Prince Yourwetdream Aeryn Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Ned thinks that Mountain should be punished for what he did in Riverlands. Mountain comes to court and demands a trial by combat. Loras wants to be champion. How would Ned react? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 If he was smart he would refuse because sending Lord Tyrells son to his swift death doesn't sound like the best idea. If I was Ned I would chose Ser Jamie because either way the mountain dies either Jamie kills him which IMO Jamie is one of very few people who actually could kill the mountain or Tywin does behind closes doors for killing his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, RedGrace that was promised said: Ned thinks that Mountain should be punished for what he did in Riverlands. Mountain comes to court and demands a trial by combat. Loras wants to be champion. How would Ned react? Ned would react the same as when he sent beric into the riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Trial by combat is always iffy. In some places where it should be obvious to use, it isn't even considered but apparently you can demand it towards the end of your trial if you decide it's not going your way. Either way, Ned Stark is the accuser, and as kingsguard Jaime would only be honorbound to champion if the crown was the accuser. So that wouldn't work, he'd have to give Loras what he wants however much he doesn't like it and how much it'll piss off the Tyrells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 26 minutes ago, Dorian Martell's son said: Ned would react the same as when he sent beric into the riverlands. Honestly I think he'd just throw him in jail pending Tywin's arrival, if possible. I don't know what would happen to Tywin but he already strips Gregor of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Lannister said: Either way, Ned Stark is the accuser, and as kingsguard Jaime would only be honorbound to champion if the crown was the accuser. Not quite. Lord Eddard Stark, Hand of the King, was acting in Robert's stead when he pronounced punishment for Gregor Clegane (false knight). In this office, Ned could indeed select a member of the King's Guard as the Iron Throne's representative in a trial by combat. It seems definite that Gregor would demand one, since he's clearly guilty and he's sure that he can defeat anyone. (Quick edit: Given that the situation is "Ser Gregor Clegane v The Iron Throne", then picking a current member of the Kings Guard seems to be a requirement. That would pre-empt Loras Tyrell, who probably wouldn't be grateful.) Whatever the outcome of the proposed "trial" between Gregor and Jaime, Tywin Lannister would be enraged and swear vengeance on House Stark. Either he loses his biggest mad dog, or his golden son and heir. So selecting Jaime might not be the smartest thing. I'd recommend Barristan Selmy. Incredibly skilled, old, wily. There's a hypothetical match-up between Selmy and the big Clegane on the Tower of the Hand website that's pretty compelling - and oddly amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 52 minutes ago, zandru said: Not quite. Lord Eddard Stark, Hand of the King, was acting in Robert's stead when he pronounced punishment for Gregor Clegane (false knight). In this office, Ned could indeed select a member of the King's Guard as the Iron Throne's representative in a trial by combat. It seems definite that Gregor would demand one, since he's clearly guilty and he's sure that he can defeat anyone. (Quick edit: Given that the situation is "Ser Gregor Clegane v The Iron Throne", then picking a current member of the Kings Guard seems to be a requirement. That would pre-empt Loras Tyrell, who probably wouldn't be grateful.) Whatever the outcome of the proposed "trial" between Gregor and Jaime, Tywin Lannister would be enraged and swear vengeance on House Stark. Either he loses his biggest mad dog, or his golden son and heir. So selecting Jaime might not be the smartest thing. I'd recommend Barristan Selmy. Incredibly skilled, old, wily. There's a hypothetical match-up between Selmy and the big Clegane on the Tower of the Hand website that's pretty compelling - and oddly amusing. Not entirely. When Tyrion was accused of murdering Joffrey by Cersei, no member of the kingsguard was involved in that Trial by Combat. A Kingsguard was only mentioned as being required when royalty is accused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandru Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, Lord Lannister said: When Tyrion was accused of murdering Joffrey by Cersei, no member of the kingsguard was involved in that Trial by Combat. I think you're right! Thanks for the enlightenment! In that case, either Jaime or Barristan might be considered too good to risk "wasting". The only man clearly able - not to mention willing - to go up against Gregor and win would be Sandor. But then, whatever the outcome, the winner would be a kinslayer, which would also be unacceptable and obviously not allowed. So Gregor would have to be allowed to walk - or someone "sacrificed" who the Throne/Ned want to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, zandru said: vengeance on House Stark. I don't think he would want vengeance for losing Gregor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Dead headofMaelysKinslayer said: Ned thinks that Mountain should be punished for what he did in Riverlands. Mountain comes to court and demands a trial by combat. Loras wants to be champion. How would Ned react? Why would Loras want to be the Mountain’s champion? The Mountain tried to kill Loras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: Why would Loras want to be the Mountain’s champion? The Mountain tried to kill Loras. Loras would want to be the Crown's champion, as he wanted to be the one to hunt down the mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, Universal Sword Donor said: Loras would want to be the Crown's champion, as he wanted to be the one to hunt down the mountain. That explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Yourwetdream Aeryn Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, zandru said: Whatever the outcome of the proposed "trial" between Gregor and Jaime, Tywin Lannister would be enraged and swear vengeance on House Stark. Either he loses his biggest mad dog, or his golden son and heir. So selecting Jaime might not be the smartest thing. I'd recommend Barristan Selmy. Incredibly skilled, old, wily. There's a hypothetical match-up between Selmy and the big Clegane on the Tower of the Hand website that's pretty compelling - and oddly amusing. Jaime run from capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anck Su Namun Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Dead headofMaelysKinslayer said: Ned thinks that Mountain should be punished for what he did in Riverlands. Mountain comes to court and demands a trial by combat. Loras wants to be champion. How would Ned react? Gregor doesn't deny what he did. His defense, he was ordered by his lord to do it. The facts are clear and a trial is not justified. The only remaining question is punishment and for whom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS97 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 19 hours ago, Dead headofMaelysKinslayer said: Ned thinks that Mountain should be punished for what he did in Riverlands. Mountain comes to court and demands a trial by combat. Loras wants to be champion. How would Ned react? Ned would probably not let Loras be the champion just like he wouldn't let Loras hunt down the Mountain and instead send Beric. It is interesting to think what would happen if Ned did actually send Loras however. Because if you send Loras and he wins he would achieve a desired result. If you send Loras but Loras loses and dies this would sour relations between house Tyrell and house Lannister. Having the Tyrell family on your side is a very powerful weapon. Especialy with the Lannister-Stark conflict brewing. Later in the series Catelyn even thinks how Robb should have come back with Margaery as his bride rather than Jeyne Westerling. *Getting off topic* I think these two instances show that in the future there will be a Stark-Tyrell alliance as the first two opportunities failed but you know what they say about third times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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