What if Jon Arryn became the King?

[UFT]

let's say Rhaegar managed to kill Robert but Rhaegar dies too of his wounds. 

 

[Canon Claude]

If Robert dies, the rebels are done for. Jon Arryn is too old without heirs and Ned Stark doesn’t want to be king. Stannis isn’t liked either, so even if the rebels do win, his reign wouldn’t last long. But the problem is that if Robert and Rhaegar both died, it would be such a Pyrrhic victory for the rebels that Tywin would have no obligations to join them. He could honestly have just taken the throne himself and nobody could  have stopped him. 

[Kandrax]

2 hours ago, Canon Claude said:

Tywin would have no obligations to join them. He could honestly have just taken the throne himself and nobody could  have stopped him. 

I was thinking, if Renly, Stannis, Daenerys, Viserys, Aegon and Rhaenys were never born, would Tywin marry Elia?

[Megorova]

If Robert died, then there was no reason for Ned, not to reveal to the realm, that little Jon is Rhaegar's son. Then Ned with his Northerners (uncle of King Jon), Ned's sort of father Jon Arryn with his Valemen (sort of grandfather of King Jon), Hoster Tully and Cat with Riverlanders (great uncle and aunt of King Jon), Doran with his Dornishmen (Rhaegar's brother-in-law, and thus Jon's uncle), Tyrells with their Reachmen (that were loyal to Targaryens), all of them would have supported Jon and accepted him as King of 7K. So even if Tywin would have liked to crown himself, as next King of 7K, the others would have disillusioned him fairly fast.

Also it's unlikely that people of 7K would have accepted Jon Arryn as their King. He's too old, he had no children, and he didn't had Targaryen blood. Even to crown Robert, the septons and maesters has used as a tool of Robert's legitimization, his Targaryen blood. Supposedly he has a right to claim Targaryen crown, because his grandmother was a Targaryen. Other Targaryens are either dead, or escaped from Westeros, and someone needs to rule over 7K, thus why not Robert? Out of all citizens that live in 7K, he's the one to has the most % of Targaryen blood. Him, and his brothers. Though if there was Jon, who is half-Targaryen, then his claim would have been better than anyone else's. And it's not like people of 7K were against Targaryens in general, they were against Mad King, not against ALL Targaryens. And everyone loved Rhaegar. Thus the realm would have supported his son. So Jon would have became King, and Ned his Hand and Regent.

The outcome in which Jon Arryn is King, is very unlikely. Maybe Ned and Stannis would have supported him, but not the rest of Kingdoms. Westerlands would have declared themselves independent, and so would Dorne, and The Reach. Thus 7K would have turned instead into 4K (North, Riverlands, Vale, Stormlands). If 7K would have fallen appart, then this would have been used by people from Essos. By Blackfyres and Golden Company, by slavers from Slaver's Bay, by pirats, by wildlings, and various bands of outlaws. Then either each Kingdom wouldn't had any other choice, except declaring their independency, to be able to protect themselves, and not to fight against all enemies of 4K, or Ned would have had to reveal to everyone, who Jon Snow really is.

People of 7K for nearly 300 years were ruled by Targaryen family, thus only Targaryen blood could have held them together. Even Robert in certain sense was a Targaryen. If not for his Targaryen grandmother, it's unlikely that all people of 7K would have accepted him as their King. So Jon Arryn, even if somehow he did managed to become King, then his reign wouldn't have lasted for long. So if not Robert, then Jon/Aegon Targaryen would have became King of 7K, if not immediately, then eventually. But it would have happened. Otherwise 7K would have ceased to exist.

Even if during Jon Arryn's reign, 7K would have turned into 4K, after real identity of Jon Snow would have been revealed, and he was crowned as King, then Dorne and The Reach would have returned into the flock. And then it was just a matter of time, to make Westerlands to submit to the rest of 6K. Probably Ned could have given to Dornishmen an assignment to deal with Lannisters, and Martells would have gladly offed Tywin. It wasn't Ned who let Elia and her children be killed, and Ned would have had Rhaegar's son under his care. So if Ned promised to Martells, that they are free to deal in whatever way they want with Tywin, then they would have accepted little Jon as their King. And after Tywin's death, most likely his brother Kevan, would have agreed for Westerlands to become again part of 7K.

[Light a wight tonight]

There's the small matter of Aegon and Viserys, legitimate heirs of Aerys, not being dead. The rebellion is about Aerys's unfitness to rule, not to replace the Targaryens outright. Get rid of Aerys and plug in another Targ.

Or the "other" Jon, Rhaegar's putative son that we know as Jon Snow, whatever his Targ name would have been.

[Megorova]

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

There's the small matter of Aegon and Viserys, legitimate heirs of Aerys, not being dead. The rebellion is about Aerys's unfitness to rule, not to replace the Targaryens outright. Get rid of Aerys and plug in another Targ.

I'm sure that fAegon is a Blackfyre, and not a real Aegon son of Rhaegar. Also for at least 5 years after Robert's Rebellion, Varys and Illyrio didn't had Jon Connington in camp of their supporters. And it's mostly JonCon who makes fAegon to look legitimate. So that leaves Viserys and Dany. Dany is a girl, and Viserys is son of the previous King, but he's not son of crown Prince. Thus he was not first in succession line. Though even if it was questionable, which one of those two boys should become next King from Targaryen dynasty, and there was assembled a Great Council, then I think that majority of 7K Lords, would have supported Jon's claim, and chosen him over Viserys.

Not only because Jon was first in line, but also because in case if little Jon became King, then his Hand and Regent, would have been Ned Stark. Or there could have been several Regents, like during early years of Aegon III. And then it could have been one Lord from each Kingdom - Stark, Martell, Baratheon, Tully, Arryn, Tyrell, and maybe representative from Westerlands would have been Kevan, or not a Lannister at all. And who would have been Viserys' Regent? - Willem Darry?

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

Or the "other" Jon, Rhaegar's putative son that we know as Jon Snow, whatever his Targ name would have been.

I think his name eventually will be Aegon.

That's because fAegon will be crowned, or named Aegon VI. Also, if he is really a Blackfyre, then this invasion of Golden Company into 7K, is the Sixth Rebellion of Blackfyres. So after fake King will be overthrown, after him Jon will be crowned as Aegon VII.

7 is a lucky number in 7K. And they also have 7 Gods.

And also first Targaryen King was Aegon. And one of the best Kings of 7K, that did the most good for his people, was Aegon V. And there was Aegon III, that has finally brought peace to 7K, after the Dance of the Dragons. Though there was also three "bad" Aegons - Aegon II (maniac and psychopath, that has fed his own sister to his dragon), Aegon IV (pervert, and a disgrace for his entire Kingdom), Aegon VI (Blackfyre pretender). So it's like, Aegons that were 7K's Kings were: good I - bad II - good III - bad IV - good V - bad VI - good VII (Jon/Aegon).

So this name seems the most fitting.

[Dorian Martell's son]

10 hours ago, UFT said:

let's say Rhaegar managed to kill Robert but Rhaegar dies too of his wounds. 

 You assume that Rhaegar would be unable to rally his army while wounded. The Story only works if Rhaegar Dies and Bob becomes king, otherwise your fan fic has all the rest of targs alive and Aerys would not let Jon or Ned or Hoster live 

[Light a wight tonight]

1 hour ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

 You assume that Rhaegar would be unable to rally his army while wounded. The Story only works if Rhaegar Dies and Bob becomes king, otherwise your fan fic has all the rest of targs alive and Aerys would not let Jon or Ned or Hoster live 

You seem to assume that the loyalist army will be inspired even though the best replacement for Aerys is dead, the others being minors. And that the rebels fall apart without Robert. Everybody, even the loyalists, knows that Aerys is toxic, and the rebels have Jon Arryn and Ned as leaders to take over for Robert.

I can see a situation where the leaders of the two sides get together and say that the war is too big a drain on the kingdom, and that if the loyalists depose Aerys and set up (real) Aegon or Viserys as king under a regent agreeable to both sides, and grant amnesty to the rebels, everybody will go home and act nice.

[Dorian Martell's son]

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

You seem to assume that the loyalist army will be inspired even though the best replacement for Aerys is dead, the others being minors.

I have made no such assumption. 

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

And that the rebels fall apart without Robert. 

I never said they would fall apart either. Where are you getting this? 

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

 Everybody, even the loyalists, knows that Aerys is toxic, and the rebels have Jon Arryn and Ned as leaders to take over for Robert.

So what.  THe supposition of this fan fic is that bob is dead and that Rhaegar at some point dies of his wounds.  Aerys is still on the throne and we know what he does to people who he thinks are traitors 

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

I can see a situation where the leaders of the two sides get together and say that the war is too big a drain on the kingdom,

Why would they do that. Since bob being dead is the only crux of this fan fiction exercise, Aerys has a chance to buy Tywin. That would mean the rebels would lose and  Aerys would still rule. So no King Jon.

1 hour ago, Light a wight tonight said:

and that if the loyalists depose Aerys and set up (real) Aegon or Viserys as king under a regent agreeable to both sides, and grant amnesty to the rebels, everybody will go home and act nice.

Why would they depose him. In this fan fiction exercise, The rebel leader is dead. The King's rule, while far from secure, is still tenable 

[PrinceHenryris]

I was typing out a long scenario to fit the OP's idea and scrapped it.  Jon Arryn had no chance, nor should he have had, of sitting the Iron Throne.

[Light a wight tonight]

2 hours ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

I have made no such assumption. 

I never said they would fall apart either. Where are you getting this? 

So what.  THe supposition of this fan fic is that bob is dead and that Rhaegar at some point dies of his wounds.  Aerys is still on the throne and we know what he does to people who he thinks are traitors 

Why would they do that. Since bob being dead is the only crux of this fan fiction exercise, Aerys has a chance to buy Tywin. That would mean the rebels would lose and  Aerys would still rule. So no King Jon.

Why would they depose him. In this fan fiction exercise, The rebel leader is dead. The King's rule, while far from secure, is still tenable 

I may have read too much into your few sentences, or misunderstood them. There's nearly zero chance for Jon to become king under any conceivable circumstance, but there are multiple possibilities for the outcome of the rebellion if both Robert and Rhaegar die. They are all fanfic, of course. 

Aerys buying Tywin? Now there's a fanfic.

[Dorian Martell's son]

23 minutes ago, Light a wight tonight said:

Aerys buying Tywin? Now there's a fanfic.

Riverrun for Tywin? why not? 

[The Sunland Lord]

If Robert died at the Trident, Jon Arryn doesn't get next in line for the Iron Throne. 

That would be the Stannis. 

[Quoth the raven,]

You're forgetting, Robert used his "relatedness" to the Targaryens as his justification to sit on the iron throne.  While I will conceded that the Targaryens and the Arryns married in the very distant past, it is not likely that Jon Arryn could make the same claim.  Look at the family tree.  The war would have continued had Jon Arryn tried to take the throne.  Many would refuse to bow.

[Angel Eyes]

There’d still be a succession crisis, since Jon, he of the weak seed, is married to Lysa, and Lysa’s reproductive organs were severely damaged thanks to a cup of moon tea, making her only able to produce a sickly and whiny brat. 

[Dorian Martell's son]

7 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

There’d still be a succession crisis, since Jon, he of the weak seed, is married to Lysa, and Lysa’s reproductive organs were severely damaged thanks to a cup of moon tea, making her only able to produce a sickly and whiny brat. 

Jon's old man balls have something to do with that too 

[Angel Eyes]

1 minute ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

Jon's old man balls have something to do with that too 

I didn’t pin it all on Lysa. I threw a line in there with Jon, “he of the weak seed”.

[Dorian Martell's son]

5 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

I didn’t pin it all on Lysa. I threw a line in there with Jon, “he of the weak seed”.

I read that to be more of his line 

[Angel Eyes]

26 minutes ago, Dorian Martell's son said:

I read that to be more of his line 

Well, I had meant it by healthy, viable offspring that aren’t stunted mentally and physically.