Houses With Cash Flow Problems?

[Victor Newman]

Let  us divide the Haves from the Have Nots.  Which of the following houses have a cash surplus?  Cash deficit?  

1. Stark
2. Tarly
3. Celtigar
4. Tully
5. Bolton
6. Umber
7. Baratheon
8. Karstark
9. Martell
10. Greyjoy
11. Arryn
12. Manderly
13. Westerling
14. Frey
15. Hightower
16. Mormont
17. Fossoway
18. Velaryon

I purposely left out the ruling Houses, Targaryen and Lannister.  

[867-5309]

5 hours ago, Soto Luzon said:

Let  us divide the Haves from the Have Nots.  Which of the following houses have a cash surplus?  Cash deficit?  

1. Stark
2. Tarly
3. Celtigar
4. Tully
5. Bolton
6. Umber
7. Baratheon
8. Karstark
9. Martell
10. Greyjoy
11. Arryn
12. Manderly
13. Westerling
14. Frey
15. Hightower
16. Mormont
17. Fossoway
18. Velaryon

I purposely left out the ruling Houses, Targaryen and Lannister.  

Houses with strong cash flow:

Hightower, Celtigar, Frey, Tully.

 

Houses with slow cash flow or large debt:

Baratheon, Westerling, Mormont, Manderly(according to Preston Jacob), Tarly 

Of course, the Starks and the Tullys fortunes have since sunk because they lost the wotfk.

[Dorian Martell's son]

3 hours ago, Soto Luzon said:

Let  us divide the Haves from the Have Nots.  Which of the following houses have a cash surplus?  Cash deficit?  

1. Stark
2. Tarly
3. Celtigar
4. Tully
5. Bolton
6. Umber
7. Baratheon
8. Karstark
9. Martell
10. Greyjoy
11. Arryn
12. Manderly
13. Westerling
14. Frey
15. Hightower
16. Mormont
17. Fossoway
18. Velaryon

I purposely left out the ruling Houses, Targaryen and Lannister.  

The Royces are Broke. So are the Hardyngs. The Westerlings too. 

[Kandrax]

Starks and Tullies are currently broke.

[Adam Yozza]

2 hours ago, Lady Whitesnake said:

Manderly(according to Preston Jacob)

Manderly controls all sea-bound trade with the North and rules the only city north of the Neck. They're definitely the richest house in the North are almost certainly richer than the average noble house from the south.

[Free Northman Reborn]

4 hours ago, Lady Whitesnake said:

Houses with strong cash flow:

Hightower, Celtigar, Frey, Tully.

 

Houses with slow cash flow or large debt:

Baratheon, Westerling, Mormont, Manderly(according to Preston Jacob), Tarly 

Of course, the Starks and the Tullys fortunes have since sunk because they lost the wotfk.

Firstly, Preston Jacobs generally doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, but secondly, I would love to hear what fantastical reason he dreamed up to try and get to the absurd conclusion that House Manderly is broke.

In fact, the only information we have is that they have built 50 ships in a year, have built a mile long wall to fortify their harbor, along with a bunch of other fortifications, have supplied forces to Robb's host and to Ser Rodrik, have sent loads of food on barges to Winterfell, still have more heavy horse than any other House in the North, and that their vaults are still overflowing with silver.

So in short, the idea that they have either slow cash flow or are in debt has no basis in fact. The opposite is in fact the truth.

[Corvo the Crow]

If Fossoways are able to pay the Drahoma or it'a westerosi equivelant to Tyrells, then they aren't broke. 

Boltons certainly are doing very well now that Roose is married to Fat Walda.

Walder Frey pays his female descendants weight in silver.

What kind of Arbitrary list is this?

Where are these houses pulled from? According to what?

There are houses that should actually make it into the list because of somewhat contradictory information but houses outright poor/rich have been listed and not these.

Some examples: Deddings who are oh so rich but only mentioned once. Whent with all those huge tracts of land but neglected castle(even parts in use)

[Hammers1895]

You have to approach this using GRRM's info plus our basic knowledge of a medieval economy (and add in some semi- or non-canon info if you'd like). The richest houses are going to be the Great Houses plus those approaching "overmighty bannermen" status. So, at the start of GOT, you have the stable Stark/Arryn/Greyjoy/Tully/Lannister/Tyrell/Martell/Baratheon and Baratheon-royal Houses. These Houses are paramount houses, collect major taxes on behalf of the Iron Throne and I would assume also for themselves. 

Then you have other houses which seem to, in a sense, rule their particular areas of influence with impunity, houses like Tarly, Whent, Yronwood, Frey, Bolton, etc. They are all influential enough and control enough area/people that they should be fairly well off.

Economically, if you control trade, you have wealth. So, any house that basically rules a city/port will have money. So that gives you Hightower of Oldtown, the cadet branch of Lannister in Lannisport, the Graftons of Gulltown, Manderly's of White Harbor, and of course the ruling house in King's Landing, the Baratheons (who probably have independent wealth in all three of King's Landing, Dragonstone and Storm's End). 

GRRM has told us the Frey's grew rich controlling the best crossing over the Green Fork, the Butterwells were cattle barons, and the Velaryons controlled trade entering Blackwater Bay (plus Corlys's and Alyn of Hull's voyages). You have to figure there are other Westerlands houses that can access goldmines besides just the Lannisters. These are all examples.

If you are going to extrapolate, use common sense. No idea where Soto Luzon got his list from.

[Shouldve Taken The Black]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Whent with all those huge tracts of land but neglected castle(even parts in use)

The problem with Harrenhal is that it is so large an expense as a castle, that it can't be supported even with its huge lands. Littlefinger says something along these lines.

Supporting a garrison big enough to defend it would be hugely expensive, as would the general up keep, etc.

[Moiraine Sedai]

7 hours ago, Kandrax said:

Starks and Tullies are currently broke.

Homeless and dispossesed.  The poor dears.   Haha.