of their favorite things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, Sword of Doom said: The Bush years were just as bad. Lets not sell them short just because they weren't as openly horrible and weren't retweeting neo nazi propaganda or infesting the white house with people that the Alt Right / Nazis have lots in common with and openly praise. They started a war and used a lie to do so, and some of the people with in the administration profited big time off the war. That war completely destabilized the middle east and we are seeing the result of that clusterfuck. Their policies crashed the economy. They loved torture, they violated human rights and civil rights. The Bush Years were not as bad. Not in the things you are talking about here and certainly not with what I'm talking about, which is the level of open corruption we are seeing with the Trump Administration. Everything you complain about the GWB Admin doing, Trump is or wants to do and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, lokisnow said: the fantastically sad thing is this: not one elected democrat gives a shit about medicaid work requirements, HUD, payday lenders or the CFPB, all of these changes will be permanent because elected democrats, even if they regained power, don't give a fuck about reversing anything. Mark my words, even with a pair of waves and a Trump ouster, in 2021, not one Trump policy will be rescinded, repealed nor revoked. Democrats will probably scramble to make their first priority making all of Trump's tax cuts permanent for him and republicans, because democrats ennacting permanent republican policy achievements is one of their favorite things to do. This sounds like you haven't been listening to anything Democratic politicians have been saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, lokisnow said: ah. so you are ignorant of the fact that wealthy people (billionaires) earn 99.999% of their income as capital gains. If Trump is a billionaire, his annual capital gains tax bill would indicate his net worth. this is very basic math. Your correct , I was not aware of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, lokisnow said: the fantastically sad thing is this: not one elected democrat gives a shit about medicaid work requirements, HUD, payday lenders or the CFPB, all of these changes will be permanent because elected democrats, even if they regained power, don't give a fuck about reversing anything. This simply does not reflect reality. The only reason Medicaid, HUD, or the CFPB exists in the first place is because of Democrats, and their record on supporting and/or rehabilitating the former two following GOP administrations speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 50 minutes ago, lokisnow said: the fantastically sad thing is this: not one elected democrat gives a shit about medicaid work requirements, HUD, payday lenders or the CFPB, all of these changes will be permanent because elected democrats, even if they regained power, don't give a fuck about reversing anything. Mark my words, even with a pair of waves and a Trump ouster, in 2021, not one Trump policy will be rescinded, repealed nor revoked. Democrats will probably scramble to make their first priority making all of Trump's tax cuts permanent for him and republicans, because democrats ennacting permanent republican policy achievements is one of their favorite things to do. I have worked with several people who were on Medicaid. They did so because the checks were insufficient to live off of. However, they also could not make much without threatening their benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMe90 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, dmc515 said: This simply does not reflect reality. The only reason Medicaid, HUD, or the CFPB exists in the first place is because of Democrats, and their record on supporting and/or rehabilitating the former two following GOP administrations speaks for itself. You have to take anything Loki says about democrats with the smallest grain of salt imaginable. Pretty much everything within this realm is beyond hyperbole, to put it mildly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Mexal said: Eh. It's just one more thing Trump has said that leads to autocratic tendencies. None of the others seemed to matter so why does this one? It's the same dance as before. A few GOP guys will say that's not true, the media will talk/write about it and we'll move on. This isn't anything new. All this shit has been normalized in the Trump era. It's not new in the sense that Trump is starting to reveal autocratic tendencies, but I think his comments take those tendencies and bring them to a new level. The president straight up called Congressional Democrats traitors. That's a new low in a series of lows. 7 hours ago, Pony Queen Jace said: Buried in the news was that North Korea has been getting nuclear materials through the German Embassy. Why is the flag flying over Berlin not Red White and Blue right now? Sounds like Germany needs some..........freedom! 6 hours ago, IamMe90 said: The tax bill has no effect on 2017 tax returns. In other words, changes that would appear on a tax return won't show up until we file our tax returns next year. My guess is that Jace moved up into a higher tax bracket when her income increased. I thought some aspects were supposed to kick in immediately while most of the benefits for individuals don't take place until people file their 2018 taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMe90 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, Tywin et al. said: It's not new in the sense that Trump is starting to reveal autocratic tendencies, but I think his comments take those tendencies and bring them to a new level. The president straight up called Congressional Democrats traitors. That's a new low in a series of lows. Sounds like Germany needs some..........freedom! I thought some aspects were supposed to kick in immediately while most of the benefits for individuals don't take place until people file their 2018 taxes. Yes, that is what I'm saying. Some changes will take effect immediately, e.g. your take home pay after taxes. But that doesn't have anything to do with your 2017 tax return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, Shryke said: The Bush Years were not as bad. Not in the things you are talking about here and certainly not with what I'm talking about, which is the level of open corruption we are seeing with the Trump Administration. Everything you complain about the GWB Admin doing, Trump is or wants to do and more. So far, Trump has started a war in Iraq for no particular reason other than to pad the pockets of his military donors, or the Halliburton group that his family owns. On the other hand, he seems likely to start a war in Iran or North Korea to help protect him from prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, Yukle said: So far, Trump has started a war in Iraq for no particular reason other than to pad the pockets of his military donors, or the Halliburton group that his family owns. On the other hand, he seems likely to start a war in Iran or North Korea to help protect him from prosecution. It took GWB 3 years to start a war for no reason. Trump is looking at starting one with North Korea this year and there's Republicans boasting it will help them in the midterms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Shryke said: It took GWB 3 years to start a war for no reason. Well, 2 and 2 months - the equivalent would be next March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, dmc515 said: Well, 2 and 2 months - the equivalent would be next March. We know it will be the biggest and best war though, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, Shryke said: It took GWB 3 years to start a war for no reason. Trump is looking at starting one with North Korea this year and there's Republicans boasting it will help them in the midterms. War with NK is not popular. Personally I am hoping Trump is encouraged into initiating hostilities in the next four months. A resolution must be reached, it will be dreadful. But why not leave that burning sack of shit on Donnie's door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 27 minutes ago, Shryke said: It took GWB 3 years to start a war for no reason. Trump is looking at starting one with North Korea this year and there's Republicans boasting it will help them in the midterms. thank god we had a reason for that other war though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Nooo, DONNIE NOOOO! He wants a military parade. Someone in that whitehouse is cranking on levers now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pony Queen Jace said: Nooo, DONNIE NOOOO! He wants a military parade. Someone in that whitehouse is cranking on levers now. And even worse, Pentagon has confirmed they are looking at dates. Because what we need right now is a military parade that costs a lot to celebrating nothing. It’s amazing how much money “fiscal conservatives” willing to borrow and spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mexal said: And even worse, Pentagon has confirmed they are looking at dates. Because what we need right now is a military parade that costs a lot to celebrating nothing. It’s amazing how much money “fiscal conservatives” willing to borrow and spend. Word is Trump's demanding Leni Riefenstahl films a sequel at the parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivin Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 This is actually pretty interesting. I am one of many people who wouldn't mind seeing some kind of Veterans march through DC on the 4th before fireworks. It could be cool. But Donald wanting an actual Military Parade is very curious. Could Democrats reinforce that he just doesn't get it? Duckworth perhaps? It's not about the machines and implements of war. America is a belief, an ideal. It does not need flaunting, like in France or North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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