Ice Queen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Zorral said: So. the gop midterm election strategy is to run against Clinton and Pelosi. Ads are running all over PA already demonizing Hillary Clinton on behalf of gop candidates. WTF? What are the ads's content? Put Clinton in jail? I haven't found out, and probably won't as I have to hit the airport later today. Yeah, that worked so well for them in PA 18. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Zorral said: So. the gop midterm election strategy is to run against Clinton and Pelosi. Ads are running all over PA already demonizing Hillary Clinton on behalf of gop candidates. WTF? What are the ads's content? Put Clinton in jail? I haven't found out, and probably won't as I have to hit the airport later today. So you think the Dysfunction Junction Democrats are going to get back into power then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Trump's branding among the Republican base is very strong and very resilient. Independence from Trump is NOT a selling point in Republican primaries. Republican voters want Congresspeople who will be a rubber stamp for the President. We're seeing this in primaries across the country. We are? I'm not saying you are wrong, but I haven't seen many particular Republican primaries discussed on this thread, and I don't think many states have actually held primaries for this year's congressional elections yet. So where have there been primaries where there is a clear difference between candidates on the "rubber stamp" issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ormond said: We are? I'm not saying you are wrong, but I haven't seen many particular Republican primaries discussed on this thread, and I don't think many states have actually held primaries for this year's congressional elections yet. So where have there been primaries where there is a clear difference between candidates on the "rubber stamp" issue? His steaks and wine may not have been big successes but his political brand so far , seems to be a going strong with a sizable number of voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said: Yeah, that worked so well for them in PA 18. LOL I agree, since Trump won, Republicans have had an enthusiasm problem getting people to the polls. I'm really skeptical that "We have to stop Hillary Clinton" is going to get people motivated in 2018, seeing how she isn't on the ballot and will never run for public office again. Demonizing two women, neither of whom are on the ballot, probably isn't going to help with Republican women turned off by Trumpism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 https://www.alternet.org/watch-entire-new-york-bar-chant-ex-breitbarter-milo-yiannopoulos-until-he-leaves Watch An Entire New York Bar Chant At Ex-Breitbarter Milo Yiannopoulos Until He Leaves 'Nazi scum get out!' Quote He wanted to go out for a drink, and ended up picking the wrong bar—one where members of the New York chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America had just finished a meeting. "Nazi scum get out!" they chanted in unison at Yiannopoulos, until he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ormond said: We are? I'm not saying you are wrong, but I haven't seen many particular Republican primaries discussed on this thread, and I don't think many states have actually held primaries for this year's congressional elections yet. So where have there been primaries where there is a clear difference between candidates on the "rubber stamp" issue? Not a lot of primaries have happened yet, I'm basing it on articles like this about an Arizona Primary race. Quote At their final debate, shortly before early ballots went out, five of the Republicans running to represent Arizona's 8th Congressional District tackled their most divisive issue. Which of them had done the most to support President Trump? "I'm the only one standing here to support President Trump in the primary," said former Republican legislator Phil Lovas. "I've defended him in National Review; I've defended him in the Daily Caller; I've said his energy policies give conservatives reasons to cheer," said former corporation commissioner Bob Stump. "I was a Trump delegate," said former state senator Steve Montenegro. "I've been on national media, in English and in Spanish, to explain why what he's doing is right." This WaPo piece "Loyalty to Trump emerges as a top issue in Republican primary campaign commercials" summarizes it happening across the country in both debates and commercials. It cites races in Michigan, Ohio, Tennessee, South Carolina, Indiana, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, North Carolina, and New Jersey. Pledging fealty to Trump is widespread in the Republican primary races, and that means that we should expect Republican officeholders in 2019 to be more, not less, deferential to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Martell Spy said: https://www.alternet.org/watch-entire-new-york-bar-chant-ex-breitbarter-milo-yiannopoulos-until-he-leaves Watch An Entire New York Bar Chant At Ex-Breitbarter Milo Yiannopoulos Until He Leaves 'Nazi scum get out!' Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Why didn’t Obama pardon Jack Johnson? Were Democrats worried that ‘Obama pardons white slavers’ could become an election theme? The talk about pardons by Trump is again supposed to be a message to people like Cohen - pardoning Johnson being a direct message to Cohen. ”It’s like a Jedi mind trick” said a commentator on CNN. Cohen is not the droid you’re looking for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 16 hours ago, GAROVORKIN said: Try imagining what your existence would be like if there were no police officers around to protect you from actual criminals. Try and remember that time you reassured a person fearing Nazi persecution on this very board that Nazis would never be more than a fringe presence. What a pathetic act you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said: So you think the Dysfunction Junction Democrats are going to get back into power then? Where in the post was this even stated? Gads, such an idiot. Actually, such a bot. An idiotic bot. Without reading comprehension but with smug complacency of being smart, when anything but smart. The definition of bots, trolls and sea lions. And Breitbart sorts, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said: So he's not doing all that badly for man who has never held an elected office. Of course, if the economy starts to sour round Midterms , that could be a very problematic for him and the Republicans. And there is the growing deficit,. It's like jumping off a tall building. 60th floor.. so far so good... 59th floor... still ok, 58 floor... still good... Just over a year in and no charges or convictions...still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Why didn’t Obama pardon Jack Johnson? Were Democrats worried that ‘Obama pardons white slavers’ could become an election theme? I obviously was not the only person asking this question. CNN just provided the answer. Obama and other presidents avoided ‘historical pardons’ because each pardon is supposed to be investigated by the Justice Department, and those investigations typically take 10 months. With so many living people who deserve pardons presidents have preferred to use the resources on the living, not the dead. That was one of the shocking aspects of the Sheriff Joe Arpeo pardon, no Justice Department review was done, Trump just pardoned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Pony Empress Jace said: Yeah, the twenties were a crazy time for me. But I'm glad to put the month of March behind and focus on new things. THEN WHY THE F HAVEN’T YOU POSTED IN MY STORIES THREAD? I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO POKE YOU IN A SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE PART OF YOUR CHEST TO GET YOU TO DO SO, SMELLY QUEEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Not a lot of primaries have happened yet, I'm basing it on articles like this about an Arizona Primary race. This WaPo piece "Loyalty to Trump emerges as a top issue in Republican primary campaign commercials" summarizes it happening across the country in both debates and commercials. It cites races in Michigan, Ohio, Tennessee, South Carolina, Indiana, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, North Carolina, and New Jersey. Pledging fealty to Trump is widespread in the Republican primary races, and that means that we should expect Republican officeholders in 2019 to be more, not less, deferential to Trump. Is all this coming down to a contest to see who can stick their tongue the farthest up Trump's ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, maarsen said: Is all this coming down to a contest to see who can stick their tongue the farthest up Trump's ass? Oh, so much like being in the Cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, GAROVORKIN said: Polls not withstanding , It seem that there are an awful lot of voters alot who not keen on having the Democrats back in power. Yeah, if you just ignore the data, the data shows anything you want. What a great argument you have there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Maithanet said: I don't really care for that article, as it provides very little proof for the central thesis that Trumps strong standing with Republicans doesn't necessarily mean that Republican Congresspeople must/will stand with him. It's true that most of Congress is only loyal to Trump out of self interest, but self interest is enough. I'm not as dismissive about that article. I think its point isn't that Trump's standing with Republicans is in danger now, but rather if the GOP gets its ass kicked in the midterms. And the Dubya comparison is somewhat valid - his numbers only started to truly crater immediately following the 2006 elections. OTOH, Dubya was then officially a lame duck, and both Obama and Clinton weren't noticeably hurt in the slightest after their first midterm debacles. But, if MCs start to see they can't rely on Trump and (more importantly) his coalition to get reelected, that could significantly change their self-interest calculus in a hurry. One could see a feedback loop between conservative elites-media-and voters that finally starts to take a chunk out of that 40%OVR/80%GOP firewall he's got - even if nothing's changed with the economy or investigations. Obama and Clinton had two things going for them that Trump doesn't - they were generally well liked, or at least respected, within their party, and they had already demonstrated that had a high ceiling on popularity (and were far less unpopular than Trump). Ceteris paribus, one would expect the party to abandon Trump far quicker than they did for Obama, Clinton, or even the Bushes. So tomorrow is the AZ-8th special election. Looks like a lot of people already voted, and the party ID makeup of early voters isn't good for Dems: Quote Although those ballots haven’t been counted yet, the data on who submitted them — their age, gender, party, etc. — is public information. Unfortunately for Tipirneni, 49 percent of those who have voted so far are registered Republicans; only 28 percent are registered Democrats. Nearly 60 percent of the electorate so far is age 65 or older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Zorral said: Where in the post was this even stated? Gads, such an idiot. Actually, such a bot. An idiotic bot. Without reading comprehension but with smug complacency of being smart, when anything but smart. The definition of bots, trolls and sea lions. And Breitbart sorts, etc. My god, such a rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, aceluby said: Yeah, if you just ignore the data, the data shows anything you want. What a great argument you have there. Didn't date and polling in 2016 have Clinton winning the election? Thats why I don't put much stock in them because their number can be misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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