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Thanks RT, I was wondering if there had been a specific reference somewhere like a So Spake GRRM but I never paid attention to that because I didn't think it would be taken down. I guess it was just originally assumed and then unassumed. 

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A wiki policy question for @Ran :

On the Fandom/Wikia network, such as the TV show wiki, Star Wars' Wookieepedia, etc., the higher-up staff within the organization explained to us that they have a strict "no nudity" policy, which we've tried to enforce.  We cannot post screencapped images containing:

  • Genitals
  • Buttocks
  • Exposed female breasts

Does the same rule apply to Westeros.org's Wiki of Ice and Fire regarding images containing nudity?  

I think there are two broad categories:  officially commissioned artwork, and the more nebulous "good fanart that got picked for inclusion in the wiki".  

I.e. there's an officially commissioned artwork for "Barter Beach" (in the Basilisk Isles) created by John McCambridge for A World of Ice and Fire, posted on Deviantart....not included in the print version.  Possibly due to censorship because it has topless women in it:  

Similarly, artwork depicting the warrior-women of the Hyrkoon city-states - who, as Addam of Duskendale frequently reminds us, go about in everyday life with their breasts bare, with iron rings pierced in their nipples and rubies studded in their cheeks.

Obviously this type of thing is a broad policy rule and I have no intention of disputing it - on the TV show wiki I just accepted it as a given - but I'm not actually sure what the stated policy IS on A Wiki of Ice and Fire.   

 

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I found possible errata.

In AGOT Catelyn IX it is mentioned that Walder is surrounded by twenty living sons (minus Ser Perwyn, who would have made twenty-one), thirty-six grandsons, nineteen great-grandsons,

But there are several problems 

Walder had only 29 grandsons and 17 great-grandsons from trueborn Freys during events of that chapter, and some like Bloodborn or Cleos shouldn't be there.

Second, without Geremy, he has 21 son. But, Emmon shouldn't be there, same with Luceon and Willamen.

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Quick question:  I was talking about World of Ice and Fire and Fire and Blood with someone, regarding the relative size of material cut from the final release (i.e. "All of Sons of the Dragon was released; but nearly all of the Regency was cut, which was "nearly as long" as the Dance material, and has not been released).

I also remembered that at some point Elio mentioned in passing material which was cut from the World book from "beyond Westeros" - stuff that couldn't plausibly be included in a Targaryen history like Fire and Blood (....*maybe* some anecdotes about the Starks which got cut could be included as a footnote in a Targaryen history, as it is a history "of Westeros").  

But I remember @Ran remarking that there was "more" material on the Dothraki and Yi Ti which got cut.  

1 - Regarding material about regions "beyond Westeros" which wouldn't plausibly fit into a Targaryen history book like Fire and Blood, specifically which regions have more unreleased material?  Just "the Dothraki" and "Yi Ti", or some other stuff too on Hyrkoon, Qarth, etc?

2 - ....I don't know if you'd be willing to release a specific word count, but off the top of your head, about how much material on the Dothraki and Yi Ti was left unreleased?  Just in terms of "the Regency material is nearly as long as the Dance material" - was it just a few notes here and there on Yi Ti?  Or is it a case of "actually the amount GRRM wrote is fully twice as long as what we were able to fit in that chapter of the print book"?

I'm not sure how those would get released - the app or a future edition.

I ask here because I wanted to update the wiki article on the World book just as we made a list of contents for the Fire and Blood article.  

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I think a lot of the cutting down was something that was done toward the end when we saw the size of it, and I think a lot of the decisions there were more from Anne than us. Doing a quick check, it may not be Yi Ti that had some cuts to it. I will say that I don't think any of the areas in the east had cuts remotely as substantial as the Regency material, for example.

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Ack - well even a single paragraph can be pretty big info.  The mental comparison I keep using is the Greystarks mentioned on literally one page in ADWD....describing a centuries-long major conflict in sweeping terms.  Compared to 10 pages of intense characterization description about Maegor and Aenys.  

Speaking of Anne....I'm submitting convention panels again for NYCC - I've only gotten into local panels before, and NYCC hasn't had a GoT/ASOIAF panel in four years now.   Given that Fire and Blood Volume 1 will be coming out around Christmas 2018, one of the panels I'm submitting is on "This is what Fire and Blood Volume 1 is, it's an outline of the Game of Thrones prequel successor show storylines, and if you only know the main TV show this is what the other prequel eras are like".   The topic feels timely enough.  

Given that Anne lives in NYC, can you contact her and ask if she'd like to "appear" at this, to promote the books?  She can do as much or as little work as she wants (anything from "if Anne is turned off by the idea of asking her to do a lot of stuff, she can just sit there and field a few questions but I'm doing all the heavy work" to "Anne would feel slighted if she wasn't outright co-hosting").  I'd also love to pick her brain on questions like how much of one thing or another got cut.

I might not get a panel at all due to heavy competition - but if I can put on the application "GRRM's editor will be there" it might help get our foot in the door.  

Last time I ran panels in the NYC area I didn't advertise it to keep shownlies from attacking it, but even GRRM (via livejournal comments) pointed out this was pretty silly and it would be smarter to try to organize a bigger fan gathering months in advance.

Edited by The Dragon Demands

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And in regards to my question about what wiki policy is for posting official and/or unofficial artwork containing nudity? (the only official artwork of certain characters/places contains nudity).  

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There's a Daenerys image in a Qartheen gown in the Wiki. I think our preference is that such images not be used as the primary image, but as a secondary image in the course of an article, that is generally okay.

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