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Why do accounts differ on how Lord Beesbury died?

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So the Greens say that Ser Criston Cole cut Lord Beesbury's throat, while Mushroom says that Cole defenestrated him. How come there is a discrepancy on how he died? There can certainly be a discrepancy on why someone dies, but how someone dies? Most other mysterious deaths are pretty clear in the method; Maegor Targaryen died on the Iron Throne, Jon Arryn died by poison, Elia Martell was bisected and her head smashed, etc.

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In that case, I think Mushroom diverged on purpose, to make fun and puns.

To say that Beesbury was thrown out of a window is black nonsense humor, since the point of cutting Beesbury's throat at the very small council table was so that the news of Viserys' death and Aegon coronation wouldn't leave the Red Keep.

If someone were defenestrated, the whole plane would have flown out the window (see?).

On the other hand, it was an obvious pun for a "swift dismissal or expulsion (as from a political party or office)", which was exactly what Cole's dagger did to him after all.

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People lie; for a thousand reasons, and none. More people will hear the tale than ever see the body. Who tells the tale is as important as the tale told....

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We do know that the fate of Lord Beesbury was unclear for a considerable amount of time after the death Viserys I. People may have speculated and written accounts during that time already, accounts that were later drawn upon by other people.

In addition, it would have been only very few people who actually knew what had transpired in the Small Council chamber - which means, the account on what happened there we get in TPatQ is likely based on Orwyle's writings (the guy was there) which where used by Grand Maester Munkun in his treatise on the Dance.

While it may have become evident to many contemporaries long before Munkun sifted through Orwyle's writings (stuff the man wrote in a cell during the Dance) that Beesbury had been killed, the precise manner of his death wouldn't have been (widely) known.

Mushroom's account basically is a testimony the dwarf dictated to a scribe late in his life (one assumes either during the later reign of Aegon III or even the reign of the Young Dragon - we know his text existed during the reign of Baelor, because the man had them burned). It seems to be a crude memoir, full of lies, exaggerations, and (some) truths, with the purpose of telling as outlandish (and entertaining) a story as possible, and giving Mushroom himself a main part in the story.

It makes sense that Mushroom would want to comment on Beesbury, too, but as Yandel points out in TWoIaF the dwarf was on Dragonstone when Beesbury died, not in KL - and Mushroom himself claims he carried Rhaenyra's stillborn girl into the yard of Dragonstone so she could be cremated there, so that seems to have been correct - which would make his account dubious even if he wasn't exactly prone to lie and exaggerate. If you cannot be a firsthand witness (or do not necessarily have access to good firsthand testimony) you simply are not a good source.

If Beesbury had been thrown out the window many other people would have reported that, too. In fact, one assumes the entire Green coup would have failed then because the Blacks at court that were later arrested would have found out about King Viserys' death before they were arrested, either proclaiming Queen Rhaenyra before King Aegon II could have been proclaimed, or informing Rhaenyra about what had transpired long before she ended up hearing it. That could have resulted in Daemon, Rhaenys, Rhaenyra's sons, and the Velaryon navy stopping any attempts of crowning Aegon II long before that happened - never mind that Rhaenyra herself couldn't leave Dragonstone quickly due to her pregnancy.

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