Ricara Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Who theon killed thinking it was Bran?Why didnt he recognized that it was not Bran heads?Am i suposse to know the answers after the final of ACoK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 He knows the heads are not Bran's and Rickon's. I think the reveal of what happened may not have occurred until the 3rd book, so I won't spoil it for you. That being said, if you go back and read the last part of the chapter where Theon is hunting the runaway Starks and Reeds, you should be able to puzzle it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilliandrew Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Who theon killed thinking it was Bran?Why didnt he recognized that it was not Bran heads?Am i suposse to know the answers after the final of ACoK?Eh, by the end of ACoK you should understand what happened there, i think.Basically, it was another act of desperation by Theon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yecart2301 Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I did not pick up on this at all. Maester Lewin didn't even know until he saw them when he was dying and realised that the boy who was supposed to be Bran had muscular legs. It never occurred to me that Theon knew it wasn't them, but of course, it makes sense now that it has been brought to my attention! I'm about a third way through SoS and still dont know what has happened to Theon and Winterfell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundara Hai Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I did not pick up on this at all. Maester Lewin didn't even know until he saw them when he was dying and realised that the boy who was supposed to be Bran had muscular legs. It never occurred to me that Theon knew it wasn't them, but of course, it makes sense now that it has been brought to my attention! I'm about a third way through SoS and still dont know what has happened to Theon and Winterfell.....You won't know the full story until ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urien the Ragged Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 in his mind, theon couldn't return without bran and rickon, "better to be thought cruel than a fool," was his mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7V3N Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I am on SoS, but I don't understand what Reek/Ramsay shows Theon. It was a pin with a wolf's head if I remember correctly, but why does that make Theon say he knows where Bran and Rickon are?I understand he wanted to make the people think he caught and killed them, but what was the point of what "Reek" showed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrogant Bastard Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I am on SoS, but I don't understand what Reek/Ramsay shows Theon. It was a pin with a wolf's head if I remember correctly, but why does that make Theon say he knows where Bran and Rickon are?I understand he wanted to make the people think he caught and killed them, but what was the point of what "Reek" showed him?I believe the purpose of the pin was so that it could be placed on the dead, flayed corpses of the miller boys so that they would appear to be Bran and Rickon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7V3N Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I believe the purpose of the pin was so that it could be placed on the dead, flayed corpses of the miller boys so that they would appear to be Bran and Rickon.Oh that makes sense! Thanks a lot. That's been bugging me for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudiaCupcake Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Oh that makes sense! Thanks a lot. That's been bugging me for a while.I agree with that. Also, if you go back to Theon's capter, the one when he wakes up from the nightmares, at the very end of it on the last paragraph he says "The millers boys had been of an age with Bran and Rickon...." if you keep on reading you will find the answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I believe the purpose of the pin was so that it could be placed on the dead, flayed corpses of the miller boys so that they would appear to be Bran and Rickon.Thank you. Even after knowing what they did, I've still been trying to figure that out and now that it's pointed out, it's so simple. I was looking for a deeper meaning behind the pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky316 Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 My thought on my reading was that the pin suggested Rickon had been out playing by the river and dropped something accidentally which triggered in his mind that they were hiding at the nearest "safe house" in this case the mill. The murdering and mutilation of the Miller Boys was as much frustration of being wrong as just claiming the bodies were so. Thus why he worked so hard to make sure that there's no obvious way of identifying the bodies afterwards. If it was just saying "yeah here's the dead princes" he could've just chopped their heads off "as traitors to my rule" and stuck a pin on Stark coloured clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurthnar Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I agree with that. Also, if you go back to Theon's capter, the one when he wakes up from the nightmares, at the very end of it on the last paragraph he says "The millers boys had been of an age with Bran and Rickon...." if you keep on reading you will find the answer!Yes, from the Theon's chapter, it should be pretty clear, that he never found the Stark boys, so he sent his hunting party to Winterfell, then slew the miller's boys, and declared them to be Bran and Rickon. As far as I know, noone noticed, except for maester Luwyn. He noticed immediately, but kept the secret to himself, as it was obviously the safer thing to do, not only for him, but for boys also.Also, I noticed one thing about Theon. Whilst in the book GoT he seemed to me as a very friendly, and loyal character, in the HBO show, I actually hated him. Treacherous smiles, manipulative talk, and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard Walder Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Yes, from the Theon's chapter, it should be pretty clear, that he never found the Stark boys, so he sent his hunting party to Winterfell, then slew the miller's boys, and declared them to be Bran and Rickon. As far as I know, noone noticed, except for maester Luwyn. He noticed immediately, but kept the secret to himself, as it was obviously the safer thing to do, not only for him, but for boys also.Also, I noticed one thing about Theon. Whilst in the book GoT he seemed to me as a very friendly, and loyal character, in the HBO show, I actually hated him. Treacherous smiles, manipulative talk, and such. The first thing you see Theon Greyjoy do in the book is kick Gared's head after he was executed. I didn't get the most friendly first impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurthnar Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 The first thing you see Theon Greyjoy do in the book is kick Gared's head after he was executed. I didn't get the most friendly first impression.To be honest, I did not remember that :-) Anyway I could definitely sense som kind of badness coming from him in the show. As if HBO was setting up his character for things to come.I first watched the show, everything was new to me, so I was a little confused - did not perfectly realise who is who and the relations.Then I read GoT. And then I re-watched the show, and was like "Wtf is with Theon? He sounds like some kind of traitor guy." That was BEFORE I read CoK :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Barristan Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I'm actually surprised so many people thought bran and rickon were dead... GRRM may kill of a lot of characters, but he wouldn't kill two main characters off screenAlso, at the end of the 2nd to last Theon chapter he pretty spells it out for you that the people of winterfell are stupid and fell for his lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flixx Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 have not gotten this far yet in Clash of Kings but I really am starting to Hate Theon and all the Ironborn...just got through the chapter where Theon meets his Sister Asha...what an ugly ugly people they are...send them all to the Drowned God imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbleit Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 have not gotten this far yet in Clash of Kings but I really am starting to Hate Theon and all the Ironborn...just got through the chapter where Theon meets his Sister Asha...what an ugly ugly people they are...send them all to the Drowned God imoI spent most of ACOK hating Theon too. Haven't got as far as to what happens to him afterwards yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leo Targaryen Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm actually surprised so many people thought bran and rickon were dead... GRRM may kill of a lot of characters, but he wouldn't kill two main characters off screen Also, at the end of the 2nd to last Theon chapter he pretty spells it out for you that the people of winterfell are stupid and fell for his lie Yeah, I also hadn't gotten it at first... had to go back and read the chapter after the hunting again! But as you said, he pretty much spells it out! I guess I was too angry! hehehe"The miller's boys had been of an age with Bran and Rickon, alike in size and coloring, and once Reek had flayed the skin from their faces and dipped their heads in tar, it was easy to see familiar features in those misshapen lumps of rotting flesh. People were such fools. If we'd said they were rams' heads, they would have seen horns." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie Manderly Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I didn't understand the meaning of the wolf head brooch but re reading it says Ramsay brought it along in a sack of stuff he brought along from winterfell. O ramsay your cunning <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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