Brandon the Barren?

[John Suburbs]

1 hour ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

That doesn't really answer my question.

Do you think Roose watched Brandon have sex with his wife? I find it quite hard to believe that Roose would let his wife have sex with other men without knowing about it.

I have answered it: no, none of the above. He knows Dom is not his by the color of his eyes -- that is all.

 

[John Suburbs]

59 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Roose's eyes are paler than Ramsay's, which are described as dirty ice. Don't know about you but it makes me think of pale grey eyes, an grey eyes are common among first men from what we have seen.

Ramsay's eyes are not as pale as Roose's, but they are noticeably paler than normal. So, yes, his first man mother may account for that.

But I think that will change and you will soon see Ramsay's eyes become as pale as Roose's, he will start losing his hair, speaking in whispers, leeching himself ... just like his dear old dad.

[Universal Sword Donor]

41 minutes ago, John Suburbs said:

I have answered it: no, none of the above. He knows Dom is not his by the color of his eyes -- that is all.

So how and when would Brandon have impregnated Roose's wife? And if Roose knew why wouldn't he have done something about it earlier, given he didn't seem to care if Dominic died? He's not a man to suffer slights, as we well know. He is cold and cunning.

[John Suburbs]

20 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

So how and when would Brandon have impregnated Roose's wife? And if Roose knew why wouldn't he have done something about it earlier, given he didn't seem to care if Dominic died? He's not a man to suffer slights, as we well know. He is cold and cunning.

Brandon would have sired Dom approximately 40 weeks before Dom was born. This is not a porn site so I won't explain exactly how. There are books in the library for that, or you can ask your mom and dad.

Roose is in no hurry to remove Dom. You can search the board for the reason why. I would explain it here, but them some little troll will accuse me of hijacking the thread even though he is the one asking the questions.

 

[Universal Sword Donor]

7 hours ago, John Suburbs said:

Brandon would have sired Dom approximately 40 weeks before Dom was born. This is not a porn site so I won't explain exactly how. There are books in the library for that, or you can ask your mom and dad.

Roose is in no hurry to remove Dom. You can search the board for the reason why. I would explain it here, but them some little troll will accuse me of hijacking the thread even though he is the one asking the questions.

How and why and where would Brandon have slept with Roose's wife? Keep it simple for you

[John Suburbs]

16 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

How and why and where would Brandon have slept with Roose's wife? Keep it simple for you

How and why ought to be self-explanatory, unless you're not of an age to know yet. As to where, who knows? Does it really matter?

[Universal Sword Donor]

5 hours ago, John Suburbs said:

How and why ought to be self-explanatory, unless you're not of an age to know yet. As to where, who knows? Does it really matter?

I'm just wondering why Roose is letting Brandon impregnate his wife, presumably in the Dreadfort. This is clearly a pet theory so some justification or inkling would help explain something so outlandish.

[Angel Eyes]

He probably didn’t. Otherwise he’d be like Brandon son of Bael, a skin kept in the Dreadfort.

[Corvo the Crow]

On 22.03.2018 at 3:05 PM, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

 

This thread has taken a delightfully perverted turn.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks! I wonder though,  were there other theories that could be fitted in. 

[Kandrax]

2 hours ago, Angel Eyes said:

He probably didn’t. Otherwise he’d be like Brandon son of Bael, a skin kept in the Dreadfort.

It wouldn't be wise to flay your liege's son.

[John Suburbs]

18 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

I'm just wondering why Roose is letting Brandon impregnate his wife, presumably in the Dreadfort. This is clearly a pet theory so some justification or inkling would help explain something so outlandish.

Don't know where you're getting the idea that Roose let Brandon impregnate Bethany. Might as well ask why Rodrick allowed Brandon to deflower his second daughter, Barbrey.

Roose wouldn't even know until Dom was born and perhaps even a few years old to make sure of the color of his eyes. And then he couldn't very well up and accuse the son of his liege lord of committing such an act, and that's even if he knows Brandon is the father.

No reason why it had to happen at the Dreadfort either. Could have been at her castle, or some quiet glade in the Rills near a babbling brook, or at Winterfell, or any of a dozen other places.

Yes, it's one of my pet theories. You would have known the justifications if you had bothered to read my initial posts.

[Universal Sword Donor]

Bethany was married when Dom was born and for several years before. Just wondering

[Varysblackfyre321]

On March 24, 2018 at 2:48 PM, John Suburbs said:

Ramsay's eyes are not as pale as Roose's, but they are noticeably paler than normal. So, yes, his first man mother may account for that.

But I think that will change and you will soon see Ramsay's eyes become as pale as Roose's, he will start losing his hair, speaking in whispers, leeching himself ... just like his dear old dad.

Oh yeah you believe Roose is some immoral monster who sires sons and kills them to steal their identity.

[John Suburbs]

31 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Oh yeah you believe Roose is some immoral monster who sires sons and kills them to steal their identity.

More like I suspect it. The evidence is very sketchy, mostly speculative.

[BRANDON GREYSTARK]

On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 0:17 PM, Corvo the Crow said:

We know that Brandon had a long affair with Barbrey and people assume Brandon was a womanizer based on just this affair but if he was a womanizer why are there no Brandonlings around?

Even more importantly, how come Barbrey never got pregnant(assuming she isn't infertile)? 

Was he infertile?

Some guys are lucky that way , no protection , no kids , no std  or perhaps the ladies know a friendly little woodswitch with her phial of moontea or perhaps we are looking in the wrong area he fostered with the Dustins that is where we should be looking . Or stillbirths .

[Therae]

On 3/27/2018 at 0:43 PM, John Suburbs said:

Don't know where you're getting the idea that Roose let Brandon impregnate Bethany.

This part is where B+B=D doesn't seem plausible for me, also. Roose just really doesn't seem like the type of husband who inspires a wife to believe that cheating on him is a risk worth taking (unless of course it actually is that Roose likes to watch and arranged the whole thing, in which case, sure, Roose doesn't seem like the type of husband who inspires a wife to believe that refusing to cheat on him when directed to is necessarily a great idea, either--maybe Ramsay's thing with making Reek warm Jeyne up for him, and that especially horrid implication we get from Jeyne that Ramsay shares her with his dogs is evidence of his being a chip off the ol' block...).

But mostly it's just hard to believe that any wife of Roose Bolton would be so reckless. He's pretty terrifying, after all, and there is nothing to indicate the first two of them, at least, were firebrands. Roose mentioned to Theon, as a by-the-by, that he was quite fond of his little Walda because she seemed to enjoy the business of making children, unlike his previous two wives, who apparently were more inclined to lay back and think of the Dreadfort. While Roose's soft white hairless body and charming disposition may have been more the issue there than a general disinterest in the sexy time, the thought of that room in the Dreadfort with the skins of dead Starks would certainly make me think twice about lining up for the lovely Brandon, much less presenting my husband with his son.

So that's probably where the idea came from: it doesn't seem likely that Bethany would get busy with Brandon unless Roose was complicit.

But there is also Barbrey. She loved Domeric. I don't think she would be so keen on a nephew fathered by her lovely Brandon on her own sister (if he was--do we actually know that Domeric was Bethany's and not the other wife's?) Barbrey is not the most forgiving or un-jealous lady, ever. This makes me think Dom probably was Roose's, and Roose is, in fact, the world's least emotionally invested father ever.

So there you have it. More perversity for the thread, if not much to add about Brandon's blanks or lack thereof.  

[John Suburbs]

18 hours ago, Therae said:

This part is where B+B=D doesn't seem plausible for me, also. Roose just really doesn't seem like the type of husband who inspires a wife to believe that cheating on him is a risk worth taking (unless of course it actually is that Roose likes to watch and arranged the whole thing, in which case, sure, Roose doesn't seem like the type of husband who inspires a wife to believe that refusing to cheat on him when directed to is necessarily a great idea, either--maybe Ramsay's thing with making Reek warm Jeyne up for him, and that especially horrid implication we get from Jeyne that Ramsay shares her with his dogs is evidence of his being a chip off the ol' block...).

But mostly it's just hard to believe that any wife of Roose Bolton would be so reckless. He's pretty terrifying, after all, and there is nothing to indicate the first two of them, at least, were firebrands. Roose mentioned to Theon, as a by-the-by, that he was quite fond of his little Walda because she seemed to enjoy the business of making children, unlike his previous two wives, who apparently were more inclined to lay back and think of the Dreadfort. While Roose's soft white hairless body and charming disposition may have been more the issue there than a general disinterest in the sexy time, the thought of that room in the Dreadfort with the skins of dead Starks would certainly make me think twice about lining up for the lovely Brandon, much less presenting my husband with his son.

So that's probably where the idea came from: it doesn't seem likely that Bethany would get busy with Brandon unless Roose was complicit.

But there is also Barbrey. She loved Domeric. I don't think she would be so keen on a nephew fathered by her lovely Brandon on her own sister (if he was--do we actually know that Domeric was Bethany's and not the other wife's?) Barbrey is not the most forgiving or un-jealous lady, ever. This makes me think Dom probably was Roose's, and Roose is, in fact, the world's least emotionally invested father ever.

So there you have it. More perversity for the thread, if not much to add about Brandon's blanks or lack thereof.  

Passion can cause people to take extreme risks, especially when the prospect of a dismal marriage is present. Also, it's a bit tricky for Roose to accuse Beth of infidelity and send her to the dungeons, since this would shame him for being an inadequate husband, and quite possibly lay an accusation against his liege lord, or soon-to-be liege lord, for being his wife's cuckold.

But all of this is largely irrelevant to Roose. As Theon notices first:

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"There was an agelessness about him, a stillness; on Roose Bolton’s face, rage and joy looked much the same."

And then Barbrey:

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"He does not love, he does not hate, he does not grieve. This is a game to him, mildly diverting. Some men hunt, some hawk, some tumble dice. Roose plays with men. You and me, these Freys, Lord Manderly, his plump new wife, even his bastard, we are but his playthings."

So Beth's infidelity, Dom's heritage, none of it matters to Roose. He has Ramsay, who is now Lord of Winterfell, which means it will soon belong to Roose, again -- just as it did all those many years ago...

[Therae]

3 hours ago, John Suburbs said:

So Beth's infidelity, Dom's heritage, none of it matters to Roose.

I can see where you're coming from, and many fair points, certainly.

I think that  Roose's actual total lack of emotion may not be quite so obvious, though, to anyone who may depend on his goodwill as it is to Barbrey, who has had enough of both experience of people and disappointments to give not one single fuck more than necessary--and to know exactly how many are necessary in any particular situation. Also she has known Roose, and as a colleague, a lot longer at this point than Bethany would have during their marriage. As examples, Arya can believe that Roose would flay his cupbearer for spilling his wine and Robb stated that the man scared him. To be honest, I think it's probably the lack of emotion that makes him so terrifying; you really can't know how he will react to a perceived slight or what he will do to punish it.

We do, however, have a pretty good idea that he does perceive slights and punish them when it is within his power to do so (Ramsay's mother and late husband, for instance deprive him of his totally illegal droit de seigneur, so he kills the groom and rapes the bride, and, later, when her brother-in-law recognizes milord has fathered a bastard on her and abuses her for it, milord decides to be annoyed and give his mill to her, and cuts out his tongue in case he might rat milord out to the Warden of the North). This does not necessarily translate into similar treatment for a straying wife, but it might, and if it did, you can be certain Roose, unlike Ramsey, would keep it on the downlow--and, more to the point, the wife might believe Roose would imperturbably exact some hideous vengeance for straying, and therefore not stray--because if she's locked in a tower ("a wasting sickness") or dead ("alas, the maesters could not save her"), she can't complain to Lord Rickard, either. Brandon doesn't really seem to consider the domestic woes of his lovers (or their feelings, for that matter) to be his problem, and really if there is no prima facie evidence that Bethany came to harm at her husband's behest, I don't think it would even occur to Brandon to question goings-on at the Dreadfort.

But maybe Bethany was no more a pudding than her sister. Maybe she did her duty with Roose and did her part for quiet country and peaceful people so Roose gave her the latitude to steal a kiss or two from Brandon and bring home a little centaur baby. The Ryswells are a horsey house, after all.

Hopefully someday we shall get a prologue or epilogue from Ramsay's POV (or perhaps Roose, which should frankly be more interesting) and learn something more of Bethany and Dom. I think one way or another, we will hear more about Brandon.

[Ygrain]

4 hours ago, Therae said:

I think one way or another, we will hear more about Brandon.

Definitely. I'm just afraid we may not like what we hear.

[Therae]

20 minutes ago, Ygrain said:

Definitely. I'm just afraid we may not like what we hear.

Go on, please!