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MinotaurWarrior Noble

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I do hate a lot of the Meerenese names though - in fact I find them so bad that it interferes with my ability to distinguish between characters which I think played a large part in why I didn't enjoy Dany's arc in ADWD.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely agree with you there. My eyes skip over everything but the first letter, most of the time.

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Jude-the-Obscure Hedge Knight

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For all those of you who think a name pronuounced Jay - mee is effeminate I just dare you to go to Glascow at pub kicking out time, stand in a street with a megaphone and announce said belief.

If you do, I hope you can run fast enough to avoid all those effeminate Jamies - if not then I hope your life insurance is up to date. :stillsick: :ack: :stillsick:

When I read the books I pronounced the name as identical to the pronunciation of the French phrase J'aime - with a soft J and a bit of a lilt. It sounds a little exotic, but still very medieval (after all medieval english had a hell of a lot of French in it). Also I thought it was a pun on GRRM's part. J'aime can mean I like or I love, and I thought it was a sly dig at the Cersei's love for him, and Jaime's love of himself. Hearing it on the HBO series was a truly "HUH?!?" moment. I always pronounced Tyrion and Cersei exactly the same as they are in the series.

Jude-the-yes-I'm-called-Jude-but-I'm-still-a-woman-as-it's-short-for-Judith

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Same - I didn't really understand the distinctions the poster was trying to make. But to me it's just rob. As in "I'm going to rob that bank.".

Huh. Never thought of it like that. How about "Bran"? Do you say it more like "BRANNNN" or more like "BRANNNN-NNN"?

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Suzette Hedge Knight

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No, I consider Jamie traditionally to be a boy's name - derived from James, obviously - but we've discussed in the names thread v.2 over in GC the way a name can drift from being purely a boy's name to be used for girls as well. The two women named "Jamie" that I can think of offhand are actually both "Jamie-Lynn" (Spears and Sigler), where the "Lynn" clarifies the gender nicely.

/tangent

I know 3 girls named Jamie. No hyphen just Jamie.

I don't know any guys named Jamie. When I fist say it I thought.... Why does this dude have a girls name.

Names differ depending on where you live.

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I pronounced it in Spanish my first read-through, since "Jaime" does not, to my knowledge, exist in English. (And hey, GRRM lives in the Southwest, he must realize how it's pronounced, right?) Gradually I came to suspect that, as the series is written in English and most English-speakers don't know how to pronounce Spanish names, that's probably not what GRRM intended, and after all the name "Jayme" (pronounced like Jamie, not Jame, I think) does exist in English and GRRM was probably just fooling with that.

As a sidenote, I find it funny that Tywin Lannister gave his little golden boy such an effeminate name, and his hated dwarf son such a kingly one. If it doesn't embarrass you too much, try saying "Tyrion Lannister" in a booming voice. Awesome. Now try the same with "JAY-me Lannister." Doesn't work.

But while we're on the topic, it's Cersei, not Cercei.

Speaking of Cersei, how did people pronounce her name before the tv series, I seem to go for about 3 different pronunciations, Cer-say, Cer-see, Cer-sy (as in defy), depending on mood. How about others?

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A while age we had a discuusion on some other place; here are some names and my pronunciations.

Baratheon - with the accent on the second syllable

Brienne - Bri-ENNE

Catelyn - Cat-e-lin

Cersei - with a soft 'c'

Davos - Dah-vohse

Frey - 'fray'

Gendry - with a hard 'g'

Lysa - Lisa, short 'i'

Margaery - soft 'g

Petyr - like "peh-tear" (short "e" sound)

Targaryen - accent on the first syllable

Tully - short "u" -- "tuh-lee"

Tyrion, Tywin - both short (TIR-i-on, TIH-win)

So about the Jaime thing - when I first read it I pronounced it in the spanish way because I think it sounds really good, so it comes back spontaneously even now.

Arya - To me is similiar to the name Arria which is a ancient Roman name so I pronounce like this

Arianne - I actually use the version Ar-ri-anna; I know that it doesn't have the -e at the end but I always liked the name and the first time I saw her name in the book the -e somehow slipped.

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A while age we had a discuusion on some other place; here are some names and my pronunciations.

And here are some of mine:

  • Aegon — [ˈeɪgən]
  • Aegor — [ˈeɪgɔɹ]
  • Aemon — [ˈeɪmən]
  • Aerion — [ˈeɪɹiən]
  • Aeron — [ˈeɪɹən]
  • Aerys — [ˈeɪɹɨs]
  • Alayne — [əˈleɪn]
  • Allyria — [əˈliːɹiə]
  • Alys — [ˈælɨs]
  • Alysane — [ˈælɨsən]
  • Amerei — [ˈæm(ə)ɹeɪ]
  • Archmaester — [ˈɒːɹt͡ʃmeɪstɚ]
  • Arianne — [eɪɹiˈæn]
  • Arryn — [ˈeɪɹɨn]
  • Arya — [ˈɒːɹjə], [ˈɒɹiə]
  • Arys — [ˈeɪɹɨs]
  • Asha — [æˈʃə]
  • Ashara — [əˈʃɒɹə]
  • Asshaii — [əˈʃɒɪ]
  • Asshai'i — [əˈʃɒʔiː]
  • Astapor — [ˈæstəpɔɹ]
  • Aurane — [ˈɔːɹən]
  • Azor Ahai — [əˈzɔɹ əˈhaɪ]
  • Baelish — [ˈbeɪlɨʃ]
  • Baelor — [ˈbeɪlɔɹ]
  • Balerion — [bəˈleɹiən]
  • Balon — [ˈbeɪlən]
  • Baratheon — [bəˈɹæθiən]
  • Barristan Selmy — [ˈbeɹɨstən ˈsɛɫmi]
  • Bellegere Otherys — [ˈbɛlɨgiːɹ ɔˈθeɹɨs]
  • Bolton — [ˈboʊɫtən]
  • Braavos — [ˈbɹɒːvos]
  • Bran — [ˈbɹæn]
  • Brienne — [bɹaɪˈɛn], [bɹiˈɛn]
  • Brynden — [ˈbɹɪndən]
  • Catelyn Tully — [ˈkʰæt(ə)lɨn ˈtʰʌli]
  • Celtigar — [ˈkɛɫtɨgɑɹ] , [ˈkɛɫtɨgɚ]
  • Cersei — [ˈsɝseɪ], [ˈsɝsiː]
  • Cerwyn — [ˈkeɪɹwɨn]
  • Chataya — [ʃəˈtajə]
  • Clegane — [kʰlɨˈgeɪn]
  • Cleos — [ˈkʰliɔs]
  • crannog — [ˈkʰɹænəɡ]
  • Craster — [ˈkʰɹæstɚ]
  • cyvasse — [sɨˈvɒːs]
  • Daario Naharys — [ˈdɒːɹioʊ nəˈheɹɨs]
  • Daemon — [ˈdeɪmən]
  • Daena — [ˈdeɪnə]
  • Daenerys — [deɪˈneɹɨs]
  • Daeron — [ˈdeɪɹən]
  • Dany — [ˈdæni]
  • Davos — [ˈdævos]
  • Dayne — [ˈdeɪn]
  • Donal Noye — [ˈdɔnəɫ ˈnɔɪ]
  • Doran — [ˈdɔɹən]
  • dosh khaleen — [ˈd̪oʃ kʰaˈliːn]
  • Dothraki — [d̪oˈθɾaki]
  • Drogo — [ˈd̪ɾogo]
  • Drogon — [ˈdɹoʊgɒn]
  • Dywin — [ˈdaɪwɨn]
  • Elaena — [ɛˈleɪnə]
  • Eleyna — [ɛˈleɪnə]
  • Essos — [ˈɛsos], [ˈiːsɔs]
  • Euron — [ˈjuːɹɒn]
  • Eyrie — [ˈiːɹi]
  • Frey — [ˈfɹeɪ]
  • Gendry — [ˈgɛndɹi]
  • Genna — [ˈdʒɛnə]
  • Gerion — [ˈgeɪɹiən]
  • Gerris — [ˈgɛɹɨs]
  • Ghiscari — [ɣɪʃˈkaɾi]
  • Ghys — [ˈgiːs], [ˈɣis]
  • Gilly — [ˈgɪli]
  • Grazdan mo Eraz — [ˈgɾɑʒd̪ən mɵ eˈɾɑːʒ]
  • Gyles — [ˈdʒaɪlz]
  • Harghaz — [harˈɣɑːʒ]
  • Hizdahr zo Loraq — [ˈhɪʒd̪ɑːr zɵ lɔˈɾɑːχ]
  • Hodor — [ˈhoʊdɔɹ]
  • Hoster — [ˈhɔstɚ]
  • Illyrio Mopatis — [ɪˈliːɹioʊ moʊˈpɒtɨs], [iˈliːɾio moˈpatis]
  • Ilyn Payne — [ˈɪlɨn ˈpʰeɪn]
  • Jaehaerys — [d͡ʒeɪˈheɪɹɨs]
  • Jaime — [ˈd͡ʒeɪmi] as in English Jamie, not [ˈxaɪme] as in Spanish Jaime
  • Jalabhar Xho — [ˈd͡ʒɒləbɚ ˈʃoʊ]
  • Janos Slynt — [ˈd͡ʒænəs ˈslint], [ˈd͡ʒɒnɔs ˈslint]
  • Jaqen H'ghar — [ˈd͡ʒɒxɨn həˈɣaːɾ]
  • Jeine Poole — [ˈd͡ʒeɪn ˈpʰuːɫ], not [ˈd͡ʒiːni ˈpʰuːɫ]
  • Jeor — [ˈd͡ʒɔɹ]
  • Jhaqo — [ˈd͡ʒako]
  • Jhiqui — [ˈd͡ʒiːkwi]
  • Jhogo — [ˈd͡ʒogo]
  • Joffrey — [ˈd͡ʒɔːfɹi]
  • Jojen — [ˈd͡ʒoʊd͡ʒən]
  • Jorah — [ˈd͡ʒɔɹə]
  • Joramun — [ˈd͡ʒɔɹəmən]
  • Jyana — [d͡ʒaɪˈænə], [d͡ʒiˈɒnə]
  • Kevan — [ˈkʰɛvən]
  • Khaleesi — [ˈkʰaliːsi]
  • Khal — [ˈkʰaːɫ]
  • Khorane Sathmantes — [kʰɔˈɹeɪn sɐðˈmantes]
  • Khyzai — [ˈkʰaɪzaɪ]
  • Kraznys mo Nakloz — [ˈkʰrɑːʒnɨʃ mɵ nəˈkɫoːʒ]
  • Kurz — [ˈkɝːts]
  • Lannister — [ˈlænɨstɚ]
  • Lemore — [ləˈmɔɹ]
  • Lhazar — [ləˈzɑːɹ], [ɬəˈzɑːɾ]
  • Lomas — [ˈloʊməs]
  • Loras Tyrell — [ˈlɔɹəs tʰaɪˈɹɛɫ]
  • Loreza Sand — [lɔˈɹeɪzə ˈsænd]
  • Lotho Lornel — [ˈlɔːθoʊ ˈlɔɹnəɫ], [ˈloʊðoʊ lɔɹˈnəɫ]
  • Lucion — [ˈluʃən]
  • Lyanna — [liˈænə]
  • Lysa — [ˈlʌɪsə], [ˈlaɪzə]
  • Lys — [ˈlɪs]
  • Maege — [ˈmædʒ]
  • Maegor — [ˈmeɪgɔɹ]
  • Maelys — [ˈmeɪlɨs]
  • maester — [ˈmeɪstɚ]
  • Mance Raidar — [ˈmæns ˈɹeɪdɚ]
  • Manderly — [ˈmændɚli]
  • Margaery — [ˈmɑɹdʒəɹi], [ˈmɑɹgəɹi]
  • Marghaz zo Loraq — [marˈɣɑːʒ zɵ lɔˈɾɑːχ]
  • Marillion — [məˈɹɪljən]
  • Marwyn — [ˈmɑɹwɨn]
  • Matarys — [məˈtæɹɨs], [məˈtɒɹɨs]
  • Meera — [ˈmiːɹə]
  • Mellisandre — [ˌmɛlɨˈsɒndɹ̩]
  • Meraxes — [məˈɹæksiːs]
  • Mhaegan — [ˈmʲeɪgən]
  • Mirri dur Maz — [ˈmiri duɾ ˈmɒz]
  • Missandei — [mɨˈsɒndeɪ]
  • Moat Cailin — [ˌmoʊt ˈkeɪlɨn]
  • Moqorro — [mɵˈkɔːɹoʊ], [moˈxoro]
  • Moredo Prestayn — [moˈɹeɪdoʊ pɹɛsˈteɪn]
  • Mormont — [ˈmɔɹmɒnt]
  • Mya — [ˈmaɪjə]
  • Mycah — [ˈmʌɪkə]
  • Myrcella — [mɚˈsɛlə]
  • Myr — [ˈmiːɹ]
  • Naerys — [ˈneɪɹɨs]
  • Nage — [ˈnaːgə]
  • Nymeria — [nɨˈmeɹiə], [naɪˈmiːɹiə]
  • Obara — [oʊˈbɒɹə]
  • Oberyn Martell — [ˈoʊb(ə)ɹɨn mɒɹˈtɛɫ]
  • Oleanna — [oʊliˈænə]
  • Osfryd — [ˈɔːsfɹiːd]
  • Osha — [ˈɔːʃə]
  • Ossifer — [ˈɔːsɨfɚ]
  • Pentos — [ˈpʰɛntɔs]
  • Perra Frey — [ˈbɪt͡ʃ ˈfɹeɪ]
  • Petyr — [ˈpʰiːtɚ]
  • Prendahl na Ghezn — [pɾɛnˈd̪ɒːɫ nə ˈɣɛʒn̩]
  • Pyat Pree — [ˈpʰɒt ˈpʰɹiː]
  • Pycelle — [pʰaɪˈsɛɫ]
  • Qarro Volentin — [ˈkʰɒːɹoʊ vɵˈlɛntɨn], [ˈkʰaro voˈlẽ̞n̪t̪ĩn]
  • Qarth — [ˈkʰaɹθ]
  • Qohor — [kʰoʊˈhɔr]
  • Qorgyle — [ˈkʰɔɹgaɪɫ]
  • Qos — [ˈkʰɔːʃ]
  • Quaithe — [ˈkʰweɪð]
  • Quentyn — [ˈkʰwɛntɨn]]
  • Qyburn — [ˈkʰaɪbɚn]
  • Raimar Royce — [ˈɹeɪmɒɹ ˈɹɔɪs], [ˈɹeɪmɚ ˈɹɔɪs]
  • Rakharo — [ɹəˈkɒːɹoʊ], [raˈkaɾo]
  • Ramsay — [ˈɹæmzi]
  • Randyll — [ˈɹændəɫ]
  • Renly — [ˈɹɛnli]
  • Rhaegal —[ˈɹʷeɪgəɫ]
  • Rhaegar —[ˈɹʷeɪgɑɹ], [ˈɹʷeɪgɚ]
  • Rhaelle — [ˈɹʷeɪɫ]
  • Rhaena — [ˈɹʷeɪnə]
  • Rhaenys — [ˈɹʷeɪnɨs]
  • R’hllor — [ɹʷəˈlɔɹ], [ʀəˈɬoʀ]
  • Rhysling — [ˈɹʷiːzliŋ]
  • Rickard — [ˈɹɪkɚd]
  • Rickon — [ˈɹɪkən]
  • Roose — [ˈruːs]
  • Ryman — [ˈɹaɪmən]
  • Salladhor Saan — [ˈsæləðɔɹ ˈsaːn]
  • Sallei Paege — [ˈsæli ˈpeɪd͡ʒ]
  • Sansa — [ˈsɒnzə]
  • Selyse — [s(ə)ˈliːz]
  • ser — [ˈsɝː]
  • Serra — [ˈseɹə]
  • Shae — [ˈʃeɪ]
  • Shireen — [ʃɨˈɹiːn]
  • Skahazadhan — [ʃkɒˈhɑʒəðɒn], [skəˈhɒzədən]
  • Skahaz mo Kandaq — [ʃkəˈhɑːʒ mɵ kʰənˈdɑːχ]
  • Stannis — [ˈstænɨs]
  • Syrio Forel — [ˈsiːɹioʊ fɵˈɹɛɫ], [ˈsiɾio foˈɾɛl]
  • Targaryen — [tɒɹˈgeɪɹjɨn], [taɾˈgæɾiən]
  • Thoros — [ˈθɔːɹos]
  • Tobho Mott — [ˈtʰɔbɵ ˈmɒt]
  • tokar — [ˈtʰokaɾ]
  • Tommen — [ˈtʰɔːmən], [ˈtʰoʊmən]
  • Tormund — [ˈtʰɔːɹmʌnd]
  • Torrhen Stark — [ˈtʰɔːɹən ˈstaɹk]
  • Trystane Martell — [ˈtɹɪstən mɒɹˈtɛɫ]
  • Tycho Nestoris — [ˈtʰʌikoʊ nɛsˈtɔɹɨs]
  • Tyene — [ˈtʰaɪn], [ˈtʰiːən]
  • Tygette — [ˈtʰaɪgɨt]
  • Tyrek — [ˈtʰaɪɹɛk]
  • Tyrell — [tʰaɪˈɹɛɫ]
  • Tyrion — [ˈtʰiːɹiən]
  • Tyrosh — [tʰɨˈɹɔʃ]
  • Tysha — [ˈtʰɪʃə]
  • Tytos — [ˈtʰʌɪtɵs]
  • Tywin — [ˈtʰaɪwɨn]
  • Umber — [ˈʌmbɚ]
  • Urrigon — [ˈuɹəgən], [ˈuːɹɨgɒn]
  • Vaes Dothrak — [ˈvaɪz d̪ɵˈθɾaːk]
  • Valyria — [vəˈliːɹiə]
  • Varamyr — [ˈvæɹəmɚ]
  • Varys — [ˈvæɹɨs]
  • Velaryon — [vɨˈleɪɹjɒn], [vɨˈlæɹiən]
  • Vhagar — [ˈveɪgɒɹ], [ˈvægɚ]
  • Visenya — [vɨˈsɛnjə]
  • Viserion — [vɨˈseɹiən]
  • Viserys — [vɨˈseɹɨs]
  • Volantis — [vɵˈlæntɨs]
  • Waynwood — [ˈweɪnwʊd]
  • Wendello qar Deeth — [wɛnˈdɛlo xaɾ ˈd̪iːθ]
  • Westeros — [ˈwɛstəɹos]
  • Westerosi — [ˌwɛstəˈɹoʊzi]
  • Whalen — [ˈʍeɪlən]
  • wight — [ˈwʌɪt]
  • Wylis — [ˈwaɪlɨs]
  • Wylla — [ˈwilə]
  • Wyman — [ˈwaɪmən]
  • Xaro Xhoan Daxos — [ˈxaɾo ˈχɔan ˈd̪axoʃ]
  • Xhondo Dhoru — [ˈχɔnd̪o ˈðoɾu]
  • Ygritte — [ɨˈgɹɪt]
  • Yohn — [ˈjɔːn]
  • Yunkai — [ˈjunkaɪ]
  • Yunkai’i — [junˈkaʔiː]
  • Zei — [ˈzeɪ]

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Leslie, Evelyn, and Meredith used to be male names, now they are almost exclusively female (though I do here Leslie occasionally).

Jamie/Jaime, derived from James, is traditionally a male name, that now is used for female. Pronounced Jay-mee, I don't think it's any more "feminine" sounding for a guy than Jimmy.

Language people, help me out here: what's the term for a derivative word that indicates something smaller and/or affectionate? i.e., "chiquita" for "chica"; "Nancy" for "Ann" and likewise "Jamie" for "James"? I'm blanking on the term right now.

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Language people, help me out here: what's the term for a derivative word that indicates something smaller and/or affectionate? i.e., "chiquita" for "chica"; "Nancy" for "Ann" and likewise "Jamie" for "James"? I'm blanking on the term right now.

It’s a diminutive, “used to convey a slight degree of the root meaning, smallness of the object or quality named, encapsulation, intimacy, or endearment.” Spanish has a huge whole lot of them as productive suffixes, which doesn’t even count the standard shortcuts for names, like Paco for Francisco, or Jaime for Diego or Tiago.

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Language people, help me out here: what's the term for a derivative word that indicates something smaller and/or affectionate? i.e., "chiquita" for "chica"; "Nancy" for "Ann" and likewise "Jamie" for "James"? I'm blanking on the term right now.

Diminutive is the word you seek

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