Interstellar Weirwood Conspiracy

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

“One voice may speak you false, but in many there is always truth to be found.”

 

Here is my take on ASOIAF—it is a of post-apocalyptic science-fiction story, but the twist is that it takes place on our Earth, in our timeline, in our past.  It is euhemerism, a garbled, half-remembered, fragmented, mistranslated account of the real human history on Earth which weaves together many of the common mythologies/conspiracy theories of early and modern humans.  It is a grand-unifying conspiracy theory that unites Ancient Aliens, pagan gods, magic/sorcery, Dragons, human sacrifice, Sacred Trees, prophecy, the Flood myth, the Afterlife, etc., into a coherent narrative—which is that they all are describing some version of true events from human history filtered through the lens of Iron Age humans who had very little understanding of what they were witnessing from a time when magic really existed before a cataclysmic flood which wiped out most of the humans and marked the end of “magic” on Earth.

Preamble to the theory

 

·         Many or most of the events described in the books did not occur as described if they happened at all,  characters may be amalgamations, or aspects of one person

·         what we are reading is an oral history created by primitive peoples to attempt to explain what happened before the a cataclysmic flood that reset human civilization and wiped most humans out

·         The authors did not fully understand what was really going on, so no coherent picture of global events is formed in the text, they focused mostly on local politics, we must piece together the real history from fragments and clues hidden in the text, (as "in the prose Edda, Ginki, the wise king, travels in search of knowledge to the home of the Norse gods, each of whom supplies the visitor with some piece of special information.  The cosmogonic history [is] thus patched up between them")

·         Many people have commented that GRRM has borrowed elements from various world mythologies, I think it is the other way around, he is depicting the original story from which many world mythologies have been derived

·         Norse mythology is the closest mirror to the events in ASOIAF, there is often a direct match for characters (which others have covered and I may visit in a follow-up post), but many of the other pagan mythologies contain a portion of the truth, (e.g Meso-American, Greek, Babylonian, and Egyptian mythologies)

 

The Origins of the Weirwoods

 

·         The Weirwoods are a 5^th dimensional psi-fungus from outer space, that was carried to earth on a asteroid, they feed on blood and psychic energy created by suffering of living creatures and feelings of terror (I think this was inspired by the interplanetary fungus from Mote in God’s Eye, and is featured in many of GRRM other works, 1,000 worlds)

·         The Weirwoods have telekinetic and telepathic abilities

·         It has the ability to reach out into space and pull meteors or other objects in to the planet, this is how it spreads from planet to planet

·         the asteroid that carried it here landed on what became the God’s Eye, and that is Weirwood’s main seat of power (Yggdrasil, Well of Urd) its second seat of power is under Winterfell (Hvergelmir, “boiling, bubbling spring”) and the third was Bloodraven’s cave (Mimisbrunnr)

·         it had existed on Planetos/Earth for at least 1,000,000 years with a low level of consciousness, feeding on whatever blood it could find and shaping the children of the forest from humans to serve it better, it has spread planet-wide in that time, in Essos it is the Shade of the Evening trees

·         The weirwood roots extend throughout all of Planetos (except through bedrock), including under the oceans, (“krakens” might be weirwood roots?)

·         The above ground “trees” are merely the “fruiting bodies” the main organism is underground

·         The weirwoods shaped human evolution to some degree

·         The whorl pattern with the weirwood in the center represents a galaxy with the space god weirwoods at the center.  Perhaps this swirl pattern morphed into a swastika, which explains the global widespread use and significance of swastikas by early humans 

·         They might be able to telepathically join networks across the galaxy (Shining Trapazohedron and the Church of Starry Wisdom)

 

The Rise and Fall of the Great Empire of the Dawn

·         About 25,000 years ago an advanced space faring civilization came to earth to set up a colony.  This was the Great Empire of the Dawn (Annunaki, Titans/Giants, Ymir, the Elder Things/Old Ones)

·         They created a planet wide civilization, all of the sites with oily black stone were built by them, Asshai was their capitol

·         Extensive cave systems/tunnels were their mining operations?  (extensive Valyrian mining operations)

·         They were also heavily involved in genetic engineering, they had perfected their genetics, lived for 1,000s of years (had engineered psi-powers?)

·         they were able to breed with the humans they found on Earth, or else genetically manipulate the humans to be more like them (silver hair, purple eyes, partly reptilian)

·         made mutant hybrid species also (brindled men, merlings, Sothoryos creatures?)

·         All references to dragons might actually be their spaceships (explains references to dragons being both meteors and a mode of transportation) ancient astronauts

·         all references to “King’s Blood” are referring to the descendants from the Great Empire who still carry some of the enhanced DNA, their blood and suffering is like crack to the weirwoods

·         The Great Empire steered human evolution to a great degree, created modern humans

·         the Great Empire led to worldwide peace that lasted for 10,000 years (golden age of Kronus from Greek myth), the weirwoods were threatened by this because to deprived them of their blood and psychic energy

·         After the God on Earth departed/died, the weirwoods/COTF created the white walkers to menace/destroy the Great Empire

·         The Great Empire/Pearl Emperor built the Five Forts to hold them back, tall enough to be tsunami-proof, and glacier proof (hold enough people to restart Civ?)

·         They built their cities out of fused black stone because the white walkers were repelled by it

·         To neutralize these defenses the weirwoods caused a meteorite to come into the possession of he who would become the Bloodstone Emperor (8,000 years ago) the Bloodstone contained some of the weirwood fungus and they got control of his mind and he collapsed the Great Empire causing great bloodshed and suffering pleasing the weirwoods (tie-in to Lovecraft”s Shining Trapezohedron, and the Yekubian’s mind control cube)

·         The Bloodstone Emperor caused the Long Night perhaps by parking a huge spaceship in orbit to block out the sun

·         The Bloodstone Emperor caused a civil war among the Great Empire (blacks/reds, vs. the whites and greens)

·         the Weirwoods were able to pull down several spaceships that were engaged in a dogfight above the God’s Eye into the lake (Vhagar vs Caraxes, Blacks vs greens)

·         The COTF were able to retrieve the bodies of at least three of the Great Empire people and they were plugged into the weirwood.net

·         This was when the Weirwoods were “struck by lightening” or “set on fire” and really became super-powered. (stole fire from the gods)

·         Hypothesis #2 is that the Great Empire people sought help from the Weirwoods to break a stalemate in the civil war, or they were almost defeated and it was a last ditch

·         These 3 Great Empire people are the Norns in Norse mythology, they live in the caves below the Yggdrasil in the Well of Urd Urðarbrunnr, and they weave the fates of men. (see also the Moirai from Greek mythology, and the Annunaki in Babylonian mythology who hold the Tablets of Destiny, and other famous triads such as the Greek Furies and the Hesperides)

·         The Green Men on the Isle of Faces are actual “little green men” as in extraterrestrials

·         These are the 3 malevolent figures carved in the DragonstoneCave in the tv series (pictured below them they have the spiral galaxy symbol, and the god’s eye crash symbol)

·         Garth Greenhand is probably one of the dead and resurrected Green Men or one of their offspring, has antlers, is a fertility god, demands blood sacrifice—his role is to restart/jumpstart civilization after the purge (Osiris, Quetzlcoatl, Marduk, etc)

·         Order of the Green Hand is an Illuminati secret society to serve the aliens/weirwoods, do their bidding and keep their secrets

·         The Bloodstone Emperor at some point either proved to be too powerful for the weirwoods to control, or he had simply served his purpose, and they destroyed the orbiting spaceship with a Red Comet, this is the origin of the Azor Ahai Light Bringer myth, and the Qartheen Second Moon/Dragon origins myth, LML’s second moon theory

·         Escape pods/small ships/debris land in various parts of Planetos

·         The White Walkers were possibly from the White Faction of the Great Empire?  Had Bloodstones/Weirwood fungus inserted into them to control their minds?  Crashed ship in lands of always winter?  Their Ice armor described as bending light around it, like the Predator cloaking tech.  

·         The Grey King was one such crash-landed Great Empire citizen, Naga was the wreckage of his space ship, “The hall had been warmed by Nagga’s living fire, which the Grey King had made his thrall” “her jaws became his throne” (he used his captain’s chair on the ship as a throne),  he showed up around the same time as the weirwoods became sentient (were struck by the Storm God’s thunderbolt and set ablaze)

·         The Grey King warred against the weirwoods for 1,007 years, the Iron Islanders are his descendants, had some weirwood items in his possession, (driftwood crown? weirwood boats) perhaps the Weirwoods turned him too?  After he died the weirwood sent a tsunami to the IronIslands and destroyed everything he built.

·         Possibly the Deep One’s got stranded underwater, created squisher’s to take care of them?

·         Bloodstone Emperor perhaps retreats to/imprisoned in Stygai?  (Cronus imprisoned in the cave of Nyx, or like Prometheus chained to a rock in the Caucuses mountains)

 

 

After the Collapse of the Great Empire

·         Since then the weirwoods have been in pretty much total control of events on Earth.

·         The Weirwood network encourages and provokes constant warfare for the slow trickle of blood and negative psychic energy

·         It rewards those who increase suffering, and punishes those who keep the peace

·         It instigates religious conflict by playing both sides, the Weirwood is R’hllor and the Great Other, and the Seven, and every other god.

 

·         The entire history of Westeros has been a history of manipulation by the weirwoods, the weirwoods send visions and dreams to control people,

·         characters with white skin, Red Hair, red eyes, red masks, or red robes, or are connected with Ravens are agents of the weirwoods, (Melissandre’s ruby is petrified weirwood sap?)

·         Qaithe is an agent of the weirwoods (red mask, also seen in Drowned God video game)

·         Jaqen H’gar, Raegar, Bloodraven, Beric, Mance is Odin/Weirwood avatars

·         Odin—Woden—Wooden—Weirwood

·         Ghost, Ygritte, Catelyn, Sansa, Bran, Benerro are agents of the weirwoods·        

 

·         Kraken sigil is weirwood (the Hindu World Tree Asvattha is depicted as an upside down tree with roots upwards),

·         Hightower sigil is weirwood (white stone tower, red flame atop, repository of knowledge)

·         Stannis’ burning heart sigil is weirwood (“The red leaves of the weirwood were a blaze of flame” and heart as in heart tree)

·         Lord of Light emblem is a weirwood (fiery hand is depiction of weirwood leaves, red heart on fire, i.e., heart tree set ablaze)

·         Reed sigil is weirwood (the Mayan World Tree had rough bark like an alligator, often was depicted as an alligator)·        

·         The Titan of Braavos is weirwood (stone giant, flaming red eyes)·       

 

·         The Weirwoods have a script that they are sticking to, (the Ragnarok script) that is why all of the events of legends seem to be happening again, because they are

·         Prophecy has no real significance in the story it is merely a way to move pieces around on their board

·         The Weirwoods are causing the irregular seasons by exerting it telekinetic powers and pulling on the moon, disturbing the wobble of the Earth possibly just for the sake of starving peasants to death, or maybe they just can’t help it and can’t turn it off

·         it is the “Tree of Terror.”  It is terrorizing human beings.

·         The Bolton house sigil is the rune "X"  which means “gift” with an upside down flayed man, the gift is the human blood they give to the weirwood.net.  The more murderous you are, the more you will be rewarded. 

·         The trees have no interest in our well being, we are just a part of their vampire blood bank pyramid scheme, and as long as they are around, humans will never have peace.

·         It has been encouraging civilizations to build up, and then it harvests them for the blood.  (references to Norse Ragnarok cycles, and Meso-american belief that Queztlcoatl creates civ and his twin Xolotl destroys it, and they have done this 4 or 5 times, we are in the 10th cycle in Hindu myth?)

·         There is a Grand Maesters’ Conspiracy, they know the real history of Planetos, but deliberately keep the truth hidden, they are the illuminati

·         Oldtown library as a repository of human knowledge as in Isaac Asimov’s Foundation, they still exist to this day to suppress any knowledge of the real history, same as Pnakotus in Lovecraft

·         The Valyrian civilization was founded by refugees from the Great Empire, perhaps they thought they could keep the weirwoods happy with blood sacrifices, but they were wrong and the Weirwoods destroyed them with a meteor strike when they decided they was a threat, but it made sure to preserve a few Valyrians for their precious King’s Blood to re-seed civ

·         Harren the Black was a descendant of the Great Empire (the Grey King), somehow new that the Isle of Faces was important, but you cannot sail there because the weirwoods can control the wind and/or hide the island from view.  But I think there is a cave system under the lake that leads to the island, and the entrance is where he built Harrenhall, (Bat sigil, giant bats in Bloodraven’s cave) the children were scared so they called in the Targs to wipe him out.

 

The main plot points from ancient mythology 

·         The idea that Giants or Titans that came from the sky once ruled the world (Ymir, Annunaki, Titans)

·         There was a civil war and they were destroyed by second generation gods who slew, dismembered, or imprisioned the Titans. 

·         The world was built from the corpses of slain titans

·         Some member of the pantheon created mankind or brought civilization to them

·         This god was often a storm god, fertility god, sometimes depicted as being green (Osiris, Marduk, Quetzlcoatl, Indra, Odin/Thor, Kokopelli)

·         The fertility god was engaged in a "struggle" with a death god, often a serpent or dragon

·         Babylonian myth Marduk is a wind god, slayed dragon god Tiamat

·         Hindu myth Indra storm god, slayed dragon Vritra

·         Norse myth Thor storm god, slayed sea serpent Jormungand

·         All of these stories where a hero slays a dragon (Chaoskampf) are referring to how the Weirwoods would end one cycle of human civilization and begin another (also celebrate their victory over the great empire?)

·         Time is cyclical rather than linear, cycles of death and rebirth of civilization, the storm god vs. serpent repeats

·         But it is a scam being perpetrated on humans, Quetzlcoatl and Xolotl are twin brothers, not enemies.  (The Weirwoods are playing both sides.)

·         The importance of human sacrifice, gods wither and die without tribute

·         The idea of a World Tree which contained secret knowledge (runes, Brahman) and only a select few gained access to cosmic enlightenment it held, while receiving enlightenment the person appeared in a trace or dead.  Closely associated with the fate or destiny.

·         This tree may be attended to by magical beings such as the Norns, dryads, Yaksha, kodama, jinn, etc. These magical creatures could grant wishes or punish humans

·         Many cultures did and still do believe in an afterlife, often underworld, Valhalla, Hades/Tartarus, where the souls of the deceased reside—still alive in some sense.

·         The gods were displeased by mankind, and regularly genocided them, usually with a flood

·         Human civilization is restarted by a few survivors

 

End Game

·         The Red Comet is a weirwood infested asteroid, its proximity causes a surge in psi-powers?  Its return marks the start of Ragnarok, “the red comet is a herald of a new age”  (tie-in to Cthulhu sleeps until the stars align)

·         Time is cyclical like in Norse and Hindu mythology, everything that is described in legends is happening again, because the weirwoods are coordinating the events, they are puppetmasters putting on a scripted show, 

·         In Norse Ragnarok Midgard is attacked by Ice Giants from the north, Fire Giants from the south, clay men attack from the mountains, there are terrible storms, earthquakes, and fires. Nearly everyone dies, and then a flood washes the land clean and a few people are spared to repopulate the Earth

·         But this cycle is different because of the birth of Bran Stark, a character with unparalled telepathic/psi abilities

·         The Weirwood network wants Bran because he can skin-change people and they could permanently and completely enslave mankind with his abilities and have an endless supply of blood and torture

·         The Night’s King (Bran) figure out the it was the weirwoods all along and must destroy the mainframe on the Isle of Faces

·         Bran deliberately went back in time and got turned into the Night’s King, Bran is Loki, he tricked them into upgrading his powers immensely, they thought they were making their superweapon but got tricked into giving Bran the power to destroy them

·         Bran has to wait 8,000 years to put his plan into action

·         Ragnarok happens, the hero slays a serpent, the weirwoods are destroyed, everyone gets killed, giant tsunami floods all lands, washing away all evidence of previous civilizations, only a few non-magical people survive

 

·         They might go to the Eyrie to escape the flood (as in the Babylonian flood myth)

·         The modern age starts, free from magic

·         Alternate ending, Bran goes all the way back, uses teke powers to send weirwood comet into the sun instead of it hitting Earth.  Timeline proceeds from there, Bran becomes Quetzlcoatl, brings civilization to mankind.

·         (Bran did have a dream where he is a meteor about to hit the earth: “The ground was closer now, still far far away, a thousand miles away, but closer than it had been. It was cold here in the darkness. There was no sun, no stars, only the ground below coming up to smash him, and the grey mists, and the whispering voice.”)

 

So, that is about it.   I don’t have the patience to write a fully fleshed out version of this theory, or to write a comprehensive comparison of ASOIAF and ancient mythology, but I have been sitting on this for a couple of years and I thought I should just put up what I have, and maybe someone will get something out of it.  I have about 40 pages of notes for mythology parallels, which I am trying to organize into coherent sections.  I will drop them in a follow-up post.

[redriver]

Didn't GRRM say it was fantasy not science fiction?

[Kandrax]

We need the sixth book.

[kissdbyfire]

3 hours ago, redriver said:

Didn't GRRM say it was fantasy not science fiction?

Yup, he did. 

[Bitterblooms]

Usually a lurker here, butting in with a tangential question. (Maybe better for small questions? But it's not actually about the series alone.) Did GRRM conclusively shut down the idea that Planetos is set in the 1000 world's universe? My feeling is it's not because recurring names and in universe myths, like the pale child, don't really make an appearance. But I can't think of any statements definitively saying one way or the other. Can anyone else? 

[The Fattest Leech]

On 3/6/2018 at 6:35 AM, Bitterblooms said:

Usually a lurker here, butting in with a tangential question. (Maybe better for small questions? But it's not actually about the series alone.) Did GRRM conclusively shut down the idea that Planetos is set in the 1000 world's universe? My feeling is it's not because recurring names and in universe myths, like the pale child, don't really make an appearance. But I can't think of any statements definitively saying one way or the other. Can anyone else? 

Yes. GRRM said ASOIF is not set in Thousand Worlds universe. I’ll have to find the quote later as I haven’t had coffee yet. 

So no, Planetos’ real name is not Avalon  (which could be ominous)

ADDING:

@Bitterblooms I found the quote from George about ASOAIF/"Planetos" not being set in the Thousand Worlds universe...

Asimov and Heinlein, late in life, both seemed to feel the urge to merge all of their books and stories into one huge continuity.

So far I do not feel the urge. No, Westeros is not one of the Thousand Worlds.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/464984.html?thread=23461208#t23461208

[Leo of House Cartel]

@By Odin's Beard Well met and welcome to the board!

An interesting post, while I'm not sure I entirely agree, I enjoyed reading your theory. 

What do you think the endgame might be if you are correct?

[Bitterblooms]

1 hour ago, The Fattest Leech said:

Yes. GRRM said ASOIF is not set in Thousand Worlds universe. I’ll have to find the quote later as I haven’t had coffee yet. 

So no, Planetos’ real name is not Avalon  (which could be ominous)

Thanks

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

I did not claim that it was in the 1.000 worlds universe, I just said that he used a similar idea.  And I think the distinction between fantasy and sci-fi is a distinction without a difference (only the furniture). 

Also, if it came to exposing a crucial plot twist at the end of a 20+ year project, don't you think that a writer might lie and obfuscate to keep it hidden?  I know I would.

[kissdbyfire]

1 hour ago, By Odin's Beard said:

I did not claim that it was in the 1.000 worlds universe, I just said that he used a similar idea.  And I think the distinction between fantasy and sci-fi is a distinction without a difference (only the furniture). 

Well, it's a distinction the author made in this case. 

2 hours ago, By Odin's Beard said:

Also, if it came to exposing a crucial plot twist at the end of a 20+ year project, don't you think that a writer might lie and obfuscate to keep it hidden?  I know I would.

Absolitely not. When asked whatever about the novels Martin will either answer or say something along the lines of, 'keep reading'. In all this time I don't recall a single instance where he actually lied. 

[Megorova]

Atlas of Earth looks like Planetos, after continental drift.  This

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/1/10/WorldofIceandFire.png

turned into atlas of Earth, after Westeros and Essos drifted together and became one continent; eastern part of Essos broke off, on line from Nefer thru Bleeding sea and to Jingi, this disconnected part of Essos formed Greenland, North and South America; Sothoryos drifted up, connected to fused together Westeros and Essos, and became Africa; lower eastern piece of Sothoryos got disconnected from continent, and became Madagascar; Summer Islands drifted east, passed undernear Sothoryos, that was drifting up, and became Australia.

Grey Waste is Canada; the Thousand Islands is area with islands between Canada and Greenland; Nefer is Alaska; Bleeding sea is Berring sea; area between Grey Waste and Shadow Lands is USA; Shadow Lands and Asshai is Mexico; Leng is Japan; Plains of the Jogos Nhai is Mongolia; Yi Ti - China; Great Moraq and islands are Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Malasya, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea; Dothraki Sea is Kazahstan and Russia; Ghiscar - India; New Ghis - Sri Lanka; area with Volantis, Valyria, Slavers Bay, Meereen, Yunkai, Astapor is Earth's area with Georgia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistand and Arabian Peninsula; Disputed Lands - Turkey; Westeros - Western and Central Europe; Summer Islands - Australia.

If two atlases are compared together, then it's obvious that whoever made atlas of Planetos, did based it on map of Earth.

[ResidentHi11]

8 hours ago, Kandrax said:

We need the sixth book.

Long time lurker, first time poster here.

Interesting read, but a tad out there. Not sure why a good story needs to become so obfuscated.

Sometimes a story is just a story. 

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

Getting sidetracked about the sci-fi aspect.  If the events were true history, and humans were visited by aliens, it wouldn't be "sci-fi" it would be history or mythology. 

 

Parallels between Greek Mythology and The History of Planetos

 

Uranus and Gaia

 

According to Hesiod, Gaia (the earth mother), mating with Uranus (the sky father), bore many children: the first generation of Titans, the Cyclops and the Hecatoncheires. But Uranus alarmed at their promise of fierceness and strength, hated his children and, as soon as they were born, he imprisoned them inside of Gaia, causing her much distress.

The Hecatoncheires "each of them having a hundred hands and fifty heads" the children of Gaia (Earth) and Uranus (sky) were three giants of incredible strength and ferocity that surpassed all of the Titans, whom they later helped overthrow.  Briareus or Aegaeon (“strong” or “the vigorous”), Cottus (“the striker” or “the furious”) and Gyges (“the big-limbed”). Associated with great storms and hurricanes, and earthquakes

Uranus, their father, threw them into Gaia's womb, which infuriated her; thus, this started her plotting towards the overthrow of her husband.

The first Titans were thrown into the earth’s womb--that is to say perhaps arrived in a meteor strike--and remained imprisoned underground.  Described as incredibly strong, ferocious, and tree-like, with many arms and many heads.  The Hecatoncheries are the weirwood.   They were imprisoned in Tartarus “the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans.”

Gaea was infuriated by Uranus treatment of her and her children.  So she devised a plan to overthrow Uranus and met with her sons including Cronus (presumably still inside Gaia's body). She tried to convince them to castrate their father but, motivated by his jealousy against his father’s power for ruling the cosmos (the universe), Cronus was the only son willing to do the deed. And so Gaia made a sickle of adamant which she gave to Cronus and told him how and when to attack, the youngest of her Titan sons, and hid him to wait in ambush. When Uranus came to lie with Gaia, Cronus approached his father and castrated him. Cronus cut Uranus’ testicles off causing his blood (or his semen according to some versions of the myth) to spill over the earth.

It was told that giants, furies and nymphs were born when Uranus bled on the earth. It was also believed that Aphrodite was born out of the foams caused by Uranus’ testicles falling in to the sea. According to Hesiod, the name Aphrodite was derived from the Greek word “aphros” meaning “foam”.

Cronus also came from the sky, and he castrated the sky-god—which might be a way of saying that he was the last alien to arrive, and that no others came after him. Because Uranus was not an actual being, he was a personified force of nature.

After dispatching Uranus, Cronus once again incarcerated his youngest siblings, the Hecatonchires and the Cyclopes and commanded the dragon Campe to guard them.

“Campe is generally depicted as having the head and upper body of a beautiful woman, the lower body of a dragon, a massive scorpion's tail full of venom, snakes around her ankles, and 50 grisly heads of various creatures (wolves, snakes, bears, lions...) bubbling around her waist. Her fingernails were "curved like a crooktalon sickle", and she possessed black wings on her back. More rare depictions describe her as holding scimitars, having snake hair, holding a scythe etc”

 

 

Cronus and Rhea, the Golden Age

After dethroning his father, Cronus (“the ripener, the harvest god”) took over the reign of the universe accompanied by his sister and consort, Rhea. The age during which Cronus and Rhea reigned over the cosmos is called the Golden Age in mythology since it was an age of order and prosperity and there was actually no need for any rules and laws to prevent people from behaving immoral.

“The age that man later called the Age of Kronos (Saturn) was remembered with nostalgia as an age of bliss. References to the Age of Kronos in the ancient lore are very numerous.

Hesiod tells of “A golden race of mortal men who lived in the time of Kronos when he was reigning in heaven. And they lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil: miserable age rested not on them . . . The fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint. They dwelt in ease and peace upon their lands with many good things. . .”

Similarly writes Ovid in the sixth book of his Metamorphoses: “In the beginning was the Golden Age, when men of their own accord, without threat of punishment, without laws, maintained good faith and did what was right. . . . The earth itself, without compulsion, untouched by the hoe, unfurrowed by any share, produced all things spontaneously. . . . It was a season of everlasting spring.^”

This was the Great Empire of the Dawn, and the God on Earth was Cronus.  During his 10,000 year reign there was peace and prosperity on the entire Earth.

 

 

Zeus and Cronus

Some time after Cronus’ reign started, Gaia and Uranus told Cronus that he would have a very similar fate to his father and be killed by his own son. Being anxious about this prophecy, Cronus swallowed all his children as soon as they were born. Rhea was not pleased with the situation and she consulted Uranus and Gaia right before the birth of Zeus. They made a plan to save Zeus from Cronus and Gaia gave Rhea a stone (Omphalos Stone) to feed Cronus with.

Rhea tricked Cronus into eating that rock wrapped in clothes thinking it was Zeus. According to the myth Zeus was raised by a goat named Amalthea whereas some myths suggested that he was raised by a nymph called Adamanthea (she hid Zeus by dangling him on a rope from a tree, Odin symbolism) and some myths suggested that his grandmother, Gaia, raised Zeus in a cave.

 

Titanomachy and Imprisonment of the Titans

Zeus grew up and forced Cronus to throw up his siblings one by one by using an emetic that Gaia gave him.  Some accounts told that Zeus actually cut open his father’s stomach to take his siblings out.  A war broke out between Titans and Gods.  The struggle lasted many years, all the might that the Olympians could bring to bear being useless, until on the advice of Gaia, Zeus set free the Cyclops and Hecatonchires from their prison, that they might assist him.  Zeus kills the dragon Campos.  The Cyclops gave Zeus thunderbolts and the hundred-armed giants conquered the Titans by hurling at them three hundred rocks at once, and secured the victory to Zeus, who thrust the Titans into Tartarus and placed the Hecatoncheires at its gates, or, according to others, in the depth of the ocean to guard them.

Zeus and his siblings (there were 13 of them) defeated the Titans in this war called Titanomachy. As the new rulers of the universe, Zeus imprisoned the remaining Titans in Tartarus except Epimetheus, Menoetius, Oceanus, Prometheus and Atlas (It is told in some versions of the myth that Cronus was actually imprisoned separately in the cave of Nyx for eternity).

Zeus is the Bloodstone Emperor/weirwood network.  The Earth-mother Gaia (weirwoods) baby-swapped him, and he was raised by the children of the forest, and went into the weirwood, became a skin-changer.  Returned when he grew up, resurrected the dead, committed blood-betrayal, used the weirwood against the God Emperor to destroy him.  The Collapse of the Great Empire and Reign of the Bloodstone Emperor Begins. The Weirwoods Gaia were behind the whole thing.

 

The Reign of Zeus

Zeus was respected as an allfather who was chief of the gods and assigned the others to their roles: "Even the gods who are not his natural children address him as Father, and all the gods rise in his presence." Zeus' symbols are the thunderbolt, eagle, bull, and oak. Called "cloud-gatherer” “mighty thunderer” (storm god) Zeus is depicted as standing, striding forward with a thunderbolt leveled in his raised right hand, or seated in majesty.

Zeus is a fertility god who many godly and heroic offspring, including Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Hermes, Persephone, Dionysus, Perseus, Heracles, Helen of Troy, Minos, and the Muses.

He communicated through whispering of the leaves of the sacred oak.  He caused the changing of the seasons.

After the battle with the Titans, Zeus shared the world with his elder brothers, Poseidon and Hades, by drawing lots: Zeus got the sky and air, Poseidon the waters, and Hades the world of the dead (the underworld). The ancient Earth, Gaia, could not be claimed; she was left to all three.  The Giants, descendants of Uranus were not pleased with this division and went to war with the Olympians.  Fought another protracted war, Giants were made immune to the Olympians weapons, humans had to intervene to beat them.

“These wars over, there succeeded a period which was called the Silver Age on earth.  Men were rich then, as in the Golden Age under the rule of Kronos, and lived in plenty; but still they wanted the innocence and contentment which were the true sources of human happiness in the former age; and, accordingly, while living in luxury and delicacy, they became overbearing in their manners to the highest degree, were never satisfied, and forgot the gods, to whom, in their confidence of prosperity and comfort, they denied the reverence they owed.  To punish them, and as a warning against such habits, Zeus swept them away and concealed them under the earth, where they continued to live as demons or spirits of the men of the Golden Age, but yet respected by those who came after them.

Then followed the Bronze Age, a period of constant quarrelling and deeds of violence.  Instead of cultivated lands and a life of peaceful occupations and orderly habits, there came a day when everywhere might was right; and men, big and powerful as they were, became physically worn out, and sank into the lower world without leaving a trace of their having existed, and without a claim to a future spiritual life.

Finally came the Iron Age, in which the enfeebled mankind had to toil for bread with their hands, and, bent on gain, did their best to overreach each other.  The goddess of justice and good faith, modesty and truth, turned her back on such scenes, and retired to MountOlympus, while Zeus determined to destroy the human race by a great flood.  The whole of Greece lay under water, and none but Deukalion and his wife Pyrrha were saved.  Leaving the summit of Parnassos, where they had escaped the flood, they were commanded by the gods to become the founders of the new race of men—that is, the present race. . . when the flood had quite disappeared, they commenced to cultivate the land again and spread themselves in all directions.  But being little better than the race that had been destroyed, they too, often drew down the displeasure of Zeus and suffered at his hands.”

Zeus’ reign was marked by the deterioration of the living conditions of mankind, several whole-scale flood genocides of mankind, each generation worse than the last, same as with the Gemstone Emperors.  Either Zeus does not care if we are happy, or he hates us and might want us to suffer.  Because he feeds on human suffering.  Also, Gaia is continually stirring up conflict.

 

 

Bonus section

 

In Hades

 

Erinyes, ("to raise, stir, excite strife") or Furies, who were older than the gods. . . They were hags, with snaky hair, red-hot eyes, and yellow teeth. 

They were greatly feared; no one dared say their name.  But they were refered to as the “Eumenides,” or Kindly Ones.  Hades valued them.  They enriched Hades kingdom, for their attentions persuaded people to suicide.” 

Their names were : Alecto ("endless"), Megaera ("jealous rage"), and Tisiphone ("vengeful destruction"),

“The Erinyes live in Erebus and are more ancient deities than any of the Olympians. Their task is to hear complaints brought by mortals against the insolence of the young to the aged, of children to parents, of hosts to guests, and of householders or city councils to suppliants - and to punish such crimes by hounding culprits relentlessly. The Erinyes are crones and, depending upon authors, described as having snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal black bodies, bat's wings, and blood-shot eyes. In their hands they carry brass-studded scourges, and their victims die in torment.”

Pretty clear reference to the House of Black and White and the Many-Faced God

 

Harpies are guardians of the underworld, wind spirits, sometimes live in a cave, abduct people and torture them, in short they represent the Weirwoods.  Mereen is worshipping the weirwoods, they love slavery

 

The Hesperides and the Tree of Golden Apples

For a wedding present for her marriage to Zeus, Gaia gave Hera a tree that bore golden apples.  Eating of the apple granted immortality, and Hera knew she could not trust Zeus to not give away the apples to whatever girl he was courting at the time.  So she hid the tree on the island where Atlas supports the sky, and his three daughters the Hesperides guard the tree.  "These lush and fragrant dryads made better guards than any dragon or three-headed dog or sea-serpent for such monsters could be killed or chained or outwitted, but no one could get past the nymphs."  Because men could not resist them, and they would dance with the girls and get pushed off a cliff and into the sea.

"They did this all under the eye of their father, Atlas, who groaned occasionally under his burden, or stamped his foot, making the earth shake, or shrugged his shoulders, making comets fall.  These strange storms of the Titan's grief gave the island a bad name; fisherman avoided it, and sailors.  Other dark secrets came to be buried here with the Nymphs of the West, and they guarded them with the same fatal skill with which they guraded the golden apples."

Heracles first caught the Old Man of the Sea, the shape-shifting sea god, to learn where the Garden of the Hesperides was located.

Atlas and the tree both represent the weirwood.  Atlas is similar to Yggdrasil holding up the sky.  He causes storms and comets to fall.

 

 

 

[must needs the rushes]

I like a lot about your theory, and I'd be terribly dissatisfied if ASOIAF wound up "just fantasy" (magic of the gaps = weak storytelling). However, Planetos is too large to be ancient Earth, as evidenced by Jaenara Belaerys in her journey into Sothoryos. If 3 years on dragonback didn't even get her to the south pole, much less around the other side, it isn't Earth.

[Dorian Martell's son]

12 hours ago, By Odin's Beard said:

<snip>

Dude, you are writing your own completely separate story. Just do that instead of trying to rewrite ASOIAF

11 hours ago, redriver said:

Didn't GRRM say it was fantasy not science fiction?

 

8 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Yup, he did. 

 

9 hours ago, Kandrax said:

We need the sixth book.

At 40 pages, Odin's beard has written more of his own story than GRRM has written for winds. Oh the Irony 

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

Here are a few tidbits about Meso-American mythology, because it explains one of the glyphs found in the DragonstoneCave, the spiral with triangles on the outside

 Cragorn's tattoos

Dragonstone cave carvings spiral

Wind breastplate

 

Meso-American Mythology

Huitzilopochtli

 

Earth-mother Coatlicue was impregnated by a ball of feathers that fell from the sky.  Her sister Coyolxauhqui and her 400 rabbit brothers discovered she was pregnant and were outraged, the 400 brothers went to kill Coatlicue.  One brother defected and warned Coatlicue of the attack.  Right as the brothers reached the summit of the snake mountain, baby Huitzilopochtli emerged from Coatlicue and with a flaming serpent sword killed all 400 brothers and sister Coyolxauhqui.  Their heads were thrown into the sky and Coyolxauhqui became the moon, and the 400 brothers the stars.

The story of Huitzilopochtli seems to be depicting some version of the war against the Great Empire of the Dawn, the 400 brothers and 1 sister were the Great Empire that tried to kill off the weirwoods, but Huitzilopochtli (the Bloodstone Emperor) committed blood betrayal, and murdered all of his brothers and sisters.

 

Quetzlcoatl

The feathered serpent, (mistranslation of a smooth barked tree with leaves?) god of wind, Venus and of light and the dawn (Morningstar deity), crafts and knowledge, priesthood, symbolized by spiral pattern (he wears around his neck the "the Wind God’s breastplate" ehecailacocozcatl, "the spirally voluted wind jewel" made of a conch shell. This talisman was a conch shell cut at the cross-section and was likely worn as a necklace by religious rulers) and potentially symbolized patterns witnessed in hurricanes, dust devils, seashells, and whirlpools, which were elemental forces that had significance in Aztec mythology.

(I think “the spirally voluted wind jewel” represents the weirwoods, as does the whorl glyph, swastika)
 

 “As the god of life, Quetzalcoatl appears as the constant benefactor of mankind. He discovered corn, and gave the grain to man. He taught man how to polish jade, how to weave, and how to do mosaic work with feathers. But above all he taught man science, thereby endowing him with the means to measure time and study the movements of the stars. He taught him how to arrange the calendar and devised ceremonies and fixed certain days for prayers and sacrifices. In short, Quetzalcoatl was the very essence of saintliness. His life of fasting and penitence, his priestly character, and his benevolence toward his children–mankind–are evident in the material that has been preserved for us in the sixteenth century Spanish chronicles and in the picture writings of the indigenous manuscripts.”

He is represented by various animals including snakes, crows, the harpy, and the wind itself.

Quetzalcoatl was one of several important gods in the Aztec pantheon, along with the gods Tlaloc, Tezcatlipoca and Huitzilopochtli. Two other gods represented by the planet Venus are Quetzalcoatl's ally Tlaloc who is the god of rain, and Quetzalcoatl's twin and psychopomp, who is named Xolotl.

Maya serpent imagery is also prevalent: a snake is often seen as the embodiment of the sky itself, and a vision serpent is a shamanic helper presenting Maya kings with visions of the underworld.

(snakes are tree roots)

the Feathered Serpent was part of a triad of agricultural deities: the Goddess of the Cave symbolizing motherhood, reproduction and life, Tlaloc, god of rain, lightning and thunder and the feathered serpent, god of vegetational renewal.

He was a creator deity having contributed essentially to the creation of Mankind. He also had anthropomorphic forms,

Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star, and his twin brother Xolotl was the evening star (Venus). As the morning star, he was known as "lord of the star of the dawn." He was known as the inventor of books and the calendar, the giver of maize (corn) to mankind, and sometimes as a symbol of death and resurrection. Quetzalcoatl was also the patron of the priests.  Some legends describe him as opposed to human sacrifice while others describe him practicing it.

 

Coatlicue

In one story Quetzalcoatl was born from Coatlicue (“skirt of snakes” earth mother goddess), who already had four hundred children who formed the stars of the Milky Way.  (Weirwoods spread throughout the galaxy?)

Coatlicue “is represented as a woman wearing a skirt of writhing snakes and a necklace made of human hearts, hands, and skulls. Her feet and hands are adorned with claws and her breasts are depicted as hanging flaccid from pregnancy. Her face is formed by two facing serpents (after her head was cut off and the blood spurt forth from her neck in the form of two gigantic serpents), referring to the myth that she was sacrificed during the beginning of the present creation. 

Snakes coming out of body parts was an Aztec convention for squirting blood. Coatlicue has in fact been decapitated, and her snaky head represents the blood squirting from her severed neck. Her arms are also formed of snake heads, suggesting she was dismembered there as well.  They represent streaming blood, which was a precious liquid connoting fertility. With her willing sacrifice, Coatlicue enabled life to continue.

Most Aztec artistic representations of this goddess emphasize her deadly side, because Earth, as well as loving mother, is the insatiable monster that consumes everything that lives. She represents the devouring mother, in whom both the womb and the grave exist.”

In another sculpture her face is partly skeletonized and de-fleshed. Her nose is missing, revealing the cavity. Yet she still has flesh on her lips, which are open to reveal bared teeth.

 

Cycle of Life and Death

Most Mesoamerican beliefs included cycles of suns. Often our current time was considered the fifth sun, the previous four having been destroyed by flood, fire and the like. Quetzalcoatl went to Mictlan, the underworld, and created fifth-world mankind from the bones of the previous races (with the help of Cihuacoatl), using his own blood, from a wound he inflicted on his earlobes, calves, tongue, and penis, to imbue the bones with new life.
 

It is said Quetzalcoatl was coerced by Tezcatlipoca into becoming drunk on pulque, cavorting with his sister, Quetzalpetlatl, a celibate priestess, and neglecting their religious duties. (Many academics conclude this passage implies incest.) The next morning, Quetzalcoatl, feeling shame and regret, had his servants build him a stone chest, adorn him in turquoise, and then, laying in the chest, set himself on fire. His ashes rose into the sky and then his heart followed, becoming the morning star.

 

Xolotl

 was the god with associations to both lightning and death. He was associated with the sunset and would guard the Sun as it traveled through the underworld every night. Dogs were associated with Xolotl. This deity and a dog were believed to lead the soul on its journey to the underworld. He was commonly depicted as a monstrous dog. Xolotl was the god of fire and lightning. He was also god of twins, monsters, misfortune, sickness, and deformities. Xolotl is the canine brother and twin of Quetzalcoatl, the pair being sons of the virgin Coatlicue. He is the dark personification of Venus, the evening star, and was associated with heavenly fire.

His job was to protect the sun from the dangers of the underworld. As a double of Quetzalcoatl, he carries his conch-like ehecailacacozcatl or wind jewel. Xolotl accompanied Quetzalcoatl to Mictlan, the land of the dead, or the underworld, to retrieve the bones from those who inhabited the previous world (Nahui Atl) to create new life for the present world,

Empty eye sockets (Euron)

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·         The Weirwoods are Coatlicue, Garth Greenhand is Quetzlcoatl, the Night’s King is Xolotl, but they are all just aspects of the one true god, the Weirwood Network

·         Quetzlcoatl, born of the inter-stellar Weirwood mother Coatlicue, gives civilization to mankind, instructed him in the proper method of worship, then after a giving length of time, his twin brother destroys civilization, but takes extra care to make sure his brother Queztlcoatl is safe and sound in the underworld, ready to start the cycle again.

·         The Weirwood mother is “the insatiable monster that consumes everything that lives”

·         Clear parallels between the Starks and Xolotl also, stern cold characters of death and judgment.  Xolotl is depicted as a man with a wolf’s head, Bran as Fenrir who will consume everyone at Ragnarok

 

Meso-American World Tree

In the Mesoamerican context, world trees embodied the four cardinal directions, which also serve to represent the fourfold nature of a central world tree, a symbolic axis mundi which connects the planes of the Underworld and the sky with that of the terrestrial realm.

Depictions of world trees, both in their directional and central aspects, are found in the art and mythological traditions of cultures such as the Maya, Aztec, Izapan, Mixtec, Olmec, and others, dating to at least the Mid/Late Formative periods of Mesoamerican chronology. Among the Maya, the central world tree was conceived as or represented by a ceiba tree. The trunk of the tree could also be represented by an upright caiman, whose skin evokes the tree's spiny trunk.  (The Reed’s sigil is an alligator)
 

World trees are frequently depicted with birds in their branches, and their roots extending into earth or water (sometimes atop a "water-monster", symbolic of the underworld).

The central world tree has also been interpreted as a representation of the band of the Milky Way.

 

 

[John Suburbs]

15 hours ago, By Odin's Beard said:

“One voice may speak you false, but in many there is always truth to be found.”

 

Here is my take on ASOIAF—it is a of post-apocalyptic science-fiction story, but the twist is that it takes place on our Earth, in our timeline, in our past.  It is euhemerism, a garbled, half-remembered, fragmented, mistranslated account of the real human history on Earth which weaves together many of the common mythologies/conspiracy theories of early and modern humans.  It is a grand-unifying conspiracy theory that unites Ancient Aliens, pagan gods, magic/sorcery, Dragons, human sacrifice, Sacred Trees, prophecy, the Flood myth, the Afterlife, etc., into a coherent narrative—which is that they all are describing some version of true events from human history filtered through the lens of Iron Age humans who had very little understanding of what they were witnessing from a time when magic really existed before a cataclysmic flood which wiped out most of the humans and marked the end of “magic” on Earth.

 

For a while I had the idea that the story takes place in our future: after our science is able to genetically create dragons, cotf, giants, others, etc., plus powers like greensight and shadow magic, then civilization crashes and all of these things go native while mankind re-evolves itself out of another stone age and into the feudal period we see in the books, except this time the magic and dragons are real.

Alas, the fact is there are seven wandering stars in the night sky, not five. So even on the outside chance that the world knows about Uranus (har!), which is only visible to the naked eye on very rare occasions way, way, way north or south, that still leaves us a wanderer short.

So unless someone can come up with a valid reason as to why there are seven visible planets in the solar system, I think we can safely rule out Planetos as being Earth, particularly if the idea is to set the story in the Earth's past.

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

I should have posted this one first.  Maybe the other wanderer is a nod to Nibiru, see the section on the Annunaki below.  Anyway according to this theory early humans got their knowledge of astronomy from advanced interstellar aliens.

 

Mesopotamian mythology

Sumerian Creation Myth

From the epic of Gilgamesh, “originally, there was only Nammu, the primeval sea. Then, Nammu gave birth to An, the sky, and Ki, the earth. An and Ki mated with each other, causing Ki to give birth to Enlil.  Enlil separated An from Ki and carried off the earth as his domain, while An carried off the sky.  Enlil was one of the Annunaki "offspring of An"  Meaning he came from the sky.

Enlil was called "Lord Storm" was the ancient Mesopotamian god of wind, air, earth, and storms. He is the chief deity.  Possesses the tablets of destiny, brought civilization and agriculture to humans.

Enlil and Ninlil

Ninlil is the "lady of the open field" or "Lady of the Wind" “a goddess of barley”

Ninlil goes to the river, where Enlil seduces her and impregnates her with their son, Nanna, the future moon god. As punishment Enlil was dispatched to the underworld kingdom of Ereshkigal, where Ninlil joined him. Enlil impregnated her disguised as the gatekeeper, where upon she gave birth to their son Nergal, god of death. In a similar manner she conceived the underworld god Ninazu when Enlil impregnated her disguised as the man of the river of the nether world, a man-devouring river. Later Enlil disguised himself as the man of the boat, impregnating her with a fourth deity Enbilulu, god of rivers and canals. Enlil is the oldest known myth in which a god changes shape.  In some texts Ninlil is also the mother of Ninurta, the heroic god who slew Anzu the demon with his mace, Sharur.  Ninlil may be origin of the myth of the demon Lilith. 

Lilith

Babylonian Lilith is often envisioned as a dangerous demon of the night, who is sexually wanton, and who steals babies in the darkness. translated as "night creatures", "night monster", "night hag", or "screech owl"

Sumerian poem of Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and the Netherworld.  The Lilith is associated with a serpent and a zu bird.   A huluppu tree grows in Inanna's garden in Uruk, whose wood she plans to use to build a new throne. After ten years of growth, she comes to harvest it and finds a serpent living at its base, a Zu bird raising young in its crown, and that a Lilith made a house in its trunk. Gilgamesh is said to have killed the snake, and then the zu bird flew away to the mountains with its young, while the Lilith fearfully destroys its house and runs for the forest.

Suggested translations for the spirit in the tree include "sacred place", "spirit" "water spirit" but also simply "owl", given that the lil is building a home in the trunk of the tree.

The first god was the Storm Lord, fertility god, brought civilization to mankind, went to the underworld, created the gods of death, was a shapeshifter.  His wife may have been associated with living a sacred magical tree that grew underground, with snakes.  They were the weirwoods.

Ninurta vs Anzu

Anzû was depicted as a massive bird who can breathe fire and water, although Anzû is alternately depicted as a lion-headed eagle.  He is a monstrous demon, so hideous that his presence alone makes fish boil alive in the rivers.  He was said to be accompanied into battle by an army of rock demon offspring—born of his union with the mountains themselves.

In the myth of Anzû and the Tablet of Destinies, the Anzû, the giant, monstrous bird, betrays Enlil and steals the Tablet of Destinies, a sacred clay tablet belonging to Enlil that grants him his authority, while Enlil is preparing for a bath. The rivers dry up and the gods are stripped of their powers. The gods send Adad, Gerra, and Shara to defeat the Anzû, but all of them fail. Finally, Ea proposes that the gods should send Ninurta, Enlil's son. Ninurta successfully defeats the Anzû using Sharur, his enchanted talking mace, and returns the Tablet of Destinies to his father. As a reward, Ninurta is a granted a prominent seat on the council of the gods.

(The story of Marduk vs Tiamat follows this story very closely)

Anzu the dragon is the God on Earth from the Great Empire.  He showed up and being more powerful than the weirwoods became the chief diety on Earth.  The weirwoods could not defeat him, magical hammer was required.   Ninurta kills Anzu, recovers the tablets of destiny for the weirwoods. 

 

Flood myth

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Enlil the storm god causes the flood, seeking to annihilate every living thing on earth because the humans, who are vastly overpopulated, make too much noise and prevent him from sleeping. In this version of the story, the hero is Utnapishtim, who is warned ahead of time by Ea, the Babylonian equivalent of Enki, that the flood is coming. The flood lasts for seven days; when it ends, Ishtar, who had mourned the destruction of humanity, promises Utnapishtim that Enlil will never cause a flood again. When Enlil sees that Utnapishtim and his family have survived, he is outraged, but his son Ninurta speaks up in favor of humanity, arguing that, instead of causing floods, Enlil should simply ensure that humans never become overpopulated by reducing their numbers using wild animals and famines. Enlil goes into the boat; Utnapishtim and his wife bow before him. Enlil, now appeased, grants Utnapishtim immortality as a reward for his loyalty to the gods.

Enlil the weirwood hates humans, we are a huge nuisance, tries to kill us all.  Is mad when a few survive.  Promises that in the future he will merely torture use to death instead of mass drowning.

 

Annunaki

"princely offspring" or "offspring of An (the sky god)"

Were the most powerful deities in the pantheon, descendants of An, the god of the heavens, and their primary function is to decree the fates of humanity.  the Anunnaki appear to have been heavenly deities with immense powers.

The Anunnaki are portrayed as seven judges who sit before the throne of Ereshkigal in the Underworld.

Descriptions of how many Anunnaki there were and what role they fulfilled are inconsistent and often contradictory.

The Anunnaki were believed to be the chthonic deities of the Underworld, while the gods of the heavens were known as the Igigi. The ancient Hittites identified the Anunnaki as the oldest generation of gods, who had been overthrown and banished to the Underworld by the younger gods. The Anunnaki have featured prominently in works of modern pseudohistory, such as the books of Zecharia Sitchin, and in conspiracy theories, such as those of David Icke.

They were thought to possess extraordinary powers and were often envisioned as being of tremendous physical size. The deities typically wore melam, an ambiguous substance which "covered them in terrifying splendor". Melam could also be worn by heroes, kings, giants, and even demons. The effect that seeing a deity's melam has on a human is described as ni, a word for the physical tingling of the flesh. Deities were almost always depicted wearing horned caps, consisting of up to seven superimposed pairs of ox-horns. They were also sometimes depicted wearing clothes with elaborate decorative gold and silver ornaments sewn into them.  They were Horned lords

“the Igigi are the sixth generation of the gods who are forced to perform labor for the Anunnaki. After forty days, the Igigi rebel and the god Enki, one of the Anunnaki, creates humans to replace them.”

In the middle Babylonian period there were only 3 Annunaki

In the standard Akkadian Epic of Gilgamesh (c. 1200 BC) Utnapishtim, the immortal survivor of the Great Flood, describes the Anunnaki as seven judges of the Underworld, who set the land aflame as the storm approaches. Later, when the flood comes, Ishtar (the East Semitic equivalent to Inanna) and the Anunnaki mourn over the destruction of humanity.

In one myth, the gods are threatened by the stone giant Ullikummi (which sounds like a meteor or comet), the Annunaki find an ancient weapon that was used to separate the heavens from the earth. They find it and use it to destroy Ullikummi with the help of the storm god.

The Annunaki are the norns who live under Yggdrasil, and decree the fates of men, hold the tablets of destiny

 

“In his 1976 book The Twelfth Planet, Russian-American author Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were actually a race of extraterrestrial beings from the undiscovered planet Nibiru, who came to Earth around 500,000 years ago in order to mine gold.  According to Sitchin, the Anunnaki genetically engineered homo erectus to create modern humans to work as their slaves and built the major monuments of the ancient world, including the Egyptian pyramids. Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were forced to leave Earth when Antarctic glaciers melted, causing the Flood of Noah, which also destroyed all evidence of the Anunnaki's bases on Earth.  Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki had left behind human-alien hybrids, some of whom may still be alive today, unaware of their alien ancestry. Sitchin expanded on this mythology in later works, including The Stairway to Heaven (1980) and The Wars of Gods and Men (1985). In The End of Days: Armageddon and the Prophecy of the Return (2007), Sitchin predicted that the Anunnaki would return to earth, possibly as soon as 2012, corresponding to the end of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar.

 

Sitchin's writings have been universally rejected by mainstream historians, who have labelled his books as pseudohistory, pointing out that Sitchin seemingly deliberately misrepresents Sumerian texts by quoting them out of context, truncating quotations, and mistranslating Sumerian words to give them radically different meanings from their accepted definitions. Nonetheless, because Sitchin worked in the shadow of Erich von Däniken's more widely publicized Chariots of the Gods?, he managed to escape the notice of debunkers, allowing his theories to become more influential. Although Sitchin himself described the Anunnaki as humanoids, in a book published in 1994, the conspiracy theorist Arthur Horn proposed that they were actually reptilians. British conspiracy theorist David Icke further expanded on this thesis by claiming that the surviving alien bloodlines mentioned by Sitchin were the "Brotherhood of Babylon", a race of shape-shifting, reptilian aliens who secretly control all the governments of the world and keep humans enslaved, using the Illuminati as one of their chess pieces.”

 

 

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

Hindu Mythology

Endless repeating cycle of existence, that cosmos and life we experience is continually created, evolved, dissolved and then re-created.

Brahman

Ajna Chakra, opening your third eye, “People who are claimed to have the capacity to utilize their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.” “In Hindu tradition, it signifies the subconscious mind, the direct link to the brahman. While a person's two eyes see the physical world, the third eye is believed to reveal insights about the future. The third eye chakra is said to connect people to their intuition, give them the ability to communicate with the world, or help them receive messages from the past and the future.”  “allowing mind communication between two people. Meditation upon Ajna supposedly grants siddhi, or occult powers, to quickly enter another body at will and to become omniscient.”

All-seeing eye, Eye or Ra, eye of providence, Third Eye

 

Deva means "heavenly, divine, terrestrial things of high excellence, exalted, shining ones" "celestial" or "shining", In some medieval Indian literature, Devas are also referred to as Suras and contrasted with their equally powerful but malevolent half-brothers, referred to as the Asuras”   Asura means “lord, prince, powerful spirit, god”

“Everyone starts as an Asura in Hindu mythology, born of the same father. "Asuras who remain Asura" share the character of powerful beings obsessed with their craving for more power, more wealth, ego, anger, unprincipled nature, force and violence. The "Asuras who become Devas" in contrast are driven by an inner voice, seek understanding and meaning, prefer moderation, principled behavior, morals, knowledge and harmony.

 

Vedic Tradition

Indra

is a Vedic deity in Hinduism, a guardian deity in Buddhism.  Name could mean “rain drop, equipped with great power, kindle, strong, igniter (light bringer), it seeing (saw the Brahmin, spied the runes), most manly, hero”

His mythologies and powers are similar, though not identical to those of the Indo-European deities such as Zeus, Jupiter, Perun, Thor, and Odin (Wotan).

Indra is the king of Svarga (Heaven) and the Devas.

He is the god of lightning, thunder, storms, rains and river flows. He is celebrated for his powers, and the one who kills the great symbolic evil (Asura) named Vritra who obstructs human prosperity and happiness. Indra destroys Vritra and his "deceiving forces", and thereby brings rains and the sunshine as the friend of mankind

His importance diminishes in the post-Vedic Indian literature where he is depicted as a powerful hero but one who is getting in trouble with his drunken, hedonistic and adulterous ways, and the god who disturbs Hindu monks as they meditate because he fears self-realized human beings may become more powerful than him

wields a lightning thunderbolt known as Vajra, riding on a white elephant known as Airavata with 3 or 5 heads.

 

Indra is of ancient but unclear origin. Aspects of Indra as a deity are cognate to other Indo-European gods; they are either thunder gods such as Thor, Perun, and Zeus who share parts of his heroic mythologies, act as king of gods, and all are linked to "rain and thunder". The similarities between Indra of Hindu mythologies and of Thor of Nordic and Germanic mythologies are significant, states Max Muller. Both Indra and Thor are storm gods, with powers over lightning and thunder, both carry hammer or equivalent, for both the weapon returns to their hand after they hurl it, both are associated with bulls in the earliest layer of respective texts, both use thunder as a battle-cry, both are heroic leaders, both protectors of mankind, both are described with legends about "milking the cloud-cows", both are benevolent giants, gods of strength, of life, of marriage and the healing gods, both are worshipped in respective texts on mountains and in forests.

"smasher of the enclosure" (of Vritra, Vala) "impeller of streams" (the liberated rivers, "agitator of the waters")

He was associated more than any other deity with Soma, an intoxicating mixture of honey and blood of Quoasir, which, in Norse mythology imparts prolonged life to the gods.  It gives strength to Indra, enables him to conquer Vritra.

 

The friend of mankind who holds the different tribes on earth together. . . the hymns are referring to the snaking thunderstorm clouds that gather with bellowing winds (Vritra), Indra is then seen as the storm god who intervenes in these clouds with his thunderbolts, which then release the rains nourishing the parched land, crops and thus humanity. In another interpretation, Indra is a symbolic sun god (Surya) and Vritra is a symbolic winter-giant (historic mini cycles of ice age, cold) in the earliest, not the later, hymns of Rigveda. The Vritra is an ice-demon of colder central Asia and northern latitudes, who holds back the water. Indra is the one who releases the water from the winter demon, an idea that later metamorphosed into his role as storm god. According to Griswold, this is not a completely convincing interpretation, because Indra is simultaneously a lightning god, a rain god and a river-helping god in the Vedas. Further, the Vritra demon that Indra slew is best understood as any obstruction, whether it be clouds that refuse to release rain or mountains or snow that hold back the water

Indra is often presented as the twin brother of Agni (fire) Yet, he is also presented to be the same, "Thou Agni, art Indra, a bull among all beings; thou art the wide-ruling Vishnu, worthy of adoration. Thou art the Brahman" He is also part of one of many Vedic trinities as "Agni, Indra and Surya", representing the "creator-maintainer-destroyer" aspects of existence in Hindu thought

 

the Storm God, fertility god (with his thunderbolt weapon), drinks weirwood paste and  defeats Vtitra dragon god, creates the Dawn

 

Vritra

“In the early Vedic religion, Vritra  'enveloper' is a serpent or dragon, the personification of drought and adversary of Indra. In Hinduism, Vritra is identified as an Asura. Vritra was also known in the Vedas as Ahi 'snake'  He appears as a dragon blocking the course of the rivers and is heroically slain by Indra.”

“Asura Ahi”

“May he, gold-handed Asura, kind leader, come hither to us with his help and favour.
Driving off Raksasas and Yatudhanas, [he] the god is present, praised in hymns at evening”

(Jaime Lannister is Azor Ahai?)

 

Vritra is the world serpent, the night’s king

 

Rakshasas “were most often depicted as ugly, fierce-looking and enormous creatures, with two fangs protruding from the top of the mouth and having sharp, claw-like fingernails. They are shown as being mean, growling like beasts, and as insatiable cannibals that could smell the scent of human flesh. Some of the more ferocious ones were shown with flaming red eyes and hair, drinking blood with their palms or from a human skull (similar to representations of vampires in later Western mythology). Generally they could fly, vanish, and had Maya (magical powers of illusion), which enabled them to change size at will and assume the form of any creature.”

“Some of the rakshasas were said to be man-eaters, and made their gleeful appearance when the slaughter on a battlefield was at its worst.”

 

Ravana is the mythical multi-headed demon-king of Lanka in Hindu mythology. With ten heads and twenty arms, Ravana could change into any form he wished. Representing the very essence of evil, he famously fought and ultimately lost a series of epic battles against the hero Rama, seventh avatar of Vishnu.

Ravana was a terrible demon (raksasa) who was the king of all demons and of the fortress islandof Lanka (modern-day Sri Lanka). Ravana acquired his throne through foul means when he expelled his half-brother Kubera, god of wealth, from the island. Rava had many sons, notably Aksa, who had three heads, symbolic of the three stages of fever (heat, cold, and sweating), and Indrajit (aka Meghanada), who could make himself invisible.

Ravana had a formidable appearance with his ten heads and twenty arms. His body was covered in scars, won in endless battles with the gods. Three wounds, in particular, were from the discus of Vishnu, the thunderbolt of Indra, and the tusk of Airavata, the elephant of Indra. Through his devotion and penance to the great god Brahma, Ravana was made invincible and had the power to assume any form he wished from men to mountains to death itself. He was so powerful that he could cause earthquakes and storms. However, it was foretold that Ravana’s end would come because of a woman, and so it would be.  

 

Rakshasa, and particularly Ravana  are anthropomorphized weirwood trees

 

Yakshini (female) are mythical fertility goddesses, who are frequently depicted alongside the ashoka tree.  The Yakshini may be benevolent or evil, they guard treasure buried in the earth. 

Yaksha (male) are a broad class of nature-spirits, usually benevolent, but sometimes mischievous and sexually aggressive or capricious caretakers of the natural treasures hidden in the earth and tree roots. On the one hand, a yakṣa may be an inoffensive nature-fairy, associated with woods and mountains; but there is also a darker version of the yakṣa, which is a kind of ghost (bhuta) that haunts the wilderness and waylays and devours travelers, similar to the rakṣasas.

“They are common as guardians of the gates in Buddhist temples . . . They are mostly depicted with a characteristic face, having big round bulging eyes and protruding fangs, as well as a green complexion.”

 

Yakshini are children of the forest

 

Hindu World Tree

Asvattha

According to Hindu mythology the Sacred Fig, is a sacred tree for the Hindus. Buddhist texts term the tree as Bodhi tree

Ashvattha is a name of Shiva and Vishnu; this name is derived from the terms, “shva” (tomorrow) and “stha” (that which remains). 

“the eternal Asvattha tree with its root upwards and branches downwards, which is the pure immortal Brahman, in which all these worlds are situated, and beyond which there is nothing else. Krishna tells us that the Asvattha tree having neither end nor beginning nor stationariness whatsoever has its roots upwards and branches downwards whose branches are nourished by the Gunas and whose infinite roots spread in the form of action in the human world which though strong are to be cut off by the forceful weapon of detachment to seek the celestial abode from which there is no return. The former teaches that the Asvattha tree is real being identical with Brahman and therefore impossible to cut-off; the latter insists that the Asvattha tree must be regarded as unreal being identical with existence which needs to be cut-off.”

“the very many advantages to be secured from reverentially approaching and worshipping the Ashvattha”

Bodhi Tree

In Buddhist mythology it was a large and very old sacred fig tree under which the Buddha is said to have attained enlightenment.  the Bodhi Tree is recognizable by its heart-shaped leaves.

“meditated without moving from his seat for seven days under this tree.”

Bodhi in Buddhism is the understanding possessed by a Buddha regarding the true nature of things. It is traditionally translated into English with the word enlightenment, although its literal meaning is closer to "awakening". The verbal root "budh" means to awaken.

 

Hindu flood myth

In the story of Manu, the destruction of the world is treated as part of the natural order of things, rather than as a divine punishment.

The Shatapatha Brahmana recounts how Manu was warned by a fish, to whom he had done a kindness, that a flood would destroy the whole of humanity. He therefore built a boat, as the fish advised. When the flood came, he tied this boat to the fish’s horn and was safely steered to a resting place on a mountaintop. When the flood receded, Manu, the sole human survivor, performed a sacrifice, pouring oblations of butter and sour milk into the waters. After a year there was born from the waters a woman who announced herself as “the daughter of Manu.” These two then became the ancestors of a new human race to replenish the earth. In the Mahabharata (“Great Epic of the Bharata Dynasty”), the fish is identified with the god Brahma, while in the Puranas (“Ancient Lore”) it is Matsya, the fish incarnation of Lord Vishnu.

In the cosmological speculations of later Hinduism, a day in the life of Brahma is divided into 14 periods called manvantara, each of which lasts for 306,720,000 years. In every secondary cycle the world is re-created, and a new Manu appears to become the father of the next human race. The present age is considered the seventh Manu cycle.

 

Brahaman Tradition

Trimurti, the Hindu trinity that includes three Devas: Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.

Vishu

Vishnu is the "preserver" in the Trimurti

Vishnu is identical to the formless metaphysical concept called Brahman, the supreme, who takes various avatars as "the preserver, protector" whenever the world is threatened with evil, chaos, and destructive forces. His avatars most notably include Rama ("charming, beautiful, lovely" or "darkness, night", personifies the characteristics of an ideal person) and Krishna (god of compassion, tenderness, and love).

Vishnu is usually depicted as having a dark, or pale blue complexion and having four arms. He holds a lotus flower in his lower left hand, mace in his lower right hand, conch in his upper left hand and the discus in his upper right hand. A traditional depiction is Vishnu reclining on the coils of the serpent Shesha, accompanied by his consort Lakshmi, as he "dreams the universe into reality".

"one who is everything and inside everything"  "all pervasive"

 

Shiva

Shiva is the "destroyer of evil and the transformer" within the Trimurti,  Shiva is the Supreme being who creates, protects and transforms the universe. 

Shiva is formless, limitless, transcendent and unchanging absolute Brahman, and the primal Atman (soul, self) of the universe. Shiva has many benevolent and fearsome depictions. In benevolent aspects, he is depicted as an omniscient Yogi who lives an ascetic life on MountKailash as well as a householder with wife Parvati and his two children, Ganesha and Kartikeya. In his fierce aspects, he is often depicted slaying demons. Shiva is also known as Adiyogi Shiva, regarded as the patron god of yoga, meditation and arts.

serpent around his neck, the adorning crescent moon, the holy river Ganga flowing from his matted hair, the third eye on his forehead, the trishula as his weapon and the damaru

Shiva is the "destroyer of evil and the transformer" Shiva is the Supreme being who creates, protects and transforms the universe. means "in whom all things lie, pervasiveness"

“the Red one”

 

Brahma

is a creator god in Hinduism. He has four faces. Brahma is also known as “self-born” “Lord of Speech”, and the creator of the four Vedas, one from each of his mouths.

They describe him emerging from a lotus, connected to the navel of Lord Vishnu. Other Puranas suggest that he is born from Shiva or his aspects, or he is a supreme god in diverse versions of Hindu mythology. Brahma, along with all deities, is sometimes viewed as a form of the otherwise formless Brahman, the ultimate metaphysical reality in Vedantic Hinduism.

 

The Trimurti are the three aspects of the weirwood

[kissdbyfire]

@By Odin's Beard, hi again.

All the info on different mythologies and stuff you are posting have been picked apart several times over the years... And you are right, there are loads of good stuff to be found in these and in lots of other things as well. Like, History, comic books, literature in general, etc. 

Now, can we use that sort of thing as clues? Is it going to help us figure things out? And here is where mileages vary greatly. Imo these are surplus clues, so to speak. They can give us insight into a whole bunch of stuff, but readers who don't have any of that info whatsoever will also be able to solve mysteries w/ the 'plain' clues/hints/foreshadowing.