Yellow fever

[Cuellar]

I'll probably stick my foot in my mouth, but it hasn't stopped me before.

I believe I read on the BBC a while back a study they did on this phenominon (or it could have been some porn site for all I recall), but they explained the phenomia as being partly related to women being predisposed towards "masculinity" and men being predisposed to "femininity". It then went on to say that the average person of black/white/asian could be ranked from most masculine to most femanine (I'm not saying why or what criteria were used or if it is in fact 100% of the time):
1) Black
2) White
3) Asian

So men tended to prefer their category or the next category down, and women preferred theirs or the next category up. They specifically addressed that it often has nothing to do with "submissive" necessarily, more so the agressive cultures were often deemed more masculine, while polite cultures were deemed the opposite.


It could be completely full of shit.

I think another factor though is the fact that much of the world's sex trade revolves around Asia. So you have a high number of perverts going to asia to bang prostitues, and the attitudes (especially after Japan, Korea, and Vietnam), along with the shore leave for the Navy... has made this "dating asians" thing into something for pervs. Not to mention the general "jungle fever" this is driven by pure racism against blacks.

[Iskaral Pust]

[quote name='Eponine' post='1677206' date='Feb 6 2009, 16.13']I don't know the statistics on it, but it's definitely not just a myth. :([/quote]

Your posts make it sound like you have been burned before by this - I'm sorry if that's the case.

That, combined with DG's post, makes it look like there really are some guys out there who seek out (or try to - c'mon, how successful can these guys be with the ladies?) a generic proxy for an "exotic" fantasy rather than a unique person, that the person is secondary to the culture they represent.

That sounds pretty obnoxious. I know some guys can objectify women from time to time, but that seems like a ridiculous extreme. I can't say I've seen it, but then married couples tend to form social groups and we don't observe the dating game anymore. Not that I ever played the American dating game, which is so different to Ireland.

Would it really be that common, or is the shock value of a few anecdotes, like DG's, enough to create a perception? Journalists claim that three anecdotes is a trend.

I find this mindset pretty hard to imagine. My crumb of comfort would be that natural selection should fix the problem pretty soon. These guys won't be attractive to women they objectify, so if this is a weird genetic predilection, then it won't be making it into the next generation. If is is purely behavior driven, then lack of success will teach them to change their behavior.

Dante - what's with the geek culture allusion? The actuarial field is very geeky, and has a pretty high proportion of asians, but I've never noticed any trend for white male colleagues to hit on their female asian colleagues. But then, I don't think anime is very prevalent either - I've never heard anyone mention it.

[S John]

Haha, the banner add is AsianFriendFinder.com, all the creeps will be too busy clicking to post.

[SwordoftheMorning]

[quote name='S John' post='1677292' date='Feb 6 2009, 15.59']Haha, the banner add is AsianFriendFinder.com, all the creeps will be too busy clicking to post.[/quote]

That is too fucking ironic for words.

[DanteGabriel]

[quote name='Iskaral Pust' post='1677286' date='Feb 6 2009, 16.57']Dante - what's with the geek culture allusion? The actuarial field is very geeky, and has a pretty high proportion of asians, but I've never noticed any trend for white male colleagues to hit on their female asian colleagues. But then, I don't think anime is very prevalent either - I've never heard anyone mention it.[/quote]
Well, if I can go off into wild generalization about social groups that is supported solely by anecdotal evidence compiled over fifteen years or so, urban geeks tend to love video games, anime, sushi, and Hong Kong action flicks (as well as Joss Whedon, fantasy and sci-fi, and other non-Asian-signifying things). When I say "geeks" I don't mean people who have geeky jobs, but people who engage in geeky pastimes. Culturally geeky, rather than professionally geeky, I guess. Within this same subculture, of which I am a part, there are definitely a lot of guys whose interest in a woman is appreciably higher if that woman is East Asian, and particularly if she fits the small, cute stereotype.

[CloudFlare]

[quote name='Eponine' post='1677248' date='Feb 6 2009, 16.35']It's that some (usually white American) guys make a fetish out of Asian women. To the point that they don't see them as another human being with her own personality and interests.[/quote]

Men of all races objectify women of races.

Nothing really new here, move along.

[Deluge]

[quote name='S John' post='1677292' date='Feb 6 2009, 16.59']Haha, the banner add is AsianFriendFinder.com, all the creeps will be too busy clicking to post.[/quote]
:rofl:

[Iskaral Pust]

[quote name='DanteGabriel' post='1677300' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.02']Well, if I can go off into wild generalization about social groups that is supported solely by anecdotal evidence compiled over fifteen years or so, urban geeks tend to love video games, anime, sushi, and Hong Kong action flicks (as well as Joss Whedon, fantasy and sci-fi, and other non-Asian-signifying things). When I say "geeks" I don't mean people who have geeky jobs, but people who engage in geeky pastimes. Culturally geeky, rather than professionally geeky, I guess. Within this same subculture, of which I am a part, there are definitely a lot of guys whose interest in a woman is appreciably higher if that woman is East Asian, and particularly if she fits the small, cute stereotype.[/quote]

Thanks. It seems I am only a professional geek. Will they take away my geek card? I really like [i]Cryptonomicon[/i] if that helps at all.

[DanteGabriel]

[quote name='Iskaral Pust' post='1677309' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.07']Thanks. It seems I am only a professional geek. Will they take away my geek card? I really like [i]Cryptonomicon[/i] if that helps at all.[/quote]
Well, I don't know, you may have to watch some anime just to be safe. :P

[Shryke]

[quote name='DanteGabriel' post='1677300' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.02']Well, if I can go off into wild generalization about social groups that is supported solely by anecdotal evidence compiled over fifteen years or so, urban geeks tend to love video games, anime, sushi, and Hong Kong action flicks (as well as Joss Whedon, fantasy and sci-fi, and other non-Asian-signifying things). When I say "geeks" I don't mean people who have geeky jobs, but people who engage in geeky pastimes. Culturally geeky, rather than professionally geeky, I guess. Within this same subculture, of which I am a part, there are definitely a lot of guys whose interest in a woman is appreciably higher if that woman is East Asian, and particularly if she fits the small, cute stereotype.[/quote]

Aye, this is the general description of Yellow Fever I'm familiar with. It's the creepy white geeks who are obsessed with Asian women.

One of my friends has it. Although I can't really blame him for it considering that where he grew up, he was almost literally the only non-Asian person at his school. Plus, he's married to a nice girl from Hong Kong now.

[potsherds]

[quote name='DanteGabriel' post='1677224' date='Feb 6 2009, 21.21']It is very prevalent depending on what kind of social groups you talk about. For example, among my own demographic cohort of 21-35 year old urban geeks, it is amazingly prevalent. I had an ex girlfriend who LARPed and I accompanied her to a couple of her LARPs (at her request to scare off the guys making passes at her) and you could practically hear the mad pings of geek lust sonar when she walked into a room full of white anime fans.[/quote]

I'm going to side with Terra, Yags, Eponine, and DG. Of course, I'm also a serious geek & nerd in my 20's, so I have definitely seen this phenomenon at work. A lot. And I think it's extremely creepy, and depending on the person, borderline perverted. I also worry about the general 'young' look of Asian women, and DO wonder sometimes if men also find Asian women so attractive because of how young they look, on top of everything that's been pointed out by Yags and Terra. I can't confirm if this is my own paranoia or another possible aspect of this fetish, though. I've only gotten into one yelling match over the issue with a guy, it didn't end well.

[turinturambar]

[quote name='Yngwiegathai' post='1677066' date='Feb 6 2009, 15.14']To a degree, this thread is going to be about racial fetishes in general, but being Asian I've always felt really uncomfortable about white guys that have a "thing" for Asian women -- especially the small, delicate, love-you-long-time looking ones. After all, everyone knows that there are only kinds of Asian women, the china doll and the dragon lady.

I always felt that white dudes with yellow fever must have small man-parts and felt that the size of Asian women would make their pitiful downstairs bits seem relatively larger, but a friend pointed out that it might actually be because they were just in general insecure about their masculinity, which may not (though probably does) include fears about their teeny-weeny. The image of the submissive oriental flower must be powerfully appealing to such sissy-men, no?

What do you all think?[/quote]
IMO this post is very offensive. You could say the same thing about African Americans who go after white women(and vice versa) or Asian women who seek out white men......tons of different combos out there. People have different tastes, should it matter what race they are? I find it odd that you single out white men when you could have just as easily attacked other groups in an equally racist fashion.

[EHK for Darwin]

I had an Asian thing. But I gave them up for Czechs upon my '05 visit there. No cultural fetishizing of the Czechs (honestly don't know enough about the culture to even begin to do that), they just have a consistent rate of hotness that exists nowhere else in the known world. As for the asians, just found them attractive. The meek and submissive stereotypes didn't do much for me and may have even been a turnoff. (interesting for a bit of bedroom play, boring for an extended relationship. Prefer an assertive personality.) And in my wealth of porn viewing experience I've noticed that ASIAN asian girls generally don't trim. Bountiful Bush is not your friend. American Asians are a different story of course, of which I have some limited personal experience.

I still reserve the right to be obsessed with [url="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0955471/"]Ziyi Zhang[/url]

And I hate anime.

[Yagathai]

I love all the creepy asian-fetish guys coming out of the woodwork and masking in trappings of political correctness their outrage over having their dysfunction attacked.

Raidne: You HAVE posted to this board before, right? ;) Hell, when it was just one post long the knuckleheads couldn't be bothered to read (or even skim) the thread.

[turinturambar]

[quote name='Yngwiegathai' post='1677335' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.22']I love all the creepy asian-fetish guys coming out of the woodwork and masking in trappings of political correctness their outrage over having their dysfunction attacked.

Raidne: You HAVE posted to this board before, right? ;) Hell, when it was just one post long the knuckleheads couldn't be bothered to read (or even skim) the thread.[/quote]

I've only dated one Asian woman in my life(BTW she had a thing for white guys). What I don't get is why you single these guys out? IMO, very offensive and racist.

[Datepalm]

[quote name='cyrano' post='1677178' date='Feb 6 2009, 23.00']You know what annoys me the most? That Asian is now shorthand for far east Asia. Its time to take back the term, dammit. I am Asian, hear me roar!

Anyways, no one has a fetish for Indian men. It is known.[/quote]

There, there. I had mildly serious crush on an Indian kid back in 7th grade, if it helps. :)

[EHK for Darwin]

[quote name='Yngwiegathai' post='1677335' date='Feb 6 2009, 16.22']I love all the creepy asian-fetish guys coming out of the woodwork and masking in trappings of political correctness their outrage over having their dysfunction attacked.

Raidne: You HAVE posted to this board before, right? ;) Hell, when it was just one post long the knuckleheads couldn't be bothered to read (or even skim) the thread.[/quote]

There are alot of weird fetishes out there. What exactly is the problem with an Asian one even if it takes the form you describe? I find feet fetish people to be much more odd and disturbing. And that isn't even getting into the more sicker ones like scat, bestiality, and extreme bdsm. Does your mockery extend to everyone who has a non-vanilla fetish?

[Eponine]

[quote name='turinturambar' post='1677339' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.24']I've only dated one Asian woman in my life(BTW she had a thing for white guys). What I don't get is why you single these guys out? IMO, very offensive and racist.[/quote]

No matter how many times it's explained, you people don't get it, huh?

It's not about white guys who've dated Asian women because they liked the person as an individual and thought she was pretty as an individual.

That is not the same as the kind of person who would say something like "I had an Asian thing". WTF?

If you don't know what kind of guy was being referenced in the OP then you're lucky. Maybe it's not a wide-spread thing. But it's a real thing. And you can say that people are always going to treat other people as objects or symbols instead of individuals, but this is the one I have experience with. And it's not awesome realizing that someone is dating you JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ASIAN.

Anyway, I think this entire thread was a bad idea. (And the problem with this one, vs. how I might feel about any other fetish is that this one is personal).

[Guest Raidne]

[quote name='turinturambar' post='1677339' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.24']I've only dated one Asian woman in my life(BTW she had a thing for white guys). What I don't get is why you single these guys out? IMO, very offensive and racist.[/quote]

*sigh*

Yags, from page 2:

[quote]I've got nothing at all against interracial relationships (obviously), so long as the relationship in question is about a person liking another person, not a person getting turned on by a racial stereotype.[/quote]

Although I see now that I'm ruining his fun. Yags, if it's not offensive of me to ask, is your father perhaps in the category of white men who married Asian women? I only ask because of convenience as it would possibly stop the prattling on about you being racist toward white men.

[Deluge]

[quote name='Eponine' post='1677347' date='Feb 6 2009, 17.31']And it's not awesome realizing that someone is dating you JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ASIAN.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, from your experience (feel free not to answer if I'm being an asshole for bringing it up) is there a distinction in behavior between white guys who find Asian features attractive and white guys who go out of their way to date Asian girls because of some preconceived stereotypes about Asian behavior?