denstorebog Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Is it an oxymoron? Can males actually be feminists? I've experienced being called out on my opinions on account of being male here in GC once in a while. There's a segment of feminist women who believe that the idea of pro-feminist males runs counter to the essential meaning of feminism. Personally, I totally see the merits of this idea; a true transfer of power cannot come about if it happens only by the good graces of the power holders. Others might argue that the balance between genders can happen only if the genders come together (much as the humans and the Cylons came together in the final ep of BSG, handing a huge bucket of kickass to the unreasonable Cylon models, etc. etc.). So what do you think? Is a man calling himself a feminist just a man who wants to pick up feminist women? If so, does it work? Or can it be an earnest sentiment? And if so, should men actively partake in the transfer of power, even though that might sully the idea of the oppressed gender taking control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I really don't see the problems with the idea of male feminists. Sure, we shouldn't be running the movement, but there shouldn't be anything wrong with us expressing solidarity with our sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I don't mind male feminists (as long as they're not white-knights in disguise.) It's also the ones that post with unnecessary minor spoilers for BSG that get to me. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatole Kuragin Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='denstorebog' post='1735108' date='Mar 26 2009, 21.42']So what do you think? Is a man calling himself a feminist just a man who wants to pick up feminist women? If so, does it work? Or can it be an earnest sentiment?[/quote] We in the Males Influenced by Libido Foundation have come to the conclusion that most males who operate under this guise are looking for some sort of compensation in the neighborhood of lovin' at cons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eponine Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 If being a feminist means seeking a society with equal opportunity regardless of gender, then certainly men should be feminists. If being a feminist means running your mouth a lot about aforementioned society, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-ahrairah Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Just like Socialism, Judaism, Environmentalism, or Sadism, Feminism is simply a set of ideas and opinions that can be held by either gender. For the record, I'm a male anti-feminist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatole Kuragin Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='El-ahrairah' post='1735133' date='Mar 26 2009, 21.55']Just like Socialism, Judaism, Environmentalism, or Sadism, Feminism is simply a set of ideas and opinions that can be held by either gender. For the record, I'm a male anti-feminist.[/quote] You WOULD say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delete this account pls Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='El-ahrairah' post='1735133' date='Mar 27 2009, 13.55']Just like Socialism, Judaism, Environmentalism, or Sadism, Feminism is simply a set of ideas and opinions that can be held by either gender. For the record, I'm a male anti-feminist.[/quote] I think your looking for the douchebag thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoë Sumra Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Male feminists definitely exist (and definitely should exist), but IMO they're rarer than they think. It takes real balls, pun intended, for men to accept it's a good thing to lose not just the overt sexism but the covert sexism within society that benefits them. Most people don't like giving up something that benefits them. It also takes... well. As has been mentioned in the housework thread, a proportion of men - by no means all - have been raised by their parents and other social structures to think they're the centre of the universe. It can be slightly tricky for men like this to realise they need to stop talking about the man's place within feminism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thebadlady Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 lol My main objection to the feminist threads here has always been the same - the topic gets started, people start yelling at the idiots (good start there, nice snark), then the men argue with each other about what feminism really means and drown out the women. Its seems so patronizing. (no, i can't get firefox to work so now everyone knows i can't spell :P) Its also really infuriating to be told you are a shite feminist by a man. Burning goats, sacrifical testes, etc. Hates the white knight thing too. ALSO patronizing as all fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord O' Bones Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='thebadlady' post='1735162' date='Mar 26 2009, 20.12']Hates the white knight thing too. ALSO patronizing as all fuck.[/quote] I'd be happy to help you with your spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='thebadlady' post='1735162' date='Mar 26 2009, 20.12']My main objection to the feminist threads here has always been the same - [b]the topic gets started, people start yelling at the idiots (good start there, nice snark), then the men argue with each other about what feminism really means and drown out the women[/b]. Its seems so patronizing. (no, i can't get firefox to work so now everyone knows i can't spell :P) Its also really infuriating to be told you are a shite feminist by a man.[/quote] It's so true, though. I also love the threads where some women call out some guy for saying some asshole sexist thing, flame war erupts, one or two men agree with the women, and then it's the men arguing with each other, because they get more credit with the other guys since they don't have a stake in it, or whatever. Same thing you object to, I guess. Except in a lot of discussions, that isn't Male Feminist's fault necessarily, it's just that Sexist Asshole is more willing to address that guy and brush off all the women as being hysterical. Or Feminazis. Pick yer poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thebadlady Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 That is really sweet. You simply are too great to be One of Those. :grouphug: (omg, what did I spell wrong that time??!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoë Sumra Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='Kat' post='1735185' date='Mar 27 2009, 03.32']It's so true, though. I also love the threads where some women call out some guy for saying some asshole sexist thing, flame war erupts, one or two men agree with the women, and then it's the men arguing with each other, because they get more credit with the other guys since they don't have a stake in it, or whatever. Same thing you object to, I guess. Except in a lot of discussions, that isn't Male Feminist's fault necessarily, it's just that Sexist Asshole is more willing to address that guy and brush off all the women as being hysterical. Or Feminazis. Pick yer poison.[/quote] :grouphug: More of that sexism/privilege stuff cropping up. And it will again, in this thread, oh I am sure of it. [quote name='El-ahrairah' post='1735133' date='Mar 27 2009, 02.55']For the record, I'm a male anti-feminist.[/quote] ... soooo... you don't think women are individuals who deserve to be treated like human beings. Glad we've got that settled so early in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbor Gold Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='thebadlady' post='1735162' date='Mar 26 2009, 20.12'](no, i can't get firefox to work so now everyone knows i can't spell :P)[/quote] [threadjack] Does your firefox offer alternate spelling suggestions? Mine just tells me that something is spelled wrong, and since I wrote the word the way I think it's spelled, just telling me I'm wrong is infuriating and not helpful. [/threadjack] As far as male feminists are concerned, I think I've only encountered the annoying white knight. All the others are likely just guys I think are cool, so I don't really notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thebadlady Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Firefox does the squiggles under the mistype, and if you double click, it offers alternatives. I MISS it so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delete this account pls Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 [quote name='Arbor Gold' post='1735206' date='Mar 27 2009, 14.45'][threadjack] Does your firefox offer alternate spelling suggestions? Mine just tells me that something is spelled wrong, and since I wrote the word the way I think it's spelled, just telling me I'm wrong is infuriating and not helpful. [/threadjack][/quote] You have to right click, lil lady. *gallops away on white horse* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stego Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Think all Feminists are sexists. By choice. Why would anyone want to forward people simply because of their genitalia? Needle once told me I was a feminist and I giggled a lot. I consider myself a Humanist, and females are certainly included. But I would never try to forward one sex over the other. ETA: [b]Humanism[/b] is a broad category of ethical philosophies that affirm the dignity and worth of all people, based on the ability to determine right and wrong by appealing to universal human qualities, particularly rationality, without resorting to the supernatural or alleged divine authority from religious texts. Feminism, much like communism, in theory is great, but it ends up, in my limited experience, to be little more than veiled misandry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thebadlady Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 My white horse attempt was a miserable fail. Thats kinda funny. :lol: Stegho, I prefer humanist as well. More descriptive and has much less baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stego Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Also, as the WK Syndrome, I grew up having fantasies of saving a beautiful girl form bad guys and having her want to kiss me. Fuck you all for saying my sweet childhood dreams are wrong. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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