UFT Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 how would that affect Wo5K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1. Lannister fleet never gets burned, so they would have had a navy in the WOT5K. 2. Even though Balon did rebuild the Iron Fleet, it’s numbers would surely have been stronger if it had never been destroyed in the first place. So the Ironborn also have more punching power, and their infrastructure to build more is also stronger for never having been destroyed. 3. While Balon would not have had a burning desire for specific revenge on the Starks, he was first and foremost an opportunist and probably would have still overall attacked the way he did in the WOT5K, but with Theon never being a ward of the Starks Winterfell would not have fallen. Obviously a lot changes from there, but those are the broad initial strokes I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The South Forgets Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Theon would have lived with the Ironborn for all his life and would be trusted much more by Balon. He would also not put so much importance to Winterfell. Jorah Mormont would also not have met with Lynesse and would be Lord of Bear Island and the marshal of Robb Stark( hey, he's got an excellent martial in ck2 ). The west would have a fleet and Tywin could sail to the North instead of having to fight in the river lands while Jaime guarded the Golden Tooth. The possibilities are infinite. Heck, Robert could have divorced Cersei and married someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Basically Balon and the IB are more powerful they have more ships, more resources, and Balon has three sons which means that when Balon dies or IF his slimy brother Crows eye probably doesnt call a kingsmoot or is thrown into the harbour when he arrives to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 The most important of all is Alannys Harlaw has all her sons around her and not roam the halls of Pyke looking for them. Probably no Kingsmoot, Aeron does not become a priest, no sack of Winterfell (or at least the Bolton treachery cannot be hidden). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindsayLohan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 No Greyjoy Rebellion means no Tournament at Lannisport, which means no marriage between Jorah and Lynesse. Jeor doesn't (in theory) join the Night's Watch and become LC. Regardless of Jeor's fate, Jorah doesn't fall into debt and flee Eddard's justice The "Theon's Bastards" discussions become less fun, because he's the 3rd (or father, likely) heir in the Iron Islands Victarion doesn't learn the lessons from being anally violated by Stannis Asha isn't raised as some Ironborn Wonder Woman A better question: Who else chooses to poke the beast? Without the Ironborn being made an example, do the Martells or Tyrells foment rebellion elsewhere, or earlier? Does Bobby B get bored and invade some random places (say, the Summer Islands)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The Iron Islands would be a good deal happier, I would imagine. Fewer dead sons and fathers, fewer widows and orphans. If they continued to prosper, that may have been attributed to Quellon's tenure, further enforcing the New Way. Assuming the Reader's sons took after their father, that would have also paved the way for a revitalized Iron Islands. Asha wouldn't have been raised as Balon's heir, but she probably would have still become a captain. Theon mentioned in ACOK that it wasn't unheard of for an Ironborn woman to do so. If I remember correctly, Aeron was "reborn" during the Greyjoy Rebellion, so he would still have been Theon's fun, drunk uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 18 hours ago, UFT said: how would that affect Wo5K? So many characters were directly or indirectly affected by that bit of plot that you would end up writing a different book to explain it properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Dorian Martell's son said: So many characters were directly or indirectly affected by that bit of plot that you would end up writing a different book to explain it properly Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 15 hours ago, LindsayLohan said: No Greyjoy Rebellion means no Tournament at Lannisport, which means no marriage between Jorah and Lynesse. Jeor doesn't (in theory) join the Night's Watch and become LC. Regardless of Jeor's fate, Jorah doesn't fall into debt and flee Eddard's justice The "Theon's Bastards" discussions become less fun, because he's the 3rd (or father, likely) heir in the Iron Islands Victarion doesn't learn the lessons from being anally violated by Stannis Asha isn't raised as some Ironborn Wonder Woman A better question: Who else chooses to poke the beast? Without the Ironborn being made an example, do the Martells or Tyrells foment rebellion elsewhere, or earlier? Does Bobby B get bored and invade some random places (say, the Summer Islands)? I thought that Jeor joined the Night's Watch circa Robert's Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Mac Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 11/02/2018 at 1:15 PM, The Mountain That Flies said: 1. Lannister fleet never gets burned, so they would have had a navy in the WOT5K. According to GRRM that Navy was rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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