snake Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Seems WikiLeaks is gonna put out some State Dept info that could damage US relations around the world. Diplomats are already warning countries of the potential fallouts. This could be very interesting.Story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantabile Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 *grabs some popcorn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ahh America thinking it can act with impunity and talk shit about its allies behind their backs? Why am I not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmail Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Weee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantabile Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ahh America thinking it can act with impunity and talk shit about its allies behind their backs? Why am I not surprised.I'm not really sure we can personify an entire country like that; when it comes down to it its individuals doing the shit-talking, not the country itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Bah, BRING IT ON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I'm not really sure we can personify an entire country like that; when it comes down to it its individuals doing the shit-talking, not the country itself.When the individuals are apparently speaking on behalf of the entity... yes I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 When the individuals are apparently speaking on behalf of the entity... yes I can.Except you don't know this at all.The information is so fucking sparse right now, you can't make any claim of this sort at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Based on what it says in the article, America is officially telling people "ok, just be calm because some shit about us that you aren't gonna like is coming out soon". Sends a pretty clear signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Based on what it says in the article, America is officially telling people "ok, just be calm because some shit about us that you aren't gonna like is coming out soon". Sends a pretty clear signal.No, it doesn't. It says it involves personal communications with "political dissidents and friendly politicians" that could erode trust in the US.That's so vague there's no way to draw any conclusions from it. Which makes it strange that you've immediately decided the US is stupid and fuck them and that this was all done in an official capacity, based on ... nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkostar Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ah, yes, Wikileaks. The hall monitors of the modern political world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Why is it up to this dude to potentially destabilize the world and it's political relations amongst countries?Anyways, Canada is thrilled they finally get a Wikileaks shout out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Why is it up to this dude to potentially destabilize the world and it's political relations amongst countries?Anyways, Canada is thrilled they finally get a Wikileaks shout out.Seriously? This is the "bad thing"?????Specifically, the documents coming out are rumoured to involve the kind of pressure that Washington was putting on allies to take their Guantanamo Bay detainees back and spare Obama the embarrassment. Canada has been unique as a western ally of the U.S. that has refused to take back its Gitmo resident, Omar Khadr. The potentially damaging news is that the US pressured the Harper Government to do the right fucking thing and stop being a bunch of Bushian racist cumstains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I have no idea what's in the documents, aside from what I've read in the Globe and Mail. Ultimately, it could be damaging to international relations. Or it could be reports on abuse of unicorns at Guantanamo. Who knows.In general, I ask why the founder of Wikileaks feels like he's the moral ground, out there on the interwebs. Find me a leader, anywhere at any time in history who didn't do underhanded dealings over something. This isn't about the US and how the gov't has done wrong. This is a question about what makes Wikileaks right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I suspect it may involve US embassy officials spying on foreign nationals (which it is expected that they do, but if confirmed usually leads to expulsions) there was some brouhaha about that over here a couple of weeks ago. This is a question about what makes Wikileaks right."Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I'm not really sure we can personify an entire country like that; when it comes down to it its individuals doing the shit-talking, not the country itself.It's not worth arguing with those who hate America blindly. You'll never change their minds and often, people who generalize Americans as stupid or evil--well, why hang out or talk with any bigot? Ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-for-Joffrey Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I have no idea what's in the documents, aside from what I've read in the Globe and Mail. Ultimately, it could be damaging to international relations. Or it could be reports on abuse of unicorns at Guantanamo. Who knows.In general, I ask why the founder of Wikileaks feels like he's the moral ground, out there on the interwebs. Find me a leader, anywhere at any time in history who didn't do underhanded dealings over something. This isn't about the US and how the gov't has done wrong. This is a question about what makes Wikileaks right.I don't understand criticizing the releasing of these documents as they clearly are not military-based and do not endanger people's lives. Sure Jullian Assange comes off as a self-assured d-bag but what he's really doing is very healthy for the world (except in cases where they release war documents that could endanger others -- but that debate has no place here in the current batch of released documents). Obviously world leaders have done vile, underhanded things since the dawn of mankind but that's no reason for it to continue and not hold them accountable. Wikileaks is the precursor to politics in the information age and making government dealings transparent is an extremely healthy thing for politics and democracy imho.ETA: That and, you know, drawing attention to things that our popular media fails and refuses to report on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 How is this going to make people more accountable? How is it going to prevent backroom, underhanded deals or government threats? Shit happens.All it's going to do is drive this kind of behaviour further underground and/or breed a new sort of traitor, or make it impossible for the things that need to be done, to get did. People over the course of time have had opportunity to come forward and 'tell the truth' but they haven't, because of the bigger implications. This isn't whistle-blowing. Julian Assange is more vile than a self-assured douchebag. None of this, to me, sounds like 'look at what the US gov't is doing'. It sounds like 'look at what I can do with my fancy computer skills and I hope I make the cover of Time and Wired.'As for the truth setting people free I ask, what price freedom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I never understood Assange-hate. I understand Assange-praise, but not Assange-hate. Personally, I feel Assange-apathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magic Man Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I never understood Assange-hate. I understand Assange-praise, but not Assange-hate. Personally, I feel Assange-apathy.He gives an appearance of scum and sleaze based on his effeminate appearance and passive-aggressive behavior. Add the allegations of rape to his active attacks against US policy and it's easy to see why he provokes hatred.I'm not saying that he's scummy or sleazy. I'm also not saying that he looks effete or acts passive-aggressively or that he raped some chick. But I do understand the hate against him.I wonder if he has family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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