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[ADWD SPOILERS] Daenerys 7

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As did I ^_^.

Poor Quentyn, he traveled all that way just to watch her marry some other guy while secretly banging some other douche. I'm really not liking Dany this book at all and she has swiftly fallen in my eyes as anyone I would actually want on the Iron Throne. I'm now really hoping Aegon is actually Aegon and takes the throne without her.

I kind of think the HUGE TWIST THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING would be for Dany to get the axe at the end of this one. I like reading about her, but killing her off would be ballsy and awesome.

I realize this is highly unlikely, but still... I've just been waiting for a really shocking death and this would be the ultimate.

Interesting about a possible clue to Tyrion's true father... and great timing since he is probably going to show up any day now.

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Argh, another of Dany's chapters, and what is she doing? Does she ever seriously plan to get to Westeros? I cannot believe she made so light of Quentyn showing up at court, with his offer of 50,000 spears, already in Westeros awaiting her arrival. And to look so low upon him because of his appearance.

She is in increasing danger, and really doing little to stop it (except marrying Hizdahr, hoping to create some peace in Meereen)... it would really make a lot of sense and would be the ultimate reality check for her to not make it past the end of this book. I am starting to feel amazed beyond belief at how long her 'luck' is holding out. I mean, this is a real place with war, betrayal, a plague on her doorsteps... and what is she doing to consolidate her position, or (as the former is pretty much pointless), get the hell out while she still can?

Wow, nothing here yet? I thought this was the most interestng Dany chapter yet. Aside from the marriage, we find out Aerys was infatuated with Joanna Lannister. That suddenly lends an enormous hint toward the Tyrion = Aerys + Joanna theory that was being thrown around before. It could just be a wink wink from GRRM since he's aware of the theory, but it might explain the dragon dreams. I always just shrugged off the theory before because the dragon dreams were really the only thing to back it up, but this was a pretty big hint that it's at least possible.

Ahh no, I don't think there is any way that Tyrion can be Aerys + Joanna's child. Just because Ser Barristan made that comment re: Aerys' infatuation for Joanna, does not mean that any progeny came of it... it is just a further reason (maybe the seed for) why Lord Tywin hated the Targaryen king. Also, Tyrion does dream of dragons, but plenty of other characters (who are not Targaryen) have an interest in them too. Tyrion is just well-read.

Also, he is the most like Lord Tywin, in intelligence and ruthlessness. He is his father's son.

As did I ^_^.

Poor Quentyn, he traveled all that way just to watch her marry some other guy while secretly banging some other douche. I'm really not liking Dany this book at all and she has swiftly fallen in my eyes as anyone I would actually want on the Iron Throne. I'm now really hoping Aegon is actually Aegon and takes the throne without her.

Argh I know - poor guy.

Barriston mentioned that Aerys did something during the bedding....that's when they carry the maiden up the stairs and strip her clothes off right? maybe he copped a feel?

Yep quite possibly.

Dany has lost all perspective in the last couple of chapters. I can forgive her being a clumsy but good-hearted, well-intentioned ruler, even after the brilliance of her campaign that brought her to Mereen. But letting her children starve to death outside the city gates while she ignores her duties at court to while away the days with a swaggering douchebucket like Daario... And then, clinging to the complete fantasy that this marriage will bring peace to Slaver's Bay, ON TOP OF turning down an army she wouldn't even have to transport to Westeros BECAUSE IT'S IN WESTEROS ALREADY???

I just -- it pains me.

And lets not forget ignoring the dragons, the obviousness of the Green Grace being the harpy -- helloooo, Dany? Harpies are what sex? Female! You don't think they just named their group that because of Ghis, do you?

But whatevs. You win some, you lose some. Dorne will get its Targaryen soon enough in the form of Aegon (along with a probable greyscale plague) when he shows up with the Golden Company. The Dance With Dragons will be Targaryen against Targaryen for the Iron Throne at this rate. If Dany ever gets to Westeros, that is.

:bowdown:

I’ll add my pet theory that I've had since AFFC…everyone seems to think that Tyrion is the lovechild of Aerys and Joanna, however, I think it is Jamie and Cersei. I think this hammered at Tywin’s pride…seeing his perfect twins and knowing that they were sired by the mad king whilst his own brood turned out to be a stunted dwarf and his resentment at Tyrion stems from that rather than from Tyrion being born of an affair between his wife and the king. He certainly would have arranged for an accident to happen to Tyrion after Aerys died if he was the result of Aerys and Joanna. But to admit Jamie and Cersei were not his would only further disgrace his honor.

Here’s where I first started thinking this:

From AFFC, Jamie 5

“She(Genna Lannister) smiled. “How could I not love him, after that? That is not to say that I approved of all he did, or much enjoyed the company of the man that he became . . . but every little girl needs a big brother to protect her. Tywin was big even when he was little.” She gave a sigh. “Who will protect us now?”

Jaime kissed her cheek. “He left a son.”

“Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most, in truth.”

That was a queer remark. “Why should you fear?”

“Jaime,” she said, tugging on his ear, “sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna’s breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there’s some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak . . . but Tyrion is Tywin’s son, not you. I said so once to your father’s face, and he would not speak to me for half a year.”

And from ADWD, Daenerys 7

“When she and Twyin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the…the liberties your father took during the bedding.”

Is this too crazy of a theory?

I do not think that Jaime + Cersei are Aerys' kids any more than the Tyrion theory. Genna making that comment that 'Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you' merely means that the son who is most like his father is Tyrion. Doesn't mean the twins aren't Tywin's also.

Plus, if Aerys was their father and had some idea that he could be, do you think he would have kept it secret, being Mad King Aerys? Would he have cared re: Lord Tywin's wroth? (he wasn't lax in raising it other times). And, if you are still going with this theory, Tywin is not sterile (Tyrion being his son), so unless Joanna went off with Aerys and had sex with only him for the period around the twins' conception (which she didn't), and Tywin didn't come near her (which he did), then where would the guarantee be on who sired them?

Dario has a gold tooth, really that's about enough said on this. Basically she is hooking up with the Essos equivalent to the rapper Lil Jon.

:D

I kind of think the HUGE TWIST THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING would be for Dany to get the axe at the end of this one. I like reading about her, but killing her off would be ballsy and awesome.

I realize this is highly unlikely, but still... I've just been waiting for a really shocking death and this would be the ultimate.

Yep I agree!

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So why if Illyrio and Varys knew and protected Aegon, they did not mention it to Viserys or Dany? Doesn't Aegon's survival dwarf the importance of Dany and Viserys? It doesn't make sense. Hopefully it is explained better in the book or future books.

And I still think that the way Tyrion "figured" out that Young Griff was Aegon was kind of weak. It really did remind me of Scooby Doo when they just randomly pull the mask off someone and say, "It was old man Withers all along!" I want to love this but I just don't.

I agree with you on the first part, but disagree on the second. It is starting to feel like perhaps Martin is getting tired of Dany too and thus created an Aegon out of the blue and somehow had Varys know about it all along. Time will tell on this one.

As for Tyrion figuring it out, well no one in this universe would be more likely to figure it out than him. Tyrion is by far the most astute character in the story; is a son of Tywin, thus knows what he is capable of; definitely understands Varys and what he is capable of; would have some idea of who Connington was, being as well read as he is; and of course all the other clues such as his training, his education, his physical appearance, his mannerisms, and of course his hair color would all go a long way in helping Tyrion clue it out. Add with that the fact that he is on board a ship with nothing else to do but observe the others. Not Scooby doo att all in my opinion, unlike all the crazy switcharoos abound.

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I've seriously started to hate the Dragonslut throughout this chapter and her last one.

Seriously? Daario? I can't name a single good quality about him. That's like running off with a wife-beater wearing, nascar loving, rebel flag toting, pit stained piece of stereotypical trailer trash.

Slut because she takes a lover when she is single (and breaks off the affair when she gets married)? That's a bit sexist... I understand disliking Daario (who is not my favourite character either), but I don't really like to see women called sluts because they sleep with someone without being married.

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It's pretty slutty to sleep with a man like Daario - she really is just thinking with what she has between her legs, when she does this, despite of knowing what kind of man he is, and suspecting him of being even worse.

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It's pretty slutty to sleep with a man like Daario - she really is just thinking with what she has between her legs, when she does this, despite of knowing what kind of man he is, and suspecting him of being even worse.

So, a woman who likes sex (and she is the age when people are generally ruled by hormones) is a slut? And, if Daario had been a nicer person, would it have been OK? I thought we were in the 21st century, but probably was wrong :rolleyes:.... Personally, I find Cersei much worse, because she sleeps with men she cares nothing about (and does not even desire) in order to manipulate them, as she did with Lancel first and then with the Kettleblacks (who, in my opinion, are no better than Daario, even if they are knights of the Kingsguard).

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One of the weakest chapter, with the only really interesting part being Barristan's info on Dany's parents.

The rest of the chapter can be summed up thus: porn and scorn.

Reznak's comment about Dany having a glow makes me wonder if she is pregnant:

"Reznak mo Reznak bowed and beamed. “Magnificence, every day you grow more beautiful. I think the prospect of your wedding has given you a glow. Oh, my shining queen"

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OK, I am liking the J+A = J&C theory better then the J+A = T theory. It is given strength by Cersai's behavior, her love for wildfire, the twincest, the Tywin-Arys dynamic, and the Tywin-Tyrion dynamic.

As for Dany herself, I think she is reacting under stress. When too many things are pounding on you many times, the reaction to such stress is resignation to one's fate. But that does not mean I like her. She has lost sight of her goal (the Iron Throne), and of the importance of her dragons in achieving it. She has also started to forget the prophetic advice that the Quartheen gave her, as we witness in this chapter, which increases my sense of foreboding for Dany.

Also, about the 'perfumed seneschal' part of it, I don't see how the ship will reach Meereen given that it is ruined, and a slaver ship is on its way to claim its survivors. But if it does, then Tyrion is going to be very bad for Dany since she has been warned against the Lion and the Perfumed Seneschal in the same prophecy, and Tyrion is part of both!

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The whole Daario romance thing makes a lot more sense if you just imagine Captain Jack Sparrow as Daario.

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The whole Daario romance thing makes a lot more sense if you just imagine Captain Jack Sparrow as Daario.

Spanky, that's exactly what I did from the moment he was first described! Just a bit of blue dye added :pirate:

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I hope I'm not reaching on this one, but I think I noticed someone special in the scene when Daario was introducing the new Westerosi Storm Crows.

Could this possibly be Brienne of Tarth!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, it one of the Quenthyn chapters earlier was mentioned that Pretty Meris has 20 years of experience as a mercenaries, so she's much older than Brienne.

I am on a re-listen of the book since I was trying so hard to get through it and listened over 12 hours a days for several days that I missed this description, I don't think it is the maid of Tarth but we never hear anything about Brienne's mother, who she is, where she is. As I was listening today in the windblown chapter I was wondering if maybe, just maybe the lady of Tarth had left her little girl to the evenstar and sailed off to the free cities.

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I love all the theories being proposed in this chapter! My favorites at Missendai = Child of the Forest and A+J=J&C, both of which could easily be true.

Tyrion and Jorah need to hurry up and get to Meereen.

If I were Dany, I would have been getting all the info from Barristan that he knows and not this little bit here and there crap she is doing. Selmy knows an awful lot and Dany would be smart to listen to him so she knows the true history rather than Viserys' twisted tales.

I really hope Dany pulls through this. Things are looking more and more grim, but I am rooting for her. I really want her to have success in getting Mereen situated before she leaves. It is doubtful that will happen, though.

My biggest gripe with Dany is that she essentially abandoned her dragons. I can understand why she is lingering in Mereen and support her in that decision, but the fact that she locked up those dragons and has not been spending significant time with them each day to keep them tame is just bad, very bad.

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I agree - not even a word about the dragons in the past few chapters is bad news for Dany. She is the mother, and has essentially abandoned them - perhaps another Targ can care for them....

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I am on a re-listen of the book since I was trying so hard to get through it and listened over 12 hours a days for several days that I missed this description, I don't think it is the maid of Tarth but we never hear anything about Brienne's mother, who she is, where she is. As I was listening today in the windblown chapter I was wondering if maybe, just maybe the lady of Tarth had left her little girl to the evenstar and sailed off to the free cities.

doesn't make sense why there would be a connection between the two. I'm sure Brienne, being highborn, did not have a warrior/sellsword mother.

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I'm struggling my way through all Dany's chapters if I'm totally honest. I have liked her in the past and found her story interesting up until this point. It is like she's dissolved into an immature and arrogant little girl rather than evolving in to an adept ruler she was promising to be in the previous novels, but perhaps that is the point? The romantic in me feels a little sorry for her about Daario, the beginning of this chapter made me feel a little ache for her, he clearly has the upper-hand in the relationship and is going to betray her. I can't warm to him either, one minute I think okay he's real and the next I think it my thoughts are dashed by some cliche, smarmy chat-up line or egotistical remark. We all like a bad-boy but really? Daario is reads a little try-hard by Martin and I can't sympathize with Dany at all.

Another thing, if Aery's did do anything to joanna, it was on their wedding night according to Barristan. Tyrion is the youngest Lannister and therefore the last to be conceived, so I doubt he is a Targ and would be miffed if he was. I think like others have said, it was the first seed that made Tywin resent his king.

This is the feeling I get from Dany to. And I didn't expect her to just jump at Quentyn when he arrived, but I thought there would be something a little more...interesting at least. I was completely let down by how little interest she had in the entire meeting and in him.

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Also, where the hell is Varys while all this is going on? Could he really be someone else right now? Reznak Mo Reznak for instance?

Whoa! Good question! Where (or rather who) is Varys right now??? Curious...

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The dragonslut? Wow.

Dany's made some pretty god awful decisions and is behaving immaturely, no disputing you there.

However, she's only had sex with TWO people EVER. Drogo (her husband -- which started out as rape anyway) and then Daario. How the fuck does this earn one the label of a slut. It's understandable that you don't like her in this book, which is fine, but calling her a slut is blatantly sexist and unjustified. What about other male characters who have behaved abhorrently and actually HAVE gotten around (ie: Tyrion, Theon, Robert). Yet you don't go around calling them sluts. Please keep your sexism in check.

Thank you. If no one else said it I was going to. Having sex does not denigrate a woman's character. What is this 1880? Remember - if we didn't like sex you guys wouldn't get any. It's kind of in your best interest.

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I’ll add my pet theory that I've had since AFFC…everyone seems to think that Tyrion is the lovechild of Aerys and Joanna, however, I think it is Jamie and Cersei. I think this hammered at Tywin’s pride…seeing his perfect twins and knowing that they were sired by the mad king whilst his own brood turned out to be a stunted dwarf and his resentment at Tyrion stems from that rather than from Tyrion being born of an affair between his wife and the king. He certainly would have arranged for an accident to happen to Tyrion after Aerys died if he was the result of Aerys and Joanna. But to admit Jamie and Cersei were not his would only further disgrace his honor.

Here’s where I first started thinking this:

From AFFC, Jamie 5

“She(Genna Lannister) smiled. “How could I not love him, after that? That is not to say that I approved of all he did, or much enjoyed the company of the man that he became . . . but every little girl needs a big brother to protect her. Tywin was big even when he was little.” She gave a sigh. “Who will protect us now?”

Jaime kissed her cheek. “He left a son.”

“Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most, in truth.”

That was a queer remark. “Why should you fear?”

“Jaime,” she said, tugging on his ear, “sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna’s breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there’s some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak . . . but Tyrion is Tywin’s son, not you. I said so once to your father’s face, and he would not speak to me for half a year.”

And from ADWD, Daenerys 7

“When she and Twyin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the…the liberties your father took during the bedding.”

Is this too crazy of a theory?

Why are people questioning the paternal side of the Lannister offspring? I have read the textual evidence some people have provided, and I see how they may interpret that the way they are, but to me personally, it just seem like these passages are being read into way to much.

As far as Selmy saying that Aerys may have done something to Joanna during the bedding ritual, how could he have got Joanna with child without anyone seeing? These bedding rituals are usually accompanied by many people. I don't know. I just don't see why there is reason to doubt that Tywin is the father of Cersei/Jamie and Tyrion.

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I'm not buying the Aerys+Johanna= Tyrion or Cersei and Jaime.

Ok Cersei turns mad, Joff could easily stand as Aerys Grandson and Jaime and his sister share Targ's love for incest, but it would be too much, every character can't be the hidden son of another, we already had enough of that.

I totally agree with swordswench about this part :

turning down an army she wouldn't even have to transport to Westeros BECAUSE IT'S IN WESTEROS ALREADY???

Maybe because it's too late to flee from Mereen, even with a few people and 2 dragons ? Or she doesn't really care about Westeros ?

it seems she' accepting the fact she can't make things go the way she wants (pit fights, healing and feeding every one behind the walls, etc...), so I think she wouldn't be so worried now to let Hizdahr rule Mereen, make peace with Yunkaii, sell him her insullied and restore pit fights, slavery, and anything he wants. What does she care, now she has understood she will never be this people's queen, and the pact gives her the army she was looking for these last months ?

She really need good advice right now, as I doubt this wedding will fix things up magically...

I like the idea Varys is around, disguised.

I wonder what Daario is gonna do now, planning for a treason, after having her by every hole :devil: ? would it really be a treason, as he is just a sellsword, so everyone expect this, even Dany ?

Is it wrong to guess Barristan alluded to himself when telling Dany of her mother's love interest?

This mysterious knight, lover of Dany's mother, makes me wonder : do we know why Benjen Stark joined the wall ?

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